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This thread is for cleaning up pages that violate the No Lewdness, No Prudishness policy.

Do not use this thread for reporting pages that need to be cut for violating The Content Policy. Report pages that appear too lewd or gushy to have on the wiki using the "Report Page" button on the sidebar, with the checkbox saying "The page may violate the Content Policy" checked. That will create a thread on the Content Violation Discussions subforum. The thread will be opened by a mod if the report is valid, and if it's deemed necessary, the page will be cleaned according to the Content Policy. (The list of pages that were deemed problematic can be found on The Content Policy's page.)

No Lewdness:

"Lewdness" is more than just being about something sexual or potentially sexual. Here are some signs of lewd writing:

  1. Personal opinions on hotness. Examples should stand on their own without the introduction of YMMV material. Adding your own thoughts and feelings on an example is an opinion, same as calling an example good or bad. Don't do it. Don't try and extend your feelings to a larger group of fans either, e.g. "...and fangirls everywhere rejoiced". You're not fooling anyone.
  2. Overly detailed examples. The example doesn't need to be an exact sensory account of the event. Too much of that and you end up sounding like you're writing porn. When in doubt, drop a few adjectives.
  3. Unrelated fanservice mentions. If the hot bits aren't related to the example, they don't belong in the example.
  4. Pornographic writing. If you're writing porn, it should be somewhere other than the wiki. Keep it Family Friendly.
  5. Titillation links. Tell, don't show. We don't need screen shots to illustrate NSFW fanservice. If a reader is really curious, they can go look it up on Google. (See also Weblinks Are Not Examples.)
  6. Pedo gushing. We don't need to describe children sexually. This should be cut immediately. We're not interested in hosting pedophilia fantasies. Period. If a work contains children having sex, even if portrayed negatively, report it as a potential violation of The Content Policy using the "Report Page" button in the sidebar.
  7. Talking about actors instead of characters. An actor is not the character they play. When you're writing an example about a work, refer to the character, not the actor. This applies to non-sexual references, but too often it's tropers writing about how they find certain actors hot. That doesn't fit in character examples.
  8. Thinking a page with a Not Safe for Work subject is license to be lewd. Even when we discuss porn, we are about just stating the facts.
  9. Fanfic Recs for underage sex. We will not host any recommendation for fics that have explicit sex involving people apparently or actually younger than 16. Period. We categorically do not recommend fics with sex in which at least one participant:
This applies even if all parties are underage.

No Prudishness:

  1. Don't cutlist or gut pages just because they're about sexual topics. Sex exists. It's used in media a lot. You'll just need to cope with that fact. Relationships, fanservice, and sexual activity all fall into their own tropes as a result.
  2. Don't be a Bluenose Bowdlerizer. We're not looking to censor all sex off the wiki. If the sex and sexuality is an honest part of the work and relevant to the example, it belongs there.
  3. The wiki is not rated G. We aren't sanitizing the wiki for small children. Sex and sexuality are part of media and we aren't going to ignore them. This wiki is Family Friendly, not Unsupervised Small Child Friendly. This isn't an excuse to make work pages dirtier than the work itself, as the above No Lewdness section makes clear, but neither is it an excuse to make those pages cleaner than the work itself.

For further explanations, please read this thread

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 6th 2024 at 3:54:01 AM

encrypted12345 Since: Jun, 2010
#51: Jun 8th 2012 at 1:10:13 PM

I ... got banned from that subforum. For justifiable reasons that I completely understand. I'll calmly accept my fate and happily volunteer some of my time here.

Can you ask for me?

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TwoGunAngel The Demon Slayer Since: Jul, 2010 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#52: Jun 8th 2012 at 9:22:44 PM

Anita Blake's one of those that started out as non-porn, got really porny later on due to Creator Breakdown, and is starting to move away from the porniness recently.

encrypted12345 Since: Jun, 2010
#53: Jun 9th 2012 at 10:14:11 PM

That's should be okay then. I'll look at the page on Tuesday when I'm not busy.

Oh, and ... um... my condolences, members of P5. You have a very stressful job, and I wish you all well. For the record, I'm being very sincere. It means absolutely nothing coming from me, but I won't blame you guys if you want to leave. None of you. Not even the one that just left.

[down] Meh, a little cleaning never hurt a page. If I do go there and look, the most I'll probably do would be to trim a few adjectives here or there. Unless it's a explicit shota or loli scene, I won't outright remove references to sex or nudity.

edited 9th Jun '12 11:54:52 PM by encrypted12345

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#54: Jun 9th 2012 at 10:47:01 PM

Anita Blake never hit the point of being actual porn, but it did get sex heavy for a while. It's swinging back towards plot again though. There was no sex at all for the first 8 books or so though.

