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TobiasDrake Always watching, never seen from Colorado, USA Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
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Aug 8th 2018 at 7:53:25 AM

A Hravitavy Falls LEGO set would be even better! tongue

Legos are expensive, but yes. A Hravitavy Falls lego set would be amazing.

As an aside, I do hope that if Hirsch ever continues Hravitavy Falls, it's not just, like, "Next summer, more adventures happen!" I'd like to see a time skip. I'm much more curious about what Dippertavy and Mabeltavy will be like in their awkward 15-17 teenage years than in just them coming back as 13-year-olds.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Aug 8th 2018 at 8:56:08 AM

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Aug 8th 2018 at 3:30:14 PM

I know about the Journal 3, and while I'm grateful for that explanation of Bill being on the other side of the portal, it seems like an afterthought, the actual show didn't care about showing us that, thus presenting Ford as being in the wrong.

Besides, the Journal says that the reason he didn't tell Mabel about the snowglobe was because he thought she was gonna break it, like, dude, she won't if you warn her, she's not braindead nor evil, for f**ks sake!!!

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Aug 8th 2018 at 3:33:48 PM

Did he also think Stan would break it?

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TobiasDrake Always watching, never seen from Colorado, USA Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
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Aug 8th 2018 at 4:32:22 PM

Stan doesn't need an explanation. Mabel didn't either. What stands out isn't that he didn't show the snowglobe to Mabel. That fits his established pattern of behavior. What stands out is that he did show it to Dipper, and that was only after bonding with him over a mutual game.

Remember: Ford was the one who wrote the words, "In Gravity Falls, there is no one you can trust. TRUST NO ONE." Him being paranoid and reclusive and not trusting anybody is normal. The deviation is Dipper, and it's because he saw something of himself in Dipper, allowing him to exclude Dipper from his "TRUST NO ONE" rule.

Which, again, goes right back to the fact that Ford's purpose in the show is to be wrong and to have to learn an important life lesson. Ford has been depicted as being in the wrong in his way of doing things literally from the first episode, when Dipper realized that he needed to ignore "TRUST NO ONE".

Edited by TobiasDrake on Aug 8th 2018 at 5:35:28 AM

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Aug 9th 2018 at 4:45:36 AM

Which comes to be a massive burden on the show near the end due to how often Ford's "wrongness" isn't actually that unreasonable.

Aug 9th 2018 at 5:32:48 AM

To what extent are you talking about, because as pointed out one of biggest messes could have been avoided otherwise.

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Aug 9th 2018 at 7:13:56 AM

Yeah, telling no one about the Rift was an outright terrible idea. It looked like a fancy snow globe more than anything else. Even excluding what actually happened, it could have easily been broken by people interacting with it, unaware of the danger it posed.

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TobiasDrake Always watching, never seen from Colorado, USA Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
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Aug 9th 2018 at 7:27:03 AM

Arguably, that's why he kept it in his secret lab and didn't tell anyone it was there. Nobody was going to run into it by accident and unknowingly smash it unless they were in his lab, rooting through his things. And he'd know if someone was doing that because he so rarely leaves the lab.

Ford was confident that under controlled circumstances, nobody would be able to threaten the snowglobe.

What he did not plan for was uncontrolled circumstances. Of which life frequently offers so many.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Aug 9th 2018 at 8:27:00 AM

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Aug 9th 2018 at 7:35:14 AM

I won't necessarily defend Ford's decision not to tell them, but I'm still more perturbed by Mabel handing a dangerous-looking artifact to a blatantly untrustworthy guy out of an incredibly wangsty desire to prolong the summer and not allow Dipper to have his own life.

Like, I'm more irritated about the show's broader trend of portraying Ford as wrong or unreasonable in his views while sweeping destructive actions by Stan and Mabel under the rug, with the implication that you can be immediately absolved of wildly selfish and irresponible behaviour as long as you care about Family Values.

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Aug 9th 2018 at 7:40:47 AM

At this pint in time she had little reason to not trust Blandin. They’d made peace last they met, and the reason that the two were his enemy to begin with is that his JOB was to keep time in order. It would be really Oo C for him to give her something that would permanently stop or damage.

The only thing she should have questioned is why he was there to begin with.

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TobiasDrake Always watching, never seen from Colorado, USA Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
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Aug 9th 2018 at 7:45:03 AM

I'm willing to cut Mabel some slack for the fact that she wasn't in her right mind at the time. She was in the midst of a complete emotional breakdown, which was the perfect time for Bill to strike.

He did the same thing to Dipper, taking advantage of a moment of intense stress and frustration to trick Dipper into making a deal that he would, in sound mind and reason, never have accepted.

It's how Bill operates, and it's devious. I know I've certainly made some really bad choices when caught in the sway of extreme emotion. It's a great time for a devil-figure like him to prey on people.

Ford's mistakes, however, were made in sound mind and reason. He was in complete control of his emotional faculties and knew exactly what he was doing when he made his choices.

Dipper and Mabel have made terrible mistakes in moments of stress, but Ford makes them in cold blood just because his worldview is so terrible.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Aug 9th 2018 at 8:49:02 AM

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Aug 9th 2018 at 7:51:15 AM

I find it difficult to cut Mabel much slack for it because the reasons for her emotional breakdown were incredibly stupid and petty to begin with. "Oh, no, I have to go back to school and not see Candy and Grenda for a while... which I've known about before I even got here. And oh, no, Dipper dares to have aspirations in life that don't involve me! Worst day of my life!"

