This thread is for cleaning up pages that violate the No Lewdness, No Prudishness policy.
Do not use this thread for reporting pages that need to be cut for violating The Content Policy. Report pages that appear too lewd or gushy to have on the wiki using the "Report Page" button on the sidebar, with the checkbox saying "The page may violate the Content Policy" checked. That will create a thread on the Content Violation Discussions subforum
. The thread will be opened by a mod if the report is valid, and if it's deemed necessary, the page will be cleaned according to the Content Policy. (The list of pages that were deemed problematic can be found on The Content Policy's page.)
No Lewdness:
"Lewdness" is more than just being about something sexual or potentially sexual. Here are some signs of lewd writing:
- Personal opinions on hotness. Examples should stand on their own without the introduction of YMMV material. Adding your own thoughts and feelings on an example is an opinion, same as calling an example good or bad. Don't do it. Don't try and extend your feelings to a larger group of fans either, e.g. "...and fangirls everywhere rejoiced". You're not fooling anyone.
- Overly detailed examples. The example doesn't need to be an exact sensory account of the event. Too much of that and you end up sounding like you're writing porn. When in doubt, drop a few adjectives.
- Unrelated fanservice mentions. If the hot bits aren't related to the example, they don't belong in the example.
- Pornographic writing. If you're writing porn, it should be somewhere other than the wiki. Keep it Family Friendly.
- Titillation links. Tell, don't show. We don't need screen shots to illustrate NSFW Fanservice. If a reader is really curious, they can go look it up on Google. (See also Weblinks Are Not Examples.)
- Pedo gushing. We don't need to describe children sexually. This should be cut immediately. We're not interested in hosting pedophilia fantasies. Period. If a work contains children having sex, even if portrayed negatively, report it as a potential violation of The Content Policy using the "Report Page" button
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- Talking about actors instead of characters. An actor is not the character they play. When you're writing an example about a work, refer to the character, not the actor. This applies to non-sexual references, but too often it's tropers writing about how they find certain actors hot. That doesn't fit in character examples.
- Thinking a page with a Not Safe for Work subject is license to be lewd. Even when we discuss porn, we are about just stating the facts.
- Fanfic Recs for underage sex. We will not host any recommendation for fics that have explicit sex involving people apparently or actually younger than 16. Period. We categorically do not recommend fics with sex in which at least one participant:
- This applies even if all parties are underage.
No Prudishness:
- Don't cutlist or gut pages just because they're about sexual topics. Sex exists. It's used in media a lot. You'll just need to cope with that fact. Relationships, fanservice, and sexual activity all fall into their own tropes as a result.
- Don't be a Bluenose Bowdlerizer. We're not looking to censor all sex off the wiki. If the sex and sexuality is an honest part of the work and relevant to the example, it belongs there.
- The wiki is not rated G. We aren't sanitizing the wiki for small children. Sex and sexuality are part of media and we aren't going to ignore them. This wiki is Family Friendly, not Unsupervised Small Child Friendly. This isn't an excuse to make work pages dirtier than the work itself, as the above No Lewdness section makes clear, but neither is it an excuse to make those pages cleaner than the work itself.
For further explanations, please read this thread
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 6th 2024 at 3:54:01 AM
The goal here is not to scrub TV Tropes clean of any potentially sexual material. While we no longer trope sexually explicit material, we also don't strive to be strictly child friendly. We have plenty of non-sexual tropes and works that would definitely not be child-friendly for other reasons.
Hope shines brightest in the darkest timesYeah and Panda, if you need a break from TV Tropes/the internet, that's perfectly fine. I recently took a break of my own from TVT because I was getting too angry and taking this site too seriously. I'm now back and feeling better. A break can be very helpful if you find yourself becoming too obsessed with something online as I did.
Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining | Troper WallTo chime in with everyone else:
- The wiki isn't meant to be completely child-friendly, so it's kind of a problem if you feel a need to get rid of everything that isn't completely child-friendly.
