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Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the staff to add the trope via this thread.

This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.

Common problems include:

Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.

If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.

If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.

Before adding to the crowner:

  • The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
  • There must be support from others in thread.
  • Any objections should be addressed.
  • Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.

When adding to the crowner:

  • Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
  • Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
  • An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).

In order for a crowner to pass:

  • Must have been up for a minimum of a week
  • There must be a 2:1 ratio
  • If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
  • Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP or LRLEO index
  • Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page

Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need a crowner vote.

As per Real Life Troping, we never trope unscripted real life sports — so sports tropes where RL examples would only apply to those scenarios don't need a crowner vote.

Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.

After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.

NRLEP tag:

%% Trope was declared Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

LRLEO tag:

%% Trope was declared Administrivia/LimitedRealLifeExamplesOnly via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%The following restrictions apply: [list restriction(s) here]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

Notes:
  • This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
  • Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
  • As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
  • The [[noreallife]] tag no longer works. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. Per word of admin as of 2025, any replacement for this system will not use markup, so these tags can be removed.
  • If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the staff to add the trope via this thread.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 3rd 2025 at 6:31:00 AM

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#15126: Aug 2nd 2023 at 1:04:15 PM

Oh, and double checking I see there was absolutely no discussion on All Amazons Want Hercules; it was mentioned and nobody weighed in one way or another. I'm pretty sure it's just a standard relationship trope, not a "sex trope" as is claimed.

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MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
(she/her)
#15127: Aug 2nd 2023 at 1:22:45 PM

It's not a sex trope at all and isn't even on Sex Tropes (not that it couldn't have been there for the wrong reasons). It's just women preferring strong men.

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MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
(she/her)
#15128: Aug 2nd 2023 at 1:45:03 PM

~Mrph1

Further discussion can probably be taken to the RL Troping thread but:

  • Aerith and Bob shouldn't be for anything other than characters/personas when it comes to real people and I think it's more of a setting trope.
  • Vocal Dissonance should be tied to a creators role's or stage persona.

Macron's notes
Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#15129: Aug 2nd 2023 at 1:46:39 PM

[up] Thanks! Shall take it to the thread.

FeelLikeFlying Since: Jul, 2022 Relationship Status: Married to the music
#15130: Aug 2nd 2023 at 2:11:13 PM

I said that I said [tup] to All Amazons Want Hercules on the crowner. I thought it was a sexual attraction trope as well as gossip.

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#15131: Aug 2nd 2023 at 2:13:37 PM

This is why we need to look into the tropes before we decide to crowner them... Someone's claim can't always be taken at face value.

Also if you did upvote it I could not find that upvote everywhere, though it's possible I simply missed it.

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CarlFilip19 Since: Aug, 2022 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#15132: Aug 2nd 2023 at 2:28:43 PM

War Jay 77, I am sorry for my unilateral addition to the page. The usage of the term "zombie", such as losing your ability to think, being alive without components needed for life, or being resurrected into a walking carcass, and I have assumed the former to be a thing in real life. By default, it is also okay to edit a description as long as it benefits the entry.

I have not expected my edit to cause such a big discussion like this, by the way.

Edited by CarlFilip19 on Aug 2nd 2023 at 11:36:50 AM

NonexistentYeets The Enforcer from Nightcored Realm (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
The Enforcer
#15133: Aug 2nd 2023 at 3:07:32 PM

I support All Amazons Want Hercules on the list. It's established on the NRLEP Sexuality page that both tropes describing literal sex acts and ones about sexual attraction and folks' preferences qualify, and there's no reason for us to be troping real people's relationships. It's also a stereotype; specific strong women being interested in specific strong men ≠ them all doing that.

they/them pronouns. Look at my Neocities.
WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#15134: Aug 2nd 2023 at 3:09:56 PM

I don't care if we crowner it for valid reasons but what I do care about is that once again the current reason it's there is not true (no matter how you slice it, it's not and was never considered a sexual trope; attraction is much different) and there was zero posts, beside the suggestion itself, on the subject before I'd called it out just now. There's a reason we want a discussion period and I firmly believe that things that did not get any feedback do not belong on the crowner.

