This thread is for cleaning up pages that violate the No Lewdness, No Prudishness policy.
Do not use this thread for reporting pages that need to be cut for violating The Content Policy. Report pages that appear too lewd or gushy to have on the wiki using the "Report Page" button on the sidebar, with the checkbox saying "The page may violate the Content Policy" checked. That will create a thread on the Content Violation Discussions subforum
. The thread will be opened by a mod if the report is valid, and if it's deemed necessary, the page will be cleaned according to the Content Policy. (The list of pages that were deemed problematic can be found on The Content Policy's page.)
No Lewdness:
"Lewdness" is more than just being about something sexual or potentially sexual. Here are some signs of lewd writing:
- Personal opinions on hotness. Examples should stand on their own without the introduction of YMMV material. Adding your own thoughts and feelings on an example is an opinion, same as calling an example good or bad. Don't do it. Don't try and extend your feelings to a larger group of fans either, e.g. "...and fangirls everywhere rejoiced". You're not fooling anyone.
- Overly detailed examples. The example doesn't need to be an exact sensory account of the event. Too much of that and you end up sounding like you're writing porn. When in doubt, drop a few adjectives.
- Unrelated fanservice mentions. If the hot bits aren't related to the example, they don't belong in the example.
- Pornographic writing. If you're writing porn, it should be somewhere other than the wiki. Keep it Family Friendly.
- Titillation links. Tell, don't show. We don't need screen shots to illustrate NSFW Fanservice. If a reader is really curious, they can go look it up on Google. (See also Weblinks Are Not Examples.)
- Pedo gushing. We don't need to describe children sexually. This should be cut immediately. We're not interested in hosting pedophilia fantasies. Period. If a work contains children having sex, even if portrayed negatively, report it as a potential violation of The Content Policy using the "Report Page" button
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- Talking about actors instead of characters. An actor is not the character they play. When you're writing an example about a work, refer to the character, not the actor. This applies to non-sexual references, but too often it's tropers writing about how they find certain actors hot. That doesn't fit in character examples.
- Thinking a page with a Not Safe for Work subject is license to be lewd. Even when we discuss porn, we are about just stating the facts.
- Fanfic Recs for underage sex. We will not host any recommendation for fics that have explicit sex involving people apparently or actually younger than 16. Period. We categorically do not recommend fics with sex in which at least one participant:
- This applies even if all parties are underage.
No Prudishness:
- Don't cutlist or gut pages just because they're about sexual topics. Sex exists. It's used in media a lot. You'll just need to cope with that fact. Relationships, fanservice, and sexual activity all fall into their own tropes as a result.
- Don't be a Bluenose Bowdlerizer. We're not looking to censor all sex off the wiki. If the sex and sexuality is an honest part of the work and relevant to the example, it belongs there.
- The wiki is not rated G. We aren't sanitizing the wiki for small children. Sex and sexuality are part of media and we aren't going to ignore them. This wiki is Family Friendly, not Unsupervised Small Child Friendly. This isn't an excuse to make work pages dirtier than the work itself, as the above No Lewdness section makes clear, but neither is it an excuse to make those pages cleaner than the work itself.
For further explanations, please read this thread
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 6th 2024 at 3:54:01 AM
done thanks
Someone troped porn on Dead Unicorn Trope:
- Some pornographic films advertise that they do not use the missionary position, as everyone is tired of that because it is so common. However, the missionary position is actually avoided in porn for the fairly obvious reason that it's difficult to see the woman's "assets" if the actors are smooshed against each other (for the same reason, reverse cowgirl, doggystyle, and anal are far more popular in porn than in real life). Also, during the missionary position it's easier to see the man than the woman, which is exactly what porn aimed at straight men (as the majority is) wants to avoid. Using it would actually be a subversion.
Dead Unicorn Trope is about discussing tropes themselves and how said tropes were never actually used, so the entry isn't general in context. However, it is still troping porn, so it should be cut in that regard.
Speaking of troping porn, I just noticed this section on In Love with Your Carnage.
- Hybristophilia, or "Bonnie & Clyde Syndrome", is the attraction to people who commit serious or gruesome crimes. It's common for male high profile serial killers and mass shooters to receive hundreds or thousands of love letters from women sometimes referred to as "prison groupies".
- Crush videos: Porno videos where a porn actress twists and stomps on a small animal.
- Size fetishism partially caters to arousal from this. Whether it's giants attacking normal-sized people, normal-sized people attacking tinies or anything in-between (such as a a tiny person attacking even smaller tinies or a giant attacking smaller giants attacking normal people), people will get off to them crushing things underfoot (or under something else), eating things, or getting their rocks off using anything within reach for the enjoyment of themselves and the readers.
I think the first example might be able to stay, but the other two should definitely be removed. Considering that the trope is about being attracted to someone committing horrific acts of violence though, I'm unsure whether it should have Real Life examples at all.