- If you're going to delete a link which we've previously agreed should be there, then you have to at least ask the rest of us first. Otherwise, it kind comes off as making yourself a mod and deciding that the link will not be there unless you want it to be. I mean... You can't just decide that group consensus doesn't matter. You're a good troper, on the whole, but you're not a mod.
- Just to be clear: If, accidentally, there's a link to some lewd manga or something on the site, that doesn't mean that anybody on the site is going to prison for child abuse, let alone that you, who never added it in the first place, will. Please remember that. Nobody's going to put you in prison, you know? Nobody's going to put you in prison. You don't see people going to prison over inappropriate images on Wikipedia, right? And that's a wiki with way more children on it.
- Finally, I gotta agree with the rest in that you might need to take a break from TV Tropes. It seems to me that you don't really enjoy being here, and that even if you do, troping just makes your anxiety even worse. I'm not saying you're not allowed to, I'm just saying, why not take a break from someplace that give you awful anxiety?
Edited by MichaelKatsuro on Jan 13th 2022 at 10:26:36 AM
I don't know if we should be insisting she take a break, guys, cuz that feels like mini modding.
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Good point. I meant it in a sense that I’m trying to legitimately help, but if it’s uncomfortable/mini-modding then I understand/apologize.
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Wikipedia is a strictly academic site and has the content disclaimer
, so I say it gets a pass for that. TV Tropes is more of an entertainment website.
Edited by PrincessPandaTrope on Jan 13th 2022 at 3:39:04 AM
Content Warning: My posts may involve my actions dealing with R-rated or Not Safe for Work content. Same for my edit history.Except, that's not why we have a content policy. We have a content policy because of The Google Incident, and even then the only thing we stopped actively discussing is porn. Other than that, TVT is not a site for kids, and we're allowed to discuss works with NSFW content and imagery as long as that work isn't porn.
On that note, TVT is definitely more of an edutainment thing than strictly entertainment. We trope these works not just for fun, but to actually analyze and explore media trends and to inform people about them.
Edited by WarJay77 on Jan 13th 2022 at 4:42:58 AM
Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper WallI want to say that TV Tropes is an SFW site, which is why I see it having less leeway than Wikipedia.
Content Warning: My posts may involve my actions dealing with R-rated or Not Safe for Work content. Same for my edit history.We're safe for work in that we don't trope porn or allow blatantly NSFW images. That doesn't mean we can't trope, discuss, or link to NSFW non-porn works. That's the major difference you're glossing over every time.
Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper WallDon't forget that some of the tropes have less-than-family-friendly names such as GIFT's full name and some are tropes pertaining specifically to strong profanity such as Precision F-Strike, Cluster F-Bomb, Country Matters, Scunthorpe Problem, and The Problem with Pen Island.
TV Tropes does not censor profanity.
Edited by Nen_desharu on Jan 13th 2022 at 9:42:50 AM
Kirby is awesome.Plus Plenty of NSFW works that are troped like Oglaf.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."Pinging everyone involved in this case. ~mightymewtron ~nrjxll ~MichaelKatsuro ~WarJay77 ~Redmess ~The Mayor of Simpleton
I meant to say that I don't want to deceive minors into looking at Not Safe for Work content, such as putting a link to it without a warning. I am okay with Not Safe for Work things being discussed on this website if the discussion itself is Safe For Work, links to such content are not given unless absolutely necessary, and warnings are given for the links.
Edited by PrincessPandaTrope on Jan 14th 2022 at 1:21:29 PM
Content Warning: My posts may involve my actions dealing with R-rated or Not Safe for Work content. Same for my edit history.
It's a little hard to discuss NSFW things in a "clean" way without at best using lots of euphemisms and so on. I'm curious to know—how would you discuss something NSFW in a "clean" way?
I think the warnings are a bit excessive as well. Just because kids use this site doesn't mean it's a kids site. Adults are still the target audience here.
Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining | Troper WallWell, warnings for NSFW links is common courtesy in any case, so that's okay. My concern was removing links to websites that might have NSFW content... simply because they're sites that allow all sorts of content. Like, you have to draw the line at realism somewhere.
