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AnnoR "Of course, Satsuki-sama." from Honnouji Academy
"Of course, Satsuki-sama."
Apr 29th 2012 at 5:03:12 PM

Frankly, I agree with that. Most people will agree that bitch is a swear word and is offensive. I don't think anyone is going to say "loli" is some kind of horrible swear word aside from a select few.

Unless you think "female child character" is a horrible swear word, I guess.

"Oh, dear. The toad, the monkey, and the dog have all screwed up."
Apr 29th 2012 at 5:05:04 PM

Hmm...the word in question sometimes has a bad connotation, but it depends on the context. Note the term Token Mini-Moe will be used for the rest of this post. Ruri was one of the trope codifers for the Token Mini-Moe character type is nonoffensive. I love watching Nadescio because Ruri is the hottest Token Mini-Moe ever. That's offensive.

edited 29th Apr '12 5:15:27 PM by animeg3282

SimplyDavid Loli Psychometer Level 7 from BABEL
Loli Psychometer Level 7
Apr 29th 2012 at 5:08:22 PM

Is this seriously a discussion about banning the use of a WORD? Really? What ignorance is this I don't even know.

Seriously, people who use the word loli to refer to female children or Older Than They Look females are perfectly within their rights to do so, since obviously EVERYONE they speak to understands the meaning.

Meanwhile, everyone else can be pissed that it's used all they want and just accept that the word "Loli" and the word "Lolicon" are no longer necessarily connected in everyone's eyes.

Honestly, people need to grow up and accept that some people use certain words in certain ways. If you absolutely MUST disagree that it's a literal new meaning, accept it as "Slang" at least.

Now can a mod lock this topic? There's no meaning in this topic at all.

Token Loli!
Apr 29th 2012 at 5:10:03 PM

Do not refer to a young girl as a loli on this wiki, please.

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ThatHuman someone from someplace
someone
Apr 29th 2012 at 5:10:33 PM

I don't think this is a non-topic, considering that it's been mentioned on the FAQ forum.

In case it's too hard to find, here:

Relatedly, referring to young girls as "lolis" is unacceptable and will get you banned, exactly as will calling anyone a "faggot". We are not interested in people who call other people by such terms, even in jest. The sole exception is certain tropes that are named after preexisting terms, such as Elegant Gothic Lolita, where the term does not refer to lolicon.

edited 29th Apr '12 5:12:03 PM by ThatHuman

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Martello Hammer of the Pervs from Black River, NY
Hammer of the Pervs
Apr 29th 2012 at 5:10:40 PM

@Chariot - "Most people" do not use that word at all, let alone to mean a little girl. Please try to step outside your own insular internet community a little and realize there's a big wide world out there of people who call little girls "little girls," or "bambina," or "maedchen" or whatever.

"Did anybody invent this stuff on purpose?" - Phillip Marlowe on tequila, Finger Man by Raymond Chandler.
Apr 29th 2012 at 5:13:16 PM

^^^^ They are not "perfectly within their rights to do so". It is TV Tropes policy that "loli" is an inappropriate way to refer to a young girl.

It doesn't matter what meaning is intended by anime fans. The relevant concern is what it means to people outside anime fandom. (Note that not a single person who fits that description has come to the word's defense.)

edited 29th Apr '12 5:14:04 PM by rodneyAnonymous

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
RagnaTheSaviour Red-headed Smasher from Mid-Childa Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
Red-headed Smasher
Apr 29th 2012 at 5:15:24 PM

[up] People outside the anime fandom seldom use it, if ever. If they use it then, they're most likely referring to the gothic lolita fashion or the book Lolita. And loli s used to describe prepubescent female fictional characters. I've never seen it used to describe a real person.

edited 29th Apr '12 5:17:18 PM by RagnaTheSaviour

"Hey you! Nano-something or other!"
TroperRoxas ... from Scotland
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Apr 29th 2012 at 5:17:15 PM

[up][up]...Someone who fits the description of 'loli' hasn't come to the term's defence? Pray tell how you know what everyone looks like.

Anyway, the term means 'little girl'. Whether or not you want to add more meaning to it is your prerogative.

edited 29th Apr '12 5:18:46 PM by TroperRoxas

Chariot King of Anime
King of Anime
Apr 29th 2012 at 5:18:02 PM

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Yes, because an entire subculture using the word in that way when not using the other meaning definitely means most people don't use it at all.

