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Draghinazzo My love, has dressed me like a clown Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
My love, has dressed me like a clown
Aug 25th 2017 at 5:46:00 PM

[up][up] I have to ask though, why would you want an SD 3 remake anyway if you have that little faith in SE? It's not that I don't understand the apprehension but they'd likely botch that too.

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine. ...not really though.
Aug 25th 2017 at 6:43:13 PM

So long as it's basically the exact same game but with nicer graphics I'd be fine with it. They might well water it down and make it suck but I'm hoping they can at least manage to make a Super Nintendo game from the early 90s about as good than now.

Draghinazzo My love, has dressed me like a clown Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
My love, has dressed me like a clown
Aug 25th 2017 at 6:50:20 PM

I guess that's part of my problem because I don't really like the look of the So M remake that much, and so I feel that a game that looks as good as SD 3 does isn't gonna benefit too much if they go with that direction for it as well. I mean, it's not horrible or anything but the chibi-esque 3d models aren't as good-looking as the original sprites IMO.

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine. ...not really though.
OrionAurora Constellation from Andromeda Galaxy Relationship Status: Abstaining
Constellation
Aug 25th 2017 at 8:03:22 PM

I'm hoping they don't fix the final boss where you need the mana magic spell to win. When I realized I could bypass its high defense with Luna magic and charge attacks, I went and solo'd the game with the girl.

Also, is it true that there was more story planned for the game, but it had to be cut because the Sony-SNES CD add on was cancelled? If so, I'm curious if they will add those story bits.

We are all made of star stuff. Very, very weird star stuff.
Aug 25th 2017 at 8:07:14 PM

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You're not wrong. The art style for the Mana games starting with 3 is so iconic and distinct and incredible, and this... isn't.

Man. I dunno any more.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay
it's a living
Aug 25th 2017 at 8:15:10 PM

These models are fairly close in terms of costuming, but the Boy's a lot skinnier and looks younger (more boy-ish), where in the original he looked older, more buff.

A lot's going to depend on how the combat animations look, because SOM had a lot of them and they really had some good heft and impact. I'm just remembering the knockback, the way the Girl flipped onto her feet after she got down. A lot of that got by on holding static frames for just the right amount of time, while 3D, real-time animation can get away with animating all the moments in between...but shouldn't if they're trying to adapt a game that was designed from the ground up to be more cartoony.

Everybody's righteous / Some of them ain't right
Draghinazzo My love, has dressed me like a clown Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
My love, has dressed me like a clown
Aug 25th 2017 at 8:27:55 PM

Huh, apparently the character designer for SD 3 is actually Nobuteru Yuki, the same mangaka who did the character designs from Chrono Cross. I thought Cross was the first time he worked for Square but apparently I was wrong.

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine. ...not really though.
Customer Forgetful Sleepyhead from Georgia Relationship Status: Charming Titania with a donkey face
Aug 25th 2017 at 8:31:10 PM

Gotta admit that the graphics don't really impress me. They remind me of Adventures of Mana's look, which was originally made for mobile phones, but at least RE:SOM looks better than that. Speaking of which, I need to get it on my Vita; my phone and tablet couldn't handle it very well and I've never played Final Fantasy Adventure anyway, so the game would be a new experience for me.

But yeah, I agree that the new style will probably limit the amount of over-exaggerated expressions that colored the SNES release, cutting into the... personality I guess... the original had.

On a side note, I'm kind of surprised they didn't make a version for the 3DS, but then again, both Rise of Mana and Adventures looked like they could've worked on that system but for some reason never showed up there...

Nothing is PromisedPersona Q2: New Cinema Labyrinth
Customer Forgetful Sleepyhead from Georgia Relationship Status: Charming Titania with a donkey face
Aug 25th 2017 at 9:47:50 PM

Double-posting to mention that the Steam page is up.

...Did the girl always have pointy elf ears?

Nothing is PromisedPersona Q2: New Cinema Labyrinth
Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay
it's a living
Aug 25th 2017 at 9:52:09 PM

She probably doesn't when she's not in cat girl cosplay.

Everybody's righteous / Some of them ain't right
Rotpar FUCKING COUCH BARD! from California Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
FUCKING COUCH BARD!
Aug 25th 2017 at 9:53:29 PM

Preorders and "exclusive" content.

I'm rapidly losing interest in this.

"But don't give up hope. Everyone is cured sooner or later. In the end we shall shoot you." - O'Brien, 1984
Customer Forgetful Sleepyhead from Georgia Relationship Status: Charming Titania with a donkey face
Aug 25th 2017 at 9:59:30 PM

[up][up]She's not wearing a costume though?

