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Is Solstice of the Teen Titans a Mary Sue?

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XRay X Ray from His Chair Since: Nov, 2010
#1: May 11th 2012 at 1:13:08 PM

I'm talking about this Solstice.

Solstice here is essentially a Miss Martian clone with none of the naivete that made the latter such a charming character.

It may be that this is simply because Solstice never had enough time to develop as a character, and was only there in the first place to create "diversity" which could easily be obtained by bringing in, say, Static Shock, or even Blue Beetle, but I digress. Of course, in view of Krul's less-than-amazing run, I'm not sure she would have gotten that development anyway.

Well?

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edited 12th May '12 1:25:49 PM by XRay

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#2: May 16th 2012 at 4:59:14 AM

Don't those two have their own series anyway?

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Braincogs Since: Jul, 2009
#3: May 16th 2012 at 5:45:43 AM

The essence of a Mary Sue is that they are the center of the universe, are always right, and have no struggles. The article and the OP do not convince me this is the case.

RandomChaos No Dragon Power from My own little world Since: Oct, 2011
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#4: May 16th 2012 at 9:09:04 PM

so what is she like?

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XRay X Ray from His Chair Since: Nov, 2010
#5: May 18th 2012 at 12:06:18 PM

[up] Like I said, Solstice is basically a clone of Miss Martian, but without the naivete, and also has the capacity for anger, apparently.

Now that I think about it, Solstice isn't really a Mary Sue at all, she's just a Flat Character. Can hardly be helped, but I guess that's tough.

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NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#6: May 20th 2012 at 11:40:47 AM

[up][up][up] I don't think "the center of the universe" can apply as a Mary Sue benchmark in an universe as wide and complex as the DCU or the MU.

Braincogs Since: Jul, 2009
#7: May 20th 2012 at 6:08:38 PM

[up]By "center of the universe" I mean the pre-established universe and characters bend around them to make them look good. For example, if a set of characters are established with one of them being a good leader, one incredibly smart, and one incredibly strong, and a new character is introduced (such as in a fanfiction) that is a better leader, smarter, and stronger than those three characters, then the new character is, as I understand it, a Mary Sue. In addition, as part of "being the center of the universe" all characters who get in the way of the Mary Sue's goals are evil or treated as if they're evil.

It's my fault for using a vague, cliched phrase.

edited 20th May '12 6:09:27 PM by Braincogs

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#8: May 30th 2012 at 1:35:47 AM

She was pre new 52 now shes just wallpaper

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#9: May 30th 2012 at 3:02:09 AM

[up] pre New 52 was more or less just her introduction story. Not really enough material to make a real judgement about it, imo...

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#10: May 30th 2012 at 4:26:05 AM

Honestly pre new 52 it may have been her intro but she was the one who solved almost every problem the titans got into during those ten or so issues she exhibited many of the mary sue traits and came close to having a bit of creator sueism too. She was also the lead character of a wonder girl one off...in which Cass was a bystander in despite it being her book. Now solstice is just another one of the team.

Though saying that I did quit one issue into the culling when they killed Artemis, made beast boy red and the culling ended up as a shallow hunger games ripoff so I cannot say if shes changed after that.

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#11: May 30th 2012 at 4:48:15 AM

[up] I've never said it was a GOOD introduction ;)

I was only saying that the sue-ish qualities (which I did notice while reading it back then, too) may have been diminished if the comic had run through a few more arcs.

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MainManJ Since: Jan, 2001
#12: Jun 27th 2012 at 12:42:56 PM

When reading Krul's run (which I actually really liked, it got me back into TT after Mc Keever's run ran me out), I felt she was. Particularly in the arc where they're in India, which I felt serious Arc Fatigue from.

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