Edited by WarJay77 on Aug 2nd 2023 at 6:10:26 AM

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cwallace135 Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: Singularity
#15135: Aug 2nd 2023 at 4:47:15 PM

I think Monster Clown is Impossible, because fictional clowns and real clowns are two different things (Real like clowns are just people in costumes, while fictional clowns tend to be treated as their own species). The examples seem to be kind of inaccurate too, since a lot of it is just speculation as well as talking about people dressed as clowns, which is not the trope. It is also a crime trope, attracting murder examples.

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#15136: Aug 2nd 2023 at 4:49:19 PM

[up] Well, I agree with you that it's attracting some bad examples but I wouldn't bring Clown Species into this, this trope / general concept has nothing to do with that and as far as this trope is concerned, an evil clown is an evil clown.

If we cut it I feel like we'd need to at least mention Gacy in the description or something since I feel like he's the basis for "killer clowns" both fictional and real (despite never murdering anyone as Pogo).

Edited by WarJay77 on Aug 2nd 2023 at 7:50:32 AM

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nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#15137: Aug 2nd 2023 at 7:48:17 PM

I don't care if we crowner it for valid reasons but what I do care about is that once again the current reason it's there is not true (no matter how you slice it, it's not and was never considered a sexual trope; attraction is much different) and there was zero posts, beside the suggestion itself, on the subject before I'd called it out just now. There's a reason we want a discussion period and I firmly believe that things that did not get any feedback do not belong on the crowner.

I actually just downvoted All Amazons Want Hercules purely because I thought this was wildly inappropriate even given the bad patterns this thread has been developing.

AudioSpeaks2 Since: Apr, 2022
#15138: Aug 2nd 2023 at 9:31:11 PM

I think I’ve stated that my primary concern for Gun Nut and Doesn't Like Guns isn't that they're "Too Common" (Though that is a problem), it's that they're both talking about a controversial issue.

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#15139: Aug 2nd 2023 at 9:38:14 PM

I mean, a controversial issue is not in and of itself a reason to ban it (as mentioned "too controversial" does mean it must be controversial on the wiki, not just a controversial subject matter in general). These traits are super common though because they're just opinions people have on guns, which is why after the discussion it's the reason it's being crownered.

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mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Word Up
#15141: Aug 3rd 2023 at 12:16:21 AM

[tdown] to Monster Clown being added, as some works do indeed have evil clowns who are just people in costumes, sometimes even to invoke the trope. The trope does not seem to have Clown Species as a requirement, and can include people dressing as clowns as well. Also the real world inspiration and subsequent imitators feels like quite important context to the trope.

Edited by mightymewtron on Aug 3rd 2023 at 3:16:56 PM

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MissConduct (Septatroper)
#15142: Aug 3rd 2023 at 4:25:00 AM

I would like to clarify that the NRLEP subcategory for Sex, Sexuality, and Rape Tropes does include Sexuality, and we've agreed as a thread before that "sexuality" means both sexual orientation (as in tropes like Alcohol-Induced Bisexuality) and sexual attraction (as in tropes like Fanservice with a Smile), since the latter often collects thirst-posting.

I will agree that the worse crime of All Amazons Want Hercules is that it's Gossip and a Stereotype (it's an "All X Do Y" trope, they're all stereotypes), but I still believe that as a rule, "sexual attraction trope" is a valid reason to crowner a trope.

NonexistentYeets The Enforcer from Nightcored Realm (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
The Enforcer
#15143: Aug 3rd 2023 at 8:26:13 AM

Monster Clown isn't impossible, but there could be a case for it as Morality since it is a villain archetype. I do agree that if it were NRLEP'd, we'd still want to mention notable historical examples that inspired the concept in the description.