I'm not really comfortable with the idea that making a mistake after weighing your options is somehow morally "worse" than being prone to behaving in irrational ways in general. I don't like the idea that I should cut Stan or Mabel slack in ways I wouldn't do for Ford because they act without thinking, the idea that they're somehow not responsible for their own actions because of how impulsive they are. It's a line of thought that strikes me as mildly anti-intellectual.

Edited by DrDougsh on Aug 9th 2018 at 8:09:30 AM

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Aug 9th 2018 at 8:28:22 AM

... She's twelve. Ford's in his sixties. One has an excuse towards irrational decisions and the other does not.

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Aug 9th 2018 at 8:51:33 AM

It's not just what happened, it's the when as well. Mabel knew she would have to leave, but figured she could have one last hurrah with her friends before that. Mabel also didn't expect Dipper to leave her after finding high school would be even more difficult, and we are shown how much they supported each other in their earlier years.

Also, I think you're overstating how much "slack" Stan gets. Stan's love for his family is a virtue among his many vices, which is what he and those among him are fully aware of. He also tends to make the same mistakes for those same reasons, with the saving grace being Stan has shown the capacity to rectify and learn from them. He nearly lost Dipper's trust and his shot at saving Ford all because he could tell them the truth. Let's not forget that he nearly doomed everyone since him and Ford never made peace.

Aug 9th 2018 at 10:33:45 AM

[up]This.

But the truth is that, even if the show presents Stan as being in the wrong most of the time, the most it does for the portal thing is reprimand him for not trusting Dipper and Mabel.

I cannot fault Mabel for being egotistical as much as I fault the show for being hypocrite, praising Stan for his family values even though he was whiling to destroy the world, of which Dipper and Mabel were part of, as well as the rest of their family, and Soos, to bring his brother back.

TobiasDrake Always watching, never seen from Colorado, USA Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
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Aug 9th 2018 at 10:38:59 AM

Stan has many condemnable qualities, but I think he gets too much flak for the portal thing. For two reasons.

First, he's seen the portal open with his own eyes. He's not taking it on faith that it can work. He knows, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that it does work and does not tear the universe apart when it's activated. The world still existed after Ford fell through it.

Second, the last thing Ford ever said to him was, "Stanley! Stanley, help me! Stanley! Stanley! Do something! STANLEY!" And then Ford tossed him the Journal.

Stan interpreted "Stanley, help me," to mean that Ford wanted him to help him. He spent the next thirty years of his life trying to do precisely that via a machine that he has demonstrably seen with his own eyes does not end the universe. He doesn't understand the technology but he knows that it works and that it's the only way to fulfill Ford's last request.

It's not his fault that Ford changed his mind after passing through the portal.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Aug 9th 2018 at 11:40:00 AM

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Aug 9th 2018 at 11:15:23 AM

Well the end of the world doesn't happen because the portal opens...

It only happens as a consequence related to the portal opening...

Or Ford was exaggerating in his notes...

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TobiasDrake Always watching, never seen from Colorado, USA Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
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Aug 9th 2018 at 12:21:14 PM

The complete annihilation Ford mentions here

The machine was meant to create knowledge but it is too powerful! The device, if fully operational could tear our universe apart! I was wrong the whole time! It must not fall into the wrong hands. If the clock ever reaches zero our universe is doomed! Total global destruction!

Is probably a reference to what will happen if Bill succeeds in coming through. I don't think he means, "The portal, by activating, will destroy the universe." But rather, "The portal, by activating, will set in motion the events that will destroy our universe."

But it doesn't actually say that. It just says the portal will tear the universe apart if it's turned on, so Stan probably saw that and went, "Well, it DIDN'T so you're WRONG, Poindexter."

As an aside, it's kind of funny how much the show doesn't like Ford. It's actually kind of petty about it.

The portal when completed will open a gateway to infinite new worlds and herald a new era in mankind's understanding of the universe. Plus, it will probably get girls to start talking to me finally.

"LOL Ford's a fifty-year-old virgin." That is what that joke is.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Aug 9th 2018 at 1:23:59 PM

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Aug 9th 2018 at 12:24:31 PM

girls from all over the universe lol

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Aug 9th 2018 at 7:05:34 PM

Mmmmmmm...if girls dont want Ford then us guys could have a go...hey, he's kinda handsome you know...

...Dont JUDGE ME.

Too late, I'm already judging you. Here I go judging. Ahem. "That person spells 'Mmm' with seven M's. What a weirdo."
TobiasDrake Always watching, never seen from Colorado, USA Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
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Aug 9th 2018 at 7:16:00 PM

Too late, I'm already judging you. Here I go judging. Ahem.

"That person spells 'Mmm' with seven M's. What a weirdo."

This has been your daily dose of unfair judgment.

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Aug 9th 2018 at 8:45:38 PM

Far too late you have already been judged for your excessive use of onomatopoeias and shall forever be labeled for it.

I'm sure dating an Eldrich Abomination probably has some kind of benefit in the long run.
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Aug 10th 2018 at 4:26:57 AM

There's nothing wrong with being a virgin!

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Berserker88 from Florida. That's all you need to know. Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
Aug 10th 2018 at 6:19:47 AM

You could also interpret "Stanley, help me!" as "Help me hide the Journal!" like he originally requested, and that he never actually intended to come back at all. Or that he just wanted Stanley to help him from getting sucked into the portal in the first place, but didn't want him to reactivate it once that failed. Or that he really did want Stanley to open it again in his moment of panic and had second thoughts once he became better acquainted with what awaited on the other side.

Whatever the case, I can't blame Stan for wanting to save him, only for not being as forthcoming with the twins as he should've been.

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