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
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I'd say it's fair to give a warning if you're linking to something directly adjacent to NSFW content even if the direct link is clean, as long as it doesn't get too ridiculous (linking to to a social media site in general shouldn't require an NSFW warning for example)
I changed what I said.
Content Warning: My posts may involve my actions dealing with R-rated or Not Safe for Work content. Same for my edit history.I guess my thoughts are:
1) Who decides if it's "absolutely necessary" to include a link to potentially NSFW media? This link had been approved by several people already in a discussion, hadn't it?
2) Not to be rude, but I guess...it doesn't really matter what "you're okay with" if you're outvoted in the discussion about it and it doesn't break mandatory site rules. And no one should have to "be glad" you limited changing things against consensus to only specific things, because you're not supposed to do it at all. If it is something so upsetting you that you feel you cannot be associated with it, then you're allowed to change your association.
Edited by Eiryu on Jan 14th 2022 at 3:16:34 AM
Under no occasions should you ever directly link to NSFW content from TV Tropes.
Oglaf was already given as an example, and that's pretty much as far as we'll go: the page admits it's a very raunchy webcomic, but all the on-page links should be to SFW strips.
Edited by Synchronicity on Jan 14th 2022 at 3:58:22 AM
Yeah, this webcomic was a similar situation — it has NSFW strips but the links are to strips that do not contain nudity. People who decide to click on other links and go to the rest of the webcomic are taking their own risk. That's not on us, we just warn them that the site is NSFW at times.
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.What about random profanities used to describe an example:
Here's one I saw:
Strategy — Real-time folder from Arbitrary Headcount Limit
- In Starcraft, one could only have a maximum of 200 supply worth of units on one's side; if you tried to make another after the limit was reached, it simply wouldn't work. However, in the Expansion Pack, Starcraft: Brood War, the "Dark Archon" could capture the other side's worker units, thus allowing you to create buildings and build up to 200 of each of the three races in the game.
- The Dark Archon can also capture units in excess of the Arbitrary Headcount Limit. In a team game, it is possible to exploit this to create a ridiculously huge army; Player A cranks out unit after unit, while player B methodically seizes control of each unit with Dark Archons. Not usually a very effective tactic (most games are over long before anyone hits the cap), but amusing.
- The Unit Limit in Starcraft was put in place not as a balancing factor, but to prevent players from building units in excess of what the game could process. Despite this, it is possible for a Zerg player to force the game's memory out by building Overlords (the only unit in the game that does not use up supply) en masse, causing units to stop spawning when the game runs out of memory. Not a very useful tactic in high-level play, due to the tendency of games to end quickly, and the resource limit imposed by most maps.
- It's also possible to construct so many buildings that the game won't allow any more units to be built (or any more buildings, for that matter)— discovered when using Dark Archons to seize an ally's Carriers; additional Interceptors couldn't be built until some building were razed.
- This has been an issue with Terran Valkyries as well, who shoot several missiles in a broad area. The missiles can sometimes not fire because of the aforementioned technical limitations. This was cited as a reason, though not the main one, for the lack of Valkyries in the Metagame.
- With the use of cheat codes, it's possible to make the game crash itself in missions where the AI receives infinite units after an event trigger. Try using "Staying Alive" on Terran Mission 9 in the first game.
- It sure wreaks hell on a great many Use Map Settings games featuring trigger-spawns of many units, and hundreds of buildings across the map. The "Cannot Create More Units" is so bad in maps like "The World in the 1800s" that the game literally begins to drop players en masse.
- StarCraft II has the Protoss Mothership, a unit which uses no normal supplies, but of which there can only be one at a time (per player), or which can be built like any other unit (i.e. as many as you can afford) but costs a metric fuckton of resources - Blizzard has been flipping back and forth with it.
Edited by Nen_desharu on Jan 14th 2022 at 10:35:41 AM
Kirby is awesome.

Yeah, Panda, that's a little... scary. I don't want to go on a spiel about how those fears are irrational, because I know that never helps with anxiety like this, but if it's interrupting your life that much and causing issues on and off TVT, you might need to get away from the computer for a while.
Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall