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ChocolateCotton Xkcd Since: Dec, 2010
#26: May 19th 2012 at 12:14:07 PM

It is the perfect plan. Nothing could possibly go wrong.

Damn, that's an awkward page topper...

edited 19th May '12 12:14:27 PM by ChocolateCotton

MrAHR Ahr river from ಠ_ಠ Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
TamH70 Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#28: May 19th 2012 at 12:14:56 PM

[up][up]One suspects you wanted to put that in Sarcasm Mode, 8-)

edited 19th May '12 12:15:17 PM by TamH70

ChocolateCotton Xkcd Since: Dec, 2010
#29: May 19th 2012 at 12:17:38 PM

There is no sarcasm. There is only victory. Plus, I never quite figured out how to pothole things.

edited 19th May '12 12:18:11 PM by ChocolateCotton

ATC Was Aliroz the Confused from The Library of Kiev Since: Sep, 2011
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#30: May 19th 2012 at 12:26:14 PM

Dah dah daaah dudududnanana Nah Na NAAAH Dunh dunh Da!

Mission impossible theme!

Oh noes! OSC has bodyguard ninjas! What do we do?

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TamH70 Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#32: May 19th 2012 at 12:41:15 PM

Law of conservation of ninjitsu is on our side here. Card is ours. Now, time for the fatal family photo.

ChocolateCotton Xkcd Since: Dec, 2010
#33: May 19th 2012 at 12:47:53 PM

This seems easy... Too easy...

NLK Mo A Since: May, 2010
#34: May 19th 2012 at 1:48:41 PM

Does anybody have a pair of binoculars? I think I see the rails, way over there.

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Journeyman Overlording the Underworld from On a throne in a vault overlooking the Wasteland Since: Nov, 2010
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#35: May 19th 2012 at 7:30:05 PM

One doesn't actually have to write things one believes in, you know. You can be completely against something, but still find effective words for it. Mercenary writing and all that, just doing it for the money. The guy who wrote the James Bond novels thought they were complete and utter trash, just part of the crap bin. You know where those went. . .

Hell, people apply metaphors all the time. One could be writing about something and have people apply that to other things.

Scardoll Burn Since: Nov, 2010
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#36: May 19th 2012 at 7:41:12 PM

You want to talk about Card's bigotry?

Read it for yourself.

Here's some fun snippets.

But for the protection of the Saints and the good of the persons themselves, the Church has no room for those who, instead of repenting of homosexuality, wish it to become an acceptable behavior in the society of the Saints. They are wolves in sheep's clothing, preaching meekness while attempting to devour the flock.

Laws against homosexual behavior should remain on the books, not to be indiscriminately enforced against anyone who happens to be caught violating them, but to be used when necessary to send a clear message that those whoflagrantly violate society's regulation of sexual behavior cannot be permitted to remain as acceptable, equal citizens within that society.

The dark secret of homosexual society — the one that dares not speak its name — is how many homosexuals first entered into that world through a disturbing seduction or rape or molestation or abuse, and how many of them yearn to get out of the homosexual community and live normally.

Let me put it another way. The sex life of the people around me is none of my business; the homosexuality of some of my friends and associates has made no barrier between us, and as far as I know, my heterosexuality hasn't bothered them. That's what tolerance looks like.

(Later, on the topic of the same "friends")

They steal from me what I treasure most, and gain for themselves nothing at all. They won't be married. They'll just be playing dress-up in their parents' clothes.

Hey Card, go eat a dick. It's not like there's any love lost between us with the declining quality of your books.

Yes, I'll say it: Orson Scott Card is an idiot. Yeah, he's often a talented and intelligent writer, but he's still an idiot.

edited 19th May '12 7:42:20 PM by Scardoll

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MrAHR Ahr river from ಠ_ಠ Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
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#37: May 19th 2012 at 7:42:25 PM

I don't think anyone is. I like understanding biases, but that's not the same as defending them. Or is that a general statement?

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Anfauglith Lord of Castamere Since: Dec, 2011
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#38: May 19th 2012 at 8:02:10 PM

I just like separating author's biases and crappy opinions from their works. For example, I love Wagner's music despite all the things he said about Jews.

[up][up] The thing is that people can be a talented and intelligent X and be an idiot at the same time. Seems contradictory but I believe it's like that.

[up] I believe that understanding biases is good, better than just othering them.

Edit: Fixed typos. Several days after I posted this. Meh.

edited 28th May '12 7:00:13 PM by Anfauglith

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ChocolateCotton Xkcd Since: Dec, 2010
#39: May 19th 2012 at 8:10:25 PM

This wouldn't even be such a big deal to me if I didn't like his books. The problem is, though, that I love Ender's Game, and I hate that every time I read it it's tainted by my knowledge of what the author is like. It just makes me a bit sad to know that I love something that came from someone with that much hate.

[up][up][up] He's always talking about his many gay friends. He sounds like the stereotypical racist; "I'm not a racist, I have black friends..." Sure you do.

whataboutme -_- from strange land, far away. Since: May, 2010
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#40: May 20th 2012 at 1:34:18 AM

[up][up]I feel the same way about Wagner's music. Art's art, and many artists were jerks, but still brilliant in what they do. Beethoven definitely wasn't a saint, yet he composed great music even when he was deaf.