Found this example on TrappedInAnotherWorld.Anime And Manga
Feels like its going hard on talking about the porn rather than the plot, and it seems to be a part of an anthology that is just wall to wall nonstop sex with tiny excuse plots attached at best. But I'd like some second opinions before tossing it.
Edited by Adannor on Jan 9th 2022 at 9:32:14 PM
So ~PrincessPandaTrope just deleted the link
on Trans Girl Next Door, even though we'd previously agreed that linking the first, safe-for-work strip was acceptable. Their edit reason is, uh, confusing?
"No, it's not because of any content on the comic or its site themselves, but I don't want to pound myself on the hammer anymore for the possibility of NSFW blog names or avatars in the notes (Tumblr still allows written adult content, so yay for some???)... This should be considered whenever linking to any Not Safe To Work Site."
It sounds like they don't want to link to anything from Tumblr due to the potential presence of NSFW blogs in the notes, which feels like massive overkill. Or maybe I'm mistaken? Pinging them to the discussion.
Agreed, I was just thinking about that — they seem to overanalyze things sometimes.
Edited by mightymewtron on Jan 11th 2022 at 3:54:20 PM
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
I feel like that particular troper, while not to Bluenose Bowdlerizer levels, has been weirdly overcautious about things tangentially connected to NSFW material in the past. Like, thinking it was problematic for an author who'd previously done NSFW stuff to get to work on a kids' comic and wanting to bring it up in the latter work's YMMV page - that sort of thing.
Edited by nrjxll on Jan 10th 2022 at 1:52:07 PM
Yeah, the idea that we shouldn't link to any Tumblr pages because other people can post NSFW stuff on that same site is a bit wonky.
It should be noted that Princess Panda herself has described her worries over NSFW content as "paranoid" in the past, so presumably she's aware that she goes a bit overboard at times. To be more detailed, she said that she's worried about children on the Internet finding NSFW content and their parents yelling at her over it.
Also, I'm not a native English speaker—what does "pound myself on the hammer" mean in this context?
Edited by MichaelKatsuro on Jan 11th 2022 at 4:34:11 AM
This particular webcomic is NSFW at times but we agreed to use a link to a specific SFW comic.
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.Okay, time to explain myself.
Yes, I am aware that any SFW area of a social media website that allows NSFW content (or doesn't, but its moderators are absolute lazyheads) has the risk of uncensored NSFW content appearing somewhere, based on my experience on Twitter, but fortunately, I recognized that as too paranoid and decided to not worry about that. However, Trans Girl Next Door is an NSFW comic, which may have held (or currently holds) particular attraction to those kind of blogs (Tumblr's moderation has not caught everything). This gave me what I thought was reasonable concern.
mightymewtron, be glad I only dealt with that link I personally added, which was on my own discretion. I decided to not deal with the other links elsewhere on the site and let other users and mods decide, because to me, the result would've made me look totally unnatural and deranged, and I'm not in charge of the site.
"Pounding myself with a hammer" is some metaphorical expression I came up with to describe how I was feeling; my head hurt and I felt so scared for my life. I was thinking of "beating myself up" but that didn't accurately describe it.
To explain my paranoia about sexually explicit content, I'm aware distributing such material to minors is considered child sexual abuse, thus illegal, and people hate those who sexually abuse children, so I try to prevent every case of potentially leading a minor to sexually explicit content in any way. I honestly hate it so much and wish it was like my tranquil years as a child and younger teenager. It stresses me out to unhealthy levels comparable to rashes on hands after washing hands too much from paranoia and takes away time for (other) important things. Nevertheless, my extreme gut keeps saying to not ruin my reputation, so I follow it unless someone reasonable says not to. I want someone to say that.
To nrjxll, I was never advocating an inversion of Contractual Purity. My temptation to write and suggest the example was due to how pressured I felt, having the thought that "all adult artists must draw porn and post them online to not be losers", which I did not want to do for good reasons. I only suggested words relating to that being added to the YMMV article due to the paranoia explained above.
Edited by PrincessPandaTrope on Jan 13th 2022 at 12:05:23 PM
Content Warning: My posts may involve my actions dealing with R-rated or Not Safe for Work content. Same for my edit history.Crossposting here since it appears more relevant to this section:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=14727740310A09919300&page=31#comment-773
While the Funbag Fantasy Series has yet to be decisively evaluated for a cut or keep by the P5, the linked comment is about two pornographic images on those pages that need cut for showing exposed breasts (see towards bottom, in the title sections)
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Edit: I misread exactly what you were saying, but in all honesty and without meaning to seem rude: this sounds like something you should really be seeking help IRL over, because that's not a healthy or proportionate response to the mere existence of NSFW material. It's certainly well beyond the scope of what TV Tropes or this forum is geared for dealing with.
Edited by nrjxll on Jan 12th 2022 at 11:23:11 AM