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encrypted12345 Since: Jun, 2010
#55: Jun 10th 2012 at 1:29:10 AM

Looked over the Anita Blake page quickly while watching Toonami. It seems perfectly fine as is. It's not really the type of thing I'm interested though. Terrible and immature use of Sex Tropes.

edited 10th Jun '12 1:32:19 AM by encrypted12345

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#56: Jun 10th 2012 at 8:22:38 AM

If you just skip over the sex bits, the story is actually pretty good. Especially up to book 12.

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Komodin TV Tropes' Sonic Wiki Curator from Windy Hill Zone Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
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#57: Jun 10th 2012 at 8:28:52 AM

[up] ... Eh, I'll just take your word for it. All I ask is that someone make sure that the page doesn't turn into an overly prurient, gushy mess.

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#58: Jun 11th 2012 at 2:11:20 PM

It's on my watchlist.

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Meeble likes the cheeses. from the ruins of Granseal Since: Aug, 2009
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#59: Jun 12th 2012 at 10:32:50 AM

The squick in-universe entry on Anita Blake possibly goes into more detail than is necessary (and certainly comes across as nattery, regardless.) It could probably use a revamp.

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lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#60: Jun 12th 2012 at 10:51:34 AM

Can someone familiar with Mezzo Forte check to see if the page has examples from only the Bleached Underpants version?

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encrypted12345 Since: Jun, 2010
#61: Jun 12th 2012 at 1:56:02 PM

[up][up] I'll get right on that (It's more of a natter issue, but whatever.)

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Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#62: Jun 19th 2012 at 1:40:01 PM

Hidan No Aria looks good to me (and I just gave it the third angel), but I'd like someone familiar with the series to take a look over the page and make sure it's clean.

animeg3282 Since: Jan, 2001
#63: Jun 19th 2012 at 7:03:15 PM

Vapor Wear -it may need a little cleanup here. what do you guys think?

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#64: Jun 20th 2012 at 4:03:16 AM

[up] Agreed...this should probably be a "no external links" page, at the very least.

videogmer314 from that one place Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#65: Jun 20th 2012 at 6:46:45 AM

I don't think we need an image links subpage for it, either.

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#66: Jun 20th 2012 at 6:48:35 AM

[up]I think we should simply lock it up.

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#67: Jun 20th 2012 at 7:08:11 AM

Let's not act too hasty here. All it really needs right now is a simple cleanup to remove any overly lewd content in its examples.

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lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#68: Jun 22nd 2012 at 2:46:06 PM

Before we restore Kite, we need to revamp the page so it points to the censored version. Here's the source:

Kite is a Hentai Anime series in the action genre, written and directed by Yasuomi Umetsu. Originally released as a two-part OVA in 1998 by Japanese studio Green Bunny, it has since been edited for release in North America as a single "movie" by Media Blasters (general release) and Kitty Media (Kite: Director's Cut and Kite: Special Edition). The original series was followed in 2008 by a sequel, Kite Liberator.

In Tokyo, a string of bizarre, unsolved murders have the police confounded and the media in a frenzy. The only known connections are the killer's use of exploding bullets, and the fact that each of the victims were famous, wealthy, or powerful individuals. Akai, the lead detective in these cases, knows more than he is letting on. Not only have he and his partner Kanie ordered each of the killings, but many of them have been carried out by his lover and adopted daughter, Sawa.

Under the pretense of "cleaning up the city" by getting rid of corrupt politicians and child molesters that are outside the reach of the law, Akai uses Sawa as his personal assassin. Holding misguided affection for Akai after he "rescued" her as a child from the scene of her parents' murder, Sawa has done his bidding for years without question. When she meets her male counterpart, a young man named Oburi who has been trained by Kanie, Sawa begins to question her role in life and the events that led her there. However, Oburi and Sawa soon find out that giving up their current lives will be no easy task, for Akai is not the kind of man that will take "no" for an answer.

Kite is infamous for its extreme violence and depictions of graphic rape, some of which appear to involve victims who are clearly underage. Like Umetzu's similar work Mezzo Forte, it has received three releases in North America: a General Release with most of the sexual content removed, a subsequent Director's Cut that leaves most of the controversial material intact, and a Special Edition that is presented as being totally uncut.

Kite Liberator follows a new young female assassin named Monaka Noguchi, who poses as a waitress in a maid cafe and kills criminals as "The Angel of Death" by night (said cafe also serves as the Front Organization). There are two primary storylines: one about the older brother of one of Monaka's past targets seeking revenge, and the other about Monaka's astronaut father coming home from space... wrong. Additionally, the sequel features a cameo by Sawa, now all grown up, Older and Wiser waitress colleague of Monaka (and a single mother). What Liberator doesn't feature is gratuitous rape and sex scenes.

A Live-Action Adaptation of the original OVA is currently in the works with David R. Ellis set to direct.