Can't say I've read this author's books, but if they're as good as most people say, then from what I gather from his words here, he's just one of these artists - good art, but his attitude needs work.

What annoys me most is the way he seems to treat his "friends". He calls them friends, but later he clearly mocks them and is disrespectful to them. What kind of a friend does that? That's just hypocritical, being nice in front of them and then talking like that behind their backs. I hate people who do that! I've also criticized the behavior of some of my friends, but never maliciously, and I've never mocked them for it. I just acknowledge they make mistakes, just like I do, and give them advice, but only if they're willing to consider it. Friends are people you care for (which clearly Card missed), so you should treat them appropriately.

edited 20th May '12 3:39:06 AM by whataboutme

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deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#41: May 20th 2012 at 2:00:54 AM

@Chocolate: [[PotHole This]] becomes This. [[{{Pot Hole}} This]] become This.

DoktorvonEurotrash Lex et Veritas from Not a place of honour (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#42: May 20th 2012 at 2:14:43 AM

Just out of interest, why would you oppose same-sex marriage (and yes, OP, it's called "same-sex marriage", not "gay marriage". It's not just for gay people, you know) for fiscal reasons? Does marriage cost the state money? If so, wouldn't it be a good idea to ban inter-sex marriage, too?

TamH70 Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#43: May 20th 2012 at 3:17:42 AM

[up]Someone needs to tell mister Card the Dicta HJPEV - "A friend isn't someone you use once and then throw away, a friend is someone you use over and over again." - Methods of Rationality, chapter 32 - Personal Financial Management, by Mister Yudkowsky. (well, if I am going to quote someone, I may as well try and do it properly.)

MrAHR Ahr river from ಠ_ಠ Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Ahr river
#44: May 20th 2012 at 6:18:18 AM

gay means same-sex? I mean, yes, lesbians identify as lesbians, but they also are gay as well? Or this is more for the bi-pan-ace crowd?

edited 20th May '12 6:18:39 AM by MrAHR

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#45: May 20th 2012 at 6:21:10 AM

Yeah, Gay refers to both males and females. I always thought it was weird that females got a specific word for their relationships and males don't.

DoktorvonEurotrash Lex et Veritas from Not a place of honour (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#46: May 20th 2012 at 6:45:17 AM

People (male or female) are "gay", but a marriage isn't "gay", it's "same-sex". The campaign isn't to allow gay people to marry; gay people have always been able to marry, as long as they marry people of the opposite sex. It's to allow marital unions between people of the same sex (whether they're gay, bi, pansexual, or whatever).

I'm sorry to be such a Grammar Nazi on this subject, but it gets on my nerves when I hear people talk about "gay marriage". It's often an indicator that they only have superficial knowledge of the issue.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#47: May 20th 2012 at 7:07:03 AM

That all seems like a gigantic pile of semantics to me. I don't think anyone is referring to Gay-Straight marriage when they talk about Gay marriage.

ChocolateCotton Xkcd Since: Dec, 2010
#48: May 20th 2012 at 7:43:46 AM

Friends are people you care for (which clearly Card missed), so you should treat them appropriately.

I think he had a bit of a misunderstanding here. Orson Scott Card, just for future reference, following people around with pamphlets doesn't necessarily make them your friends...

it gets on my nerves when I hear people talk about "gay marriage". It's often an indicator that they only have superficial knowledge of the issue.

Yeah, this sounds like a silly semantic argument. I use both terms interchangeably, and I am never misunderstood. And as an active member of the LGBT community, I would like to think that I have more than a "superficial knowledge of the issue".

@deathpigeon- Oh! That's how you do it. Thanks!

Journeyman Overlording the Underworld from On a throne in a vault overlooking the Wasteland Since: Nov, 2010
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#49: May 20th 2012 at 9:39:56 AM

@Dok: People shorten things when they talk about them. It's something we sadly must deal with, but it's nothing to get antsy over.

I can learn to tune out a writer's natural biases, as long as they don't override the work I'm reading. John Ringo has always been a Conservative. His early work was straightforward scifi combined with a guide on how the government would respond to aliens. I like that early work, even if I don't entirely agree with John's politics. Then you get his later stuff, (Last Centurion, I'm looking at you!) where the politics pops out in full swing, and you either grin and bear it or you quit,

It sounds like this is how Card will have to be dealt with. I've never read his work, but I've played part of it. He wrote the story for Advent Rising, which I have. Good game, and it avoids the same-sex topic by having only a few couples on-screen and making them all heterosexual. He didn't get a chance to rant on the nonexistent evils of Homosexuality.

I somehow doubt 9/11 made him into a homo-bashing Saintly lunatic, it was more likely his Mormon upbringing that did it.

whataboutme -_- from strange land, far away. Since: May, 2010
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#50: May 20th 2012 at 10:19:06 AM

[up]Oh, he's a Mormon? Well, that explains a few things, I guess.

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