Miss Conduct is consistent with my understanding of the criteria re: sex tropes. It's not just literal sex acts; it also includes fanservice and stuff inviting discussions of real people's sexual orientations, although I agree that the latter is more concerning as gossip and that All Amazons Want Hercules is more problematic as a stereotype than a sexual attraction trope.

Edited by NonexistentYeets on Aug 3rd 2023 at 11:26:23 AM

they/them pronouns. Look at my Neocities.
WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#15144: Aug 3rd 2023 at 9:47:46 AM

Was it really something we'd "agreed" upon or were the tropes added to the crowner without much debate regarding whether they "counted" as a sex and sexuality trope? I've been following this thread for ages and I don't remember such a discussion ever happening; if it had I certainly would not have "agreed".

Either way, there's a major difference between a trope like All Amazons Want Hercules (which is literally just about the type of man someone is interested in) and the two tropes you mentioned; one is a fanservice trope about revealing outfits (which, of course, tends to attract bad examples as mentioned) and the other is about someone's sexuality or sexual behavior when drunk... But nothing about All Amazons Want Hercules is inherently sexual, it's a more of a romance trope, and the two are different thing entirely. You guys are calling it a sexual attraction trope when the trope itself says no such thing, it's just "attraction" in general.

And ya'll are sort of ignoring the major issue of the trope not having been discussed before this point, which means that by the thread's rules it should not have been added to the crowner in the first place.

Edited by WarJay77 on Aug 3rd 2023 at 12:50:43 PM

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NonexistentYeets The Enforcer from Nightcored Realm (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
The Enforcer
#15145: Aug 3rd 2023 at 11:06:33 AM

[up] Okay, yeah, upon thinking about it more, I agree with you that it's not specifically sexual in regards to discussing attraction. It's still a stereotype, though, in All X are Y format and I feel like troping real people's romantic preferences is inherently gossipy as well. I think it's a valid crowner candidate, but I agree with you that it shouldn't have gotten onto the current crowner since it wasn't discussed.

Edited by NonexistentYeets on Aug 3rd 2023 at 2:10:31 PM

they/them pronouns. Look at my Neocities.
TotemGenitor Bye Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Bye
#15146: Aug 3rd 2023 at 11:51:33 AM

[up][up][up] In that case, for Monster Clown, wouldn't NREP be better? Seems simpler to just keep historical examples and cut the rest if we need to do anything

NonexistentYeets The Enforcer from Nightcored Realm (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
The Enforcer
#15147: Aug 3rd 2023 at 12:14:41 PM

[up] I'd be down with that; it's consistent with some other treatment of murder and serial killer tropes.

they/them pronouns. Look at my Neocities.
WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#15148: Aug 3rd 2023 at 12:17:31 PM

I've always been a bit iffy on the NREP stuff just because it sort of seems like an arbitrary rule, but if it's what people want I have no real objections.

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mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Word Up
#15149: Aug 3rd 2023 at 6:56:26 PM

I think when people in real life take on certain jobs or appearances to make themselves more scary or face backlash for being more scary than intended because of their job, it enforces the impact of the stereotype on real life, so even under a Morality lens I say Monster Clown is probably fine. It usually refers to unambiguous evil behaviors like murder and rape rather than just calling a person as a whole evil for their beliefs or something.

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WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#15150: Aug 3rd 2023 at 7:03:02 PM

Also these claims are objective; you can say that someone is a murderer or rapist or criminal but you can't say that someone is evil. Tropes about people like these are less "evil person" and more "person who has done bad stuff".

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Vote UP to cut real life examples; vote DOWN to keep.

Anything marked DONE has been resolved.

In order for a crowner to pass:

  • Must have been up for a minimum of a week
  • There must be a 2:1 ratio
  • If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
  • Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP or LRLEO index
  • Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page

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