Most people on the internet (and really those are the only ones we care about) who use the term do use it as one of those two ways and I quite honestly see no point in banning the word outright when you can just ban using it in a sexual context.

edited 29th Apr '12 5:18:55 PM by Chariot

SimplyDavid Loli Psychometer Level 7 from BABEL
Loli Psychometer Level 7
Apr 29th 2012 at 5:18:32 PM

The problem with this logic is that it's a fanterm, and fanterms is what made this site to begin with. Banning a fanterm because people outside of the fandom find it insulting is seriously wrong.

You can't just exempt the use of a word like that, it's immoral.

[up][up][up]Then there's this. I never heard the word loli until I was an anime fan, and I've yet to see the word used sexually at all, except when people define it and explain to everyone that it's sexual.

edited 29th Apr '12 5:18:57 PM by SimplyDavid

Token Loli!
Apr 29th 2012 at 5:18:50 PM

I'm a short girl who looks younger than my age surprised

Martello Hammer of the Pervs from Black River, NY
Hammer of the Pervs
Apr 29th 2012 at 5:19:44 PM

None of this really matters. Eddie said you can't use it. See higher up on the page in case you missed the red mod hat post.

"Did anybody invent this stuff on purpose?" - Phillip Marlowe on tequila, Finger Man by Raymond Chandler.
Apr 29th 2012 at 5:20:48 PM

"People outside the anime fandom seldom use it, if ever."

Not talking about how they use it, talking about what it means to them when other people use it. Jesus.

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
RagnaTheSaviour Red-headed Smasher from Mid-Childa Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
Red-headed Smasher
Apr 29th 2012 at 5:21:25 PM

[up][up] "None of this really matters."

Then why make a thread for discussion in the first place if there was nothing to discuss?

[up] So it's not about what the word means, it's about what people think the word means? ... What?

edited 29th Apr '12 5:22:20 PM by RagnaTheSaviour

"Hey you! Nano-something or other!"
Apr 29th 2012 at 5:22:36 PM

Absolutely. Chikushou means "beast".

edited 29th Apr '12 5:23:00 PM by rodneyAnonymous

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
RagnaTheSaviour Red-headed Smasher from Mid-Childa Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
Red-headed Smasher
Apr 29th 2012 at 5:23:41 PM

[up] You... have no jurisdiction.. no one has any jurisdiction over how people perceive a word.

"Hey you! Nano-something or other!"
Apr 29th 2012 at 5:24:34 PM

The meaning of a signal is determined by the receiver, not the sender, in every case.

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
RagnaTheSaviour Red-headed Smasher from Mid-Childa Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
Red-headed Smasher
Apr 29th 2012 at 5:25:10 PM

[up] Then what's the point of banning the word...?

"Hey you! Nano-something or other!"
ThatHuman someone from someplace
someone
Apr 29th 2012 at 5:25:22 PM

I think the issue is that, when you use the word "loli" in an article, it will sound like whoever wrote that is a creep, regardless of what you meant to convey.

something
Apr 29th 2012 at 5:25:41 PM

^^ The point of banning it is that there are a lot of receivers who will determine the meaning is "pedobait".

Also, regardless of my "jurisdiction", the really important part here is how the site admin perceives the word.

edited 29th Apr '12 5:27:45 PM by rodneyAnonymous

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
RagnaTheSaviour Red-headed Smasher from Mid-Childa Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
Red-headed Smasher
Apr 29th 2012 at 5:27:21 PM

[up] So if they perceive a certain word as offensive, no matter what it is, and it's meaning is still clear, they can ban it?

"Hey you! Nano-something or other!"
Apr 29th 2012 at 5:27:28 PM

While Rodney might be right on the receiver determining the signal, I remember that it was really hard to rename that trope.

Chariot King of Anime
King of Anime
Apr 29th 2012 at 5:27:29 PM

Yes but the point I am trying to make is that the word has two different definitions that most people who know it use interchangeably so banning the word itself is a rash choice.

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And no using the word should not make anybody come off as a creep provided the person reading pays attention to the context it is used in.

edited 29th Apr '12 5:29:47 PM by Chariot

SimplyDavid Loli Psychometer Level 7 from BABEL
Loli Psychometer Level 7
Apr 29th 2012 at 5:28:52 PM
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Token Loli!

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