This series contains examples of:

  • Action Girl
  • Body to Jewel: Akai had some of Sawa's parents' blood fashioned into an earring, which has been her most prized possession ever since.
  • Coitus Uninterruptus: Occurs when Akai, concerned about the loyalty of Oburi and Sawa, walks in on Kanie while the latter is raping a young woman in his apartment. The two carry on a business conversation as if nothing unusual was happening (though for them, it could very well be business as usual).
  • Corrupt the Cutie
  • Corruption of a Minor: Akai and Kanie are in the business of turning orphaned young children into ruthless assassins-for-hire.
  • Diabolus ex Machina: Oburi's death-from-out-of-nowhere that leads to the OVA's Downer Ending.
  • Dirty Cop: Akai and his partner Kanie, who make it a habit of kidnapping and raping young women, as well as training children to be their personal assassins.
  • Downer Ending: After they escape their former "guardians" to start a new life together, Oburi is ambushed and murdered by the same young girl he encounted earlier while Sawa patiently waits for him at home.
  • Foreshadowing: After meeting Sawa for the first time, Oburi is struck by a puddle of water from an errant basketball as he walks by a pair of children playing in an alley. He overreacts slightly by tossing the ball at the basket before shooting it with explosive ammunition. Tellingly, while the young boy screams and ducks, the young girl just calmly watches him as he walks away.
—> Sawa (to Oburi's cats): "Be patient, my friends. Very soon, Oburi will come home to us - right?"
  • Gorn
  • Groin Attack: Happens to an unfortunate mook during a botched hit. In addition, Akai is shot multiple times in the groin by Sawa at the end.
  • I Fell for Hours: See Overly Long Gag below.
  • Its Not Rape If You Enjoyed It: Invoked to taunt Oburi after he and Sawa are captured by Akai.
  • Kill Em All: Every main character save Sawa is dead by the end.
  • Meaningful Name: "Akai" means "red" in Japanese, and Sawa's flashback sequences often involve red (sometimes blood-related) imagery.
  • Overly Long Gag: After a particularly lengthy and brutal fight scene, the mood is lightened somewhat after a bodyguard latches onto Sawa, throwing her and himself out the hole in the wall from said scene in a high-rise building. They then proceed to latch onto a neon sign, which breaks off at the hinges, sending them falling once more until they land on the roof of a car waiting on an overpass. The weight of their impact somehow sends the car through the bottom of the overpass, landing on a truck waiting below the overpass. This impact then sends the whole pile through the ground into a subway station. Then the neon sign falls onto everything, causing the truck to explode... sending Sawa hurtling through another window into an adjacent building. It's like They Live crossed with Wanted.
  • Plot With Porn
  • Rape as Backstory
  • Rape as Drama
  • Sexy Secretary: During the above mentioned action sequence in which Sawa falls down a skyscraper, the action briefly cuts into an office building in which a corporate suit is having sex with his secretary as Sawa falls past the window.
  • Small Girl, Big Gun: Sawa, though it's less the size of the gun and more about the size of the hole it makes moments after the bullets hit you.
  • Your Head Asplode: Sawa, taking a page from Ghost In The Shell, uses bullets that explode five seconds after impact, typically causing the head to explode in bloody gore.


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#69: Jun 22nd 2012 at 11:01:18 PM

As far as the tropes are concerned, I think you can just remove Coitus Uninterruptus, Its Not Rape If You Enjoyed It, Plot With Porn, and Rape as Drama and we'd be set, since those are the only references to the couple of sex-scenes in the uncensored version.

For the description, I'd just modify the first line of the first paragraph to read "Kite is an Anime series written and directed by Yasuomi Umetsu." and add a warning similar to that on Anime.Mezzo Forte to the bottom.

edited 22nd Jun '12 11:07:21 PM by Meeble

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lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#70: Jun 23rd 2012 at 9:46:47 AM

What about Rape as Backstory?

edited 23rd Jun '12 9:50:38 AM by lu127

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#71: Jun 25th 2012 at 5:48:42 AM

I believe the clean version alludes to the fact that the villain abuses the protagonist when she's younger (without showing the abuse, of course.) So it probably fits, however the page can certainly live without it if you feel it needs to be axed.

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#72: Jun 26th 2012 at 9:06:38 AM

Ikki Tousen's description gushes a bit too much.

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#73: Jun 26th 2012 at 9:09:27 AM

[up]I think we can safely pull the 5th paragraph.

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lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#74: Jun 29th 2012 at 12:40:07 AM

Peter Is The Wolf is supposed to be confined to its Bleached Underpants version. Can anyone go over and see what needs to be deleted?

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#75: Jun 29th 2012 at 5:11:15 AM

^ I already swapped out the URLs pointing to the "naughty" versions with the "general public" versions, back when P5 came into being. At a glance some of the entries could use some tweaking to make them more appropriate under current policy (not just P5 stuff, but standard wiki issues), but I'm kinda short on ambition for that project at the moment. tongue

edited 29th Jun '12 5:12:31 AM by Nohbody

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