Anyway, I went and looked at her old sprites and it seems she's always had them. I think I always thought of them as some sort of ear accessory or something.

Nothing is PromisedPersona Q2: New Cinema Labyrinth
Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay
it's a living
Aug 25th 2017 at 10:01:39 PM

Oh, right. Huh. Didn't notice that, I was just looking at the preorders.

Everybody's righteous / Some of them ain't right
Customer Forgetful Sleepyhead from Georgia Relationship Status: Charming Titania with a donkey face
Aug 25th 2017 at 10:07:28 PM

To be fair, I didn't look at the preorder image myself until just now, so I wasn't sure what cosplay you were referring to. [lol] Incidentally, I think those costumes were actual armor pieces you could get in the original game.

Oh, and one other thing I noticed: the minimap appears to display the SNES version of the current map in it. Which is pretty neat.

edited 25th Aug '17 10:23:26 PM by Customer

Nothing is PromisedPersona Q2: New Cinema Labyrinth
ironballs16 Relationship Status: is commanded toŚ WANK!
Aug 26th 2017 at 5:13:34 PM

Honestly, there's exactly one preorder bonus that would trigger my "SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!" response - downloadable OST, especially if they offer both 16-bit and remake versions of it.

edited 26th Aug '17 5:23:28 PM by ironballs16

ironballs16 Relationship Status: is commanded toŚ WANK!
Jan 29th 2018 at 12:46:57 PM

I'll have to post the link when I get home, but I stumbled across the new opening video depicting the world's backstory (Mana Fortress and Mana Beast war), and it seems they are taking this chance to do a proper translation, rather than sticking strictly to what poor Woolsey had to churn out in a month.

Original opening - (start at 1:56 if the timer doesn't work with embedding):

Updated opening -

So yeah, a much fuller translation this time around, from the look of things. It'll be interesting to see whether they tweaked or expanded on other aspects, like how the last 3 Elementals were rushed as hell compared to the first 5.

edited 29th Jan '18 2:18:40 PM by ironballs16

tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas
Professional Forum Ninja
May 31st 2019 at 2:12:04 PM So I'll make a resolution, that I'll never make another one, just enjoy this ride on my trip around the sun, until its done.
TargetmasterJoe Much more than meets the eye! from The City, USA Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
Much more than meets the eye!
May 31st 2019 at 2:20:31 PM

[up] Wait, didn't they already have a Collection of Mana over in Japan?

(reads article, realizes the Mana series is referred to as Seiken Densetsu in Japan.)

...

...Random thought: if something gets trademarked in Europe, how long does it take to get trademarked in the US?

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tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas
Professional Forum Ninja
May 31st 2019 at 4:38:25 PM

Square Enix's E3 presentation this year is the evening of June 10th in the US, so I would suspect the trademark would apear in the US TPO that day.

So I'll make a resolution, that I'll never make another one, just enjoy this ride on my trip around the sun, until its done.
tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas
Professional Forum Ninja
Jun 11th 2019 at 10:25:29 AM

So I'll make a resolution, that I'll never make another one, just enjoy this ride on my trip around the sun, until its done.
Jun 11th 2019 at 11:33:36 AM

I'm glad they took their time to rebuild this from the ground up rather than try and be faithful to the original game down to the minute detail.

Best in E3 for me by far.

Edited by Hashil on Jun 11th 2019 at 7:07:15 AM

Draghinazzo My love, has dressed me like a clown Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
My love, has dressed me like a clown
Jun 11th 2019 at 6:04:30 PM

Cool that the original SD 3 is being included in the collection re-translated for the first time ever, so if you prefer to play that instead you can.

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine. ...not really though.
Jun 11th 2019 at 7:11:14 PM

Playing SD3 with a consistent aspect ratio is the weirdest

M84 Such heroic nonsense from Our little blue planet Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Such heroic nonsense
Jun 12th 2019 at 3:07:12 AM

One thing I've always found funny about this series is that the one rarely ever gets to actually wield the Sword of Mana.

Disgusted, but not surprised
TargetmasterJoe Much more than meets the eye! from The City, USA Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
Much more than meets the eye!
Jun 12th 2019 at 6:27:30 AM

So in summation...

Not only is Seiken Densetsu 3 getting a remake for Switch as Trials of Mana, but Collection of Mana is coming stateside with an official translated version of SD3, also called Trials of Mana?

Wow. surprised This ought to be a great time for a Mana fan. smile

And double wow, someone already updated Seiken Densetsu 3's page to its official English name! How they manage it so fast?

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