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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 3rd 2025 at 6:31:00 AM
Er, may as well wait until the current batch is resolved, just so it's less confusing. This one is clearly sparking debate (which is fine, point of these discussions, I just wanted to wrap up all the loose ends, no horse in most of these races, let the votes fall where they may)
That said, now that the crowner is hooked, options can be added by anyone. And I'm fine if people want to go ahead and add The Horde, rule wise that's fine, just do it correctly
Edited by WarJay77 on Aug 30th 2025 at 11:27:17 AM
Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper WallI agree, wait until this batch is finished and add The Horde to the next batch. Any objections to including Godzilla Threshold in said next batch?
I still stand by having request it become No Real Life Examples. There's a difference between Wikipedia merely describing them and stating the events through sources, and this site, by its mission, troping them by treating them as narrative. One is a service for it transparently makes information available, whilst the latter is off-topic for the site's mission and feels tasteless because, as I've said a lot, it feels like we're treating tragedies like some fantasy work to pick at.
Saying something that happens in fiction also happens IRL =/= treating tragedies as fantasy work
To be clear: I am disagreeing. I am saying that documenting IRL is not the same as treating it as "fantasy work".
About The Horde, would the horde always being portrayed as pillaging conquerors put it under Morality Trope? Moving the historical examples showing how IRL hordes weren't actually undisciplined savages to Useful Notes or Analysis is fine
Edited by MsOranjeDiscoDancer on Aug 30th 2025 at 9:16:15 AM
i may be dead inside but at least i have Mystery :,)I would like to bring up Salt the Earth. Many of it's examples are on conflicts that have happen is the past half century of so, including Vietnam war. also, there is an example on the Ukraine war as well. In any case, I think this trope happens any conflict, therefore this trope is probably too common as well.
"happening in modern conflicts" isn't a strong enough reason to act. Commonality would require a very long list of rather unimportant examples. The list is decently long, but I'm on mobile, which makes everything look longer.
Edited by WarJay77 on Sep 2nd 2025 at 7:39:18 AM
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It's pretty long and I'm on a computer. I think what I'm trying to say is that because some of these conflicts are recent, it might veer into ROCEJ territory. There are also some examples related to Afghanistan and Lebanon, most of which happened about 20 or so years ago.
Edited by namra on Sep 2nd 2025 at 4:52:27 AM
That's an argument for NREP, less than NRLEP.
But are the examples actually bad at all? Again, merely being from recent events isn't inherently a problem.
Edited by WarJay77 on Sep 2nd 2025 at 7:54:07 AM
Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper WallI was asking because I'm not in a position to read them and you need to support your argument with evidence that you only just now started to provide. Before you said it "might" veer into ROCEJ territory, but this thread doesn't operate on possibilities
Edited by WarJay77 on Sep 2nd 2025 at 7:58:09 AM
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Sorry if i wasn't clear enough. Here are some examples I found:
This was the Soviet Union's main strategy of combating the mujahideen during their nine-year occupation of Afghanistan. From 1979 to 1989, the Soviets would bomb villages, massacre scores of civilians, poison water sources, slaughter cattle, plant millions of landmines, and destroy key infrastructure such as irrigation canals, homes, and farmland, all in an ultimately futile effort to defeat the mujahideen fighters who resisted Afghanistan's installed communist government. Some have even likened the Soviets' scorched earth campaign against the people of Afghanistan to a full-blown genocide. In the nine years that the Soviets were in Afghanistan, it's estimated that anywhere from 562,000 to 2,000,000 civilians were killed as a result of the occupation.
Israel dropped some 4.5 million cluster munitions in Lebanon during the last days of its military offensive on the country in 2006. Eight years after the 2006 war, Lebanon has not yet finished clearing the cluster munitions and landmines in the south, with Israel refusing to provide UN authorities with maps of the locations of the munitions it dropped until three years after the war.
During the opening stages of Russia's invasion of Ukraine in 2022, Ukraine intentionally shelled Hostomel Airport to prevent its capture by Russian paratroopers and expeditionary forces, which had already briefly captured the airport before being driven back by the Ukrainian Army. As the airport was littered with debris and full of craters, the Russians were unable to use it as a springboard to capture the capital Kyiv, thus turning the conflict from what was supposed to be a 3 day blitz into an ongoing gruelling war of attrition, whilst simultaneously giving the Ukrainians the time they needed to regroup and push back against the Russians with all their might, eventually expelling them from the region around Kyiv entirely.
Edited by namra on Sep 2nd 2025 at 5:01:48 AM
Er, yeah. I'm fine with making this NREP if nothing else.
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I've seen other tropes, like Full-Circle Revolution, that have these problems. The other day, I removed an examples about the Iranian Revolution, even though it didn't happen 50 years ago, yet.
Edited by namra on Sep 2nd 2025 at 5:58:43 AM
As I mentioned on the last page, Dirty Cop has a limitation on its RL subpage to examples where convictions occurred, so should it be on NREP (and maybe also have the limitation mentioned at the end of its main description?)
Join the Five-Man Band cleanup project!It isn't really realistic to be able to stop people from trying to break the rules, and making something NRELP isn't gonna stop people from doing that as well, the best we can do is revert the rule breaking edits whenever they come up.
Edited by JMan34 on Sep 2nd 2025 at 10:31:14 AM
"I created a legacy so resilient that now you come before me.""Harmful to Pets" Reminder is about a work making a point that a certain food will make pets sick if they eat it, but its RL folder is just a list of foods that make pets sick. There’s no “reminder” element to any of them. Permission to cut? I don’t think it needs to be NRLEP, because there could be some genuine real-life examples added in the future, but none of what’s currently there really counts as the trope.
Eat the Rich has some really surprising amounts of cannibalism.
As long as this flower is in my heart. My Strength will flow without end.
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