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nman Since: Mar, 2010
#26: May 1st 2012 at 6:19:07 PM

[up]So is it two weeks for a large province, then, if you listed the fifteenth as the ETA?

Also, I'm a bit confused about what tech level we're supposed to be at, if it's supposed to be roughly early 19th century but there's already existing rocket technology.

Oh, and I see you have level 2 HUMINT - what does it cost to level up an area of an intelligence agencies, is it just the base cost of the entire agency?

edited 1st May '12 6:19:58 PM by nman

Wysp The Man in Black Since: Jan, 2001
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#27: May 1st 2012 at 6:32:31 PM

  1. I may have to look at my ETA again, it's supposed to be three weeks.
  2. 1820s ish. According to a quick wiki search, the first metal-shelled rockets were developed about 1800 or so.
  3. Yes.

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nman Since: Mar, 2010
#28: May 1st 2012 at 6:58:04 PM

Ah, thanks.

Man, if your nation is already planning on using such crazy experimental tech, I'm really going to have to work double-time to make Xarkan the most ridiculous country on the planet.

edited 1st May '12 6:58:24 PM by nman

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#29: May 1st 2012 at 7:07:31 PM

Sirrah, the game that I based this off of is 1980s level and I have laser satellites. This is mild.

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#30: May 1st 2012 at 8:45:33 PM

Re Congreve Rockets:

They were used in Napoleonic times, but they were inaccurate at best, and at worst would arc around and nearly blow up the launcher. The quote on the linky page best describes it.

EDIT:

Also, would electric motors really be feasible at this point? I mean, if steamships are still new...

edited 1st May '12 8:48:21 PM by zzzdragon

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Wysp The Man in Black Since: Jan, 2001
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#31: May 1st 2012 at 8:46:21 PM

Hence my improving of them. tongue

Sabre and I will put up development times for research ASAP.

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#32: May 1st 2012 at 8:55:42 PM

Ok, updated my turn to give names to my new provinces and clarify some things like my military.

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#33: May 1st 2012 at 9:27:07 PM

Electricity...well, this is decades before James Maxwell's discovery of the famous equations. So, good luck and have fun trying to exploit a specific application of that. Before you get to motors you have to figure out electromagnetism first.

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#34: May 1st 2012 at 9:41:52 PM

So what about going for just Electricity first?

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#35: May 1st 2012 at 9:47:54 PM

Quick search says that practical steam turbines (necessary for practical electricity production, and essentially an electric motor in reverse) weren't around until 1884, meaning that they don't exist yet, so one would probably need to start by improving existing steam engines.

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#36: May 1st 2012 at 9:52:29 PM

Aye. You can work on the theory of electricity and you might be able to hammer out the connections between electricity and magnetism in a decade or so, but actually getting it into any practical application will take lots more research.

What is more, research alone won't mean you can build them. That requires a thoroughly modernized infrastructure; there's a reason third-world hellholes don't come up with world-beating designs and then mass-produce them.

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Wysp The Man in Black Since: Jan, 2001
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#37: May 1st 2012 at 10:19:32 PM

Alright, verdicts on research:

  • Better steam engines: For advanced metallurgy, one week.
  • Bikes: You can get a proof-of-concept in 3 days, you'll need to spend money upgrading your infrastructure to get the steel mills necessary to mass-produce enough for an army.
  • Railways: Infrastructure. The tech is there, no need to research it.
  • Flares: 2 days.
  • Rocketry (both counts): 2 days.

EDIT: Also, all colonization worked fine, for those of you who were wondering. It'll be a while before anyone runs over a province that will fight, probably.

edited 1st May '12 10:51:15 PM by Wysp

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#38: May 1st 2012 at 10:27:49 PM

[up] I went ahead and switched to just more advanced steam engines instead with the thought that I might as well work on the other stuff that would be between here and there in the meantime.

nman Since: Mar, 2010
#39: May 1st 2012 at 10:34:51 PM

[up]That won't be a problem in the future, though, as the natives will see Xarkan's bikes and flee in terror [lol]. So if I wanted those steel mills, do I just buy a new level of civil infrastructure under civil upgrades, or do I throw points at it in a different way, like a research project?

Anyway, I made up some names for the provinces, and added that ETA to my post.

[down]Alrighty.

edited 1st May '12 11:11:15 PM by nman

Wysp The Man in Black Since: Jan, 2001
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#40: May 1st 2012 at 10:38:59 PM

[up][up] I'll get to that ASAP. Expect to see it in the place of electricity on that list.

[up] Put it into infrastructure. Also, I was figuring bikes as a battalion upgrade.

...most of the land units are going to be battalions or upgrades thereof, aren't they.

Map will be updated with names when I can get to it.

edited 1st May '12 10:52:14 PM by Wysp

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#41: May 1st 2012 at 11:11:23 PM

...most of the land units are going to be battalions or upgrades thereof, aren't they.

Yeah, probably, at least for now. Consider that we are trying to figure out this game system at the moment, so just making land units battalions is the simplest thing to do.

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#42: May 2nd 2012 at 8:28:23 AM

Which reminds me—everyone who has naval units, you may now consider their prices slashed by one half. There's no way a Super Province would not be able to pay for even one under construction.

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#43: May 2nd 2012 at 8:13:09 PM

So, should we be doing something today? How often does IP regenerate?

Also I added some ships, based on what I described earlier. They're in the profile.

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#44: May 2nd 2012 at 8:22:49 PM

IP doesn't really "regenerate." It's less like mana or MP or what have you and more like watts. As you put it into more things, you have less and less to use, but if you stop using those things you get the watts back. Yes, I know, not a perfect comparison but it's the best I have.

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#45: May 2nd 2012 at 8:29:20 PM

How does it work for building province improvements then? Will the Infrastructure/Shipyard eat 20/45 IP for the rest of forever or will it finish construction then have a smaller upkeep.

In the latter case are the construction times listed somewhere?

edited 3rd May '12 6:29:09 AM by zzzdragon

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nman Since: Mar, 2010
#46: May 2nd 2012 at 9:58:30 PM

[up]I'd like to know that too, because I think I've wasted a ton of CIP if that's not the case.

And I guess having tons of unspent MIP isn't really useful, then.

edited 3rd May '12 6:36:37 PM by nman

AlexHumva from The Outbreak Reality Since: Dec, 2010
#47: May 3rd 2012 at 6:46:25 AM

So um yeah, no clue if I completely derped or not on the IP report but hey, if something's wrong Wysp or Sabre will yell at me xD Also, I'd like some sort of idea on what 25 CIP into LTA travel will get me in two weeks, so I can adjust the time scale according and know what I'll actually be getting rather than picking numbers out of a hat xD

nman Since: Mar, 2010
#48: May 4th 2012 at 1:05:09 PM

So since we're only supposed to do Industry Reports once a week, would you prefer it if we just made simpler posts in-between, or used the same format for the Industry Reports, even though we'd be making minor changes?

Wysp The Man in Black Since: Jan, 2001
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#49: May 4th 2012 at 1:16:59 PM

@ Upgrades: I...had not thought about that. I'll let you guys know as soon as I talk it over with Sabre.

@ Humva: I'll talk it over with Sabre, don't expect anything too big.

@ weekly IP reports: Feel free to post whatever you want in between the reports. The only reason I want them weekly is so that I, as a GM, can keep tabs on what everyone is doing.

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#50: May 4th 2012 at 3:33:45 PM

Btw, has someone PM'd hotelkilo?

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