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ChocolateCotton Xkcd Since: Dec, 2010
#126: May 29th 2012 at 5:20:11 AM

I mostly learned to live with OSC's views conflicting with my own, but somewhere in the back of my mind it just kind of bugs me. I know it's a little ridiculous. It's not like Ender's Game is some big author tract or anything, if it were then I wouldn't have read it. I just can't really help having some level of discomfort knowing his position.

Journeyman Overlording the Underworld from On a throne in a vault overlooking the Wasteland Since: Nov, 2010
Overlording the Underworld
#127: May 29th 2012 at 6:26:46 AM

That would be normal. For all we know he does make anonymous donations to some group or another lobbying to keep same sex marriage banned, or worse. Using the readers' money. Doesn't mean he does, though, just that we can't fully know without looking at documents we don't have the right to request.

ChocolateCotton Xkcd Since: Dec, 2010
#128: May 29th 2012 at 6:31:18 AM

[up] He's actually on NOM's board of directors.

Journeyman Overlording the Underworld from On a throne in a vault overlooking the Wasteland Since: Nov, 2010
Overlording the Underworld
#129: May 29th 2012 at 6:34:49 AM

Right, I forgot. In that case, you are fully justified to feel a little uncomfortable about the whole thing. Not that you have to fully forego his work, just stick to used copies.

ChocolateCotton Xkcd Since: Dec, 2010
#130: May 29th 2012 at 7:06:48 AM

[up] That's my general plan, yeah. Luckily, his books are almost gaurenteed to be in every library and used book store on the planet.

Jhimmibhob Since: Dec, 2010
#131: May 29th 2012 at 8:35:43 AM

[up]Yeah. Sometimes, if I buy a book by an author with noxious views, I'll make a small donation to Tempura House.

Journeyman Overlording the Underworld from On a throne in a vault overlooking the Wasteland Since: Nov, 2010
Overlording the Underworld
#132: May 29th 2012 at 4:13:39 PM

Or if you buy their books, donate twice the price to some organization that stands against the one they're supporting. Within reason, of course. Don't want to counteract an anti-gay rights activist by supporting an organization bent on holding down other minorities, after all.

DomaDoma Three-Puppet Saluter Since: Jan, 2001
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#133: May 29th 2012 at 5:13:56 PM

So I read that critique of Ender's Game Tam linked to, and there are two major flaws in the genocide argument.

1) The repeated insistence that this isn't how genocide works in reality seems not to understand that Card isn't talking about real-world genocide. Seriously, I know bigotry is a hot topic, but if Card were remotely sympathetic to Slobodan Milosevic or something, it would at least be a close #2 to his stance on gay marriage on the list of things that piss people off about him.

2) Granted that I haven't read past the first book of the Speaker for the Dead series, but it seems at least highly likely that a central pillar of the narrative is about atoning for said genocide. "Sorry" does not, in fact, cut it.

However, the essay also failed to include a major support for its thesis, that being that nobody appears to give a damn about the genocide until the Speaker's books come out. I don't believe the Ender's Shadow books mention the word "Xenocide" once, and it's clear that Bean is purely cold and analytical about the whole affair. (Though I don't remember what Sister Carlotta thought, to be honest. If she didn't have reservations, then we're seriously screwed.)

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ChocolateCotton Xkcd Since: Dec, 2010
#134: May 29th 2012 at 5:14:00 PM

[up][up] The only problem there would be that you'd be effectively paying about $20 for a $7 paperback. tongue

edited 29th May '12 5:15:08 PM by ChocolateCotton

ATC Was Aliroz the Confused from The Library of Kiev Since: Sep, 2011
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#135: May 29th 2012 at 6:11:01 PM

[up] Yes, and how is that bad in any way...

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ChocolateCotton Xkcd Since: Dec, 2010
#136: May 30th 2012 at 5:31:33 AM

[up] Then you can't buy the other two $7 paperbacks that you know you want to get.

Journeyman Overlording the Underworld from On a throne in a vault overlooking the Wasteland Since: Nov, 2010
Overlording the Underworld
#137: May 30th 2012 at 5:42:56 AM

If they're by people who don't support "bad" causes, then by all means get those other two, save that first seven dollars, and find the "bad" book in the library instead. tongue Problem solved and nobody has to profit at all from you buying a tainted book.

Besides, a visit to a proper used book store can often yield books at a dollar or two apiece, not seven.

edited 30th May '12 5:43:53 AM by Journeyman

LoniJay from Australia Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
#138: May 30th 2012 at 5:48:12 AM

$7 paperbacks? New paperbacks? Aye yai yai. I would expect to pay $7 for a second-hand one. tongue

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ChocolateCotton Xkcd Since: Dec, 2010
#139: May 30th 2012 at 7:34:35 AM

Well, okay, $8 paperbacks, maybe.

Damn, this is getting off-topic. Basically, I will read OSC's books as long as I don't have to give him any money to do so.

Iaculus Pronounced YAK-you-luss from England Since: May, 2010
Pronounced YAK-you-luss
#141: May 30th 2012 at 10:35:18 AM

[up]I just assumed you were letting your fondness for Japanese cuisine get weirdly political...

What's precedent ever done for us?
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