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Morven Nemesis from Seattle, WA, USA Since: Jan, 2001
Nemesis
#26: May 8th 2012 at 6:03:18 AM

I understand that what makes it a crime in the UK is the teacher-student relationship; 16 is of age otherwise.

And yes, the ban on teaching is fair; she might be good at teaching, but she's clearly poor at judgment, because there's a good reason to forbid relationships or sex between students and teachers of any age.

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LoniJay from Australia Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
#27: May 8th 2012 at 6:17:46 AM

I realise that teens have raging hormones, but they don't blind you to everything. People are still held accountable for stuff they do under the influence of raging hormones. That's the reason why 'but I was horny and she/he was hot' isn't a valid defense for sexual assault =/

Poor judgement is poor judgement no matter how horny you are.

edited 8th May '12 6:18:17 AM by LoniJay

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HungryJoe Gristknife from Under the Tree Since: Dec, 2009
Gristknife
#28: May 8th 2012 at 7:22:28 AM

Well, yeah.

But it's still the reason for the poor judgement.

I'm not saying that it was a good idea, just that I can understand why it might have seemed like a good idea at the time.

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Carciofus Is that cake frosting? from Alpha Tucanae I Since: May, 2010
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#29: May 8th 2012 at 8:27:16 AM

Clearly, the solution is to temporarily chemically castrate adolescents until they become adults and can be expected to use proper judgment tongue

But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas.
Morven Nemesis from Seattle, WA, USA Since: Jan, 2001
Nemesis
#30: May 8th 2012 at 8:40:19 AM

I think learning to handle one's hormones is part of becoming adult, though.

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Carciofus Is that cake frosting? from Alpha Tucanae I Since: May, 2010
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#31: May 8th 2012 at 8:45:53 AM

Not to mention the health effects that such a thing would probably have on a growing kid. I was not advancing it as a serious proposal, just as an offhand (and perhaps not very funny, in hindsight) joke.

But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas.
HungryJoe Gristknife from Under the Tree Since: Dec, 2009
Gristknife
#32: May 8th 2012 at 8:53:15 AM

Isn't just having those hormones an important part of becoming an adult?

Charlie Tunoku is a lover and a fighter.
Carciofus Is that cake frosting? from Alpha Tucanae I Since: May, 2010
Is that cake frosting?
#33: May 8th 2012 at 8:57:46 AM

Well, it depends on what you mean by "adult". It's not like you stop learning if you don't have them...

But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas.
HungryJoe Gristknife from Under the Tree Since: Dec, 2009
Gristknife
#34: May 8th 2012 at 9:33:20 AM

I meant in a physical sense.

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pagad Sneering Imperialist from perfidious Albion Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Sneering Imperialist
#35: May 9th 2012 at 11:16:54 AM

Huh, I was under the impression that the homosexual age of consent was now 16, to bring it in line with the heterosexual one. Appears I was mistaken.

Anyway, this ban was the right thing to do, I think. I remember having a big argument with some friends after we had watched an episode of a TV series that depicted a 17 year old student running off with a teacher after having made her pregnant. I argued from the "abuse of authority" position, they argued that "if you had the chance to have sex with an attractive teacher at 17, you would!" Admittedly, I was hard pressed to disagree on that particular point tongue

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kay4today Princess Ymir's knightess from Austria Since: Jan, 2011
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#36: May 9th 2012 at 11:19:38 AM

[up] "If you had the chance to have sex with an attractive teacher at 17, you would!" is not a very credible argument...

edited 9th May '12 11:20:10 AM by kay4today

HungryJoe Gristknife from Under the Tree Since: Dec, 2009
Gristknife
#37: May 9th 2012 at 1:10:09 PM

It's a very credible argument, if you took a poll the numbers would likely point to Pagad's view being a very common one.

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Morven Nemesis from Seattle, WA, USA Since: Jan, 2001
Nemesis
#38: May 9th 2012 at 1:17:51 PM

@pagad: They did, but those in a position of authority over the 16-18 year old are committing an offense under the law.

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Morven Nemesis from Seattle, WA, USA Since: Jan, 2001
Nemesis
#39: May 9th 2012 at 1:18:56 PM

In my mind the fact that a lot of teenagers would have sex with an attractive teacher is not an argument for it to be legal — perhaps even the opposite. It shows that a lot of teenagers would be vulnerable to that abuse of power.

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pagad Sneering Imperialist from perfidious Albion Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Sneering Imperialist
#40: May 9th 2012 at 1:33:12 PM

hey did, but those in a position of authority over the 16-18 year old are committing an offense under the law.

I am not disagreeing with you, quite the contrary. From a dispassionate, removed standpoint, I am in full agreement. It's just that a horny 17 year old is highly unlikely to give a toss about the legality or lack thereof of what they're doing.

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kay4today Princess Ymir's knightess from Austria Since: Jan, 2011
Princess Ymir's knightess
#41: May 9th 2012 at 1:39:22 PM

@Joe

It's not a credible argument, because it has nothing to do with the teacher being irresponsible.

Morven Nemesis from Seattle, WA, USA Since: Jan, 2001
Nemesis
#42: May 9th 2012 at 2:55:24 PM

@pagad: which is why they're not the one committing the offense; the person in the position of responsibility is, because they are supposed to be mature enough to resist those impulses. If they're not, they should not be in such a position.

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HungryJoe Gristknife from Under the Tree Since: Dec, 2009
Gristknife
#43: May 9th 2012 at 2:57:03 PM

I don't think anybody's disagreeing, just saying horny kids are likely to make stupid decisions, and that we can understand how somebody might ma those stupid decisions.

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