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Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the staff to add the trope via this thread.

This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.

Common problems include:

Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.

If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.

If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.

Before adding to the crowner:

  • The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
  • There must be support from others in thread.
  • Any objections should be addressed.
  • Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.

When adding to the crowner:

  • Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
  • Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
  • An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).

In order for a crowner to pass:

  • Must have been up for a minimum of a week
  • There must be a 2:1 ratio
  • If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
  • Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP or LRLEO index
  • Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page

Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need a crowner vote.

As per Real Life Troping, we never trope unscripted real life sports — so sports tropes where RL examples would only apply to those scenarios don't need a crowner vote.

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After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.

NRLEP tag:

%% Trope was declared Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

LRLEO tag:

%% Trope was declared Administrivia/LimitedRealLifeExamplesOnly via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%The following restrictions apply: [list restriction(s) here]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

Notes:
  • This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
  • Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
  • As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
  • The [[noreallife]] tag no longer works. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. Per word of admin as of 2025, any replacement for this system will not use markup, so these tags can be removed.
  • If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the staff to add the trope via this thread.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 3rd 2025 at 6:31:00 AM

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#13051: Oct 20th 2022 at 2:44:56 PM

Found this on Plato Is a Moron:

    Real Life 
  • Uwe Boll: "I'm not a fucking retard like Michael Bay or other people running around in the business, or Eli Roth making the same shitty movies over and over again. If you really look at my movies, you will see my real genius, you know?"
  • Philippus Aureolus Theophrastus Bombastus von Hohenheim took this to its logical extent by naming himself as Paracelsus. Aulus Cornelius Celsus was a Roman encyclopedist who had written what had been one of the seminal tracts on medicine from Rome to his era, including such things as surgery, identification of fever as a defense mechanism, and cancer. The name "Paracelsus" literally meant that Philippus Aureolus Theophrastus Bombastus von Hohenheim was "greater than Celsus." The annoying thing? "Paracelsus" was right; he is today remembered as one of the primary forerunners of modern medicine, with his belief in the need to ground medicine in the physical sciences (particularly chemistry), his notion that diseases are entities unto themselves rather than states of being, and his emphasis on specific remedies for specific maladies all being foundational principles of today's medical science. He is more specifically known as the father of the discipline of toxicology; his maxim that "the dose makes the poison" is still taught in medical schools to this day. As for Celsus, he is mostly remembered for being the guy Paracelsus chose to compare himself to.
  • Ayn Rand was once quoted as saying that, in the history of philosophy, she could only recommend the "three As" of Aristotle, Thomas Aquinas and herself.
  • Former world chess champion Bobby Fischer was known to denigrate the skills of previous champions, such as Emanuel Lasker, whom he called a 'coffeehouse player', and even took shots at Jose Raul Capablanca, saying that much of his analysis on certain games was nonsense. He also accused many of the best Russian players of cheating by pre-arranging games with each other. Notably inverted with earlier American champion Paul Morphy, however, who Bobby Fischer said would probably have defeated him in a match.

Seems a little like too much complaining.

bwburke94 I am mad scientist! It's so cool! from 1.048596% (Y2: Electric Boogaloo) Relationship Status: She does the things you do, but she is an IBM
I am mad scientist! It's so cool!
#13052: Oct 20th 2022 at 5:18:06 PM

What even is that trope?

2025: the year it all ends?
Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#13053: Oct 20th 2022 at 5:26:03 PM

I don't see an issue with the trope, but I can entertain the NRLEP if that's the suggestion.

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
badtothebaritone (Life not ruined yet) Relationship Status: Snooping as usual
#13054: Oct 20th 2022 at 5:27:41 PM

[up][up] It's considering famous experts to be inferior to yourself.

Edit: Previous post got page-bottomed, so I'll repeat what I said there:

I requested that Memes.US Politics Biden Era be locked and was granted that request. I know the political memes were cleared once already, but I have seen some discourse from Fighteer and a couple of other tropers suggesting they might be worth considering chopping again. I personally don't have an preference on whether the memes stay or go as long as the misuse is cleaned up. Thoughts?

Edited by badtothebaritone on Oct 20th 2022 at 7:30:03 AM

laserviking42 from End-World Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
#13055: Oct 20th 2022 at 6:32:27 PM

[up]x4 Re: Plato Is a Moron

It is a little bashy, furthermore, as written, only the Uwe Boll and Bobby Fisher (though the part about Paul Morphy should go as its natter) examples have enough context. That von Hohenheim one goes round and round then ultimately says the dude was that smart, so it's not an example. The Ayn Rand example, as much I personally loathe her, doesn't actually say she considered herself smarter than Aristotle (as I recall Aristotle was the only philosopher she said had anything to teach her). Yes she did consider her "philosophy" to be the pinnacle of thought, never to be surpassed, but as written, the example should go.


[up] If it's been voted KRLE once, we can try it again. Currently we're doing that with MemeticBadass.Real Life (though it doesn't seem likely to pass). Looking at past votes, people really like these collections of memes, so I'm not sure it will fare much better.

I question the thought process that led to the creation of political meme pages, especially ones so recent. Perhaps a visit to the NREP cleanup thread is in order.


At any rate, the crowner is full, so until a new one is hooked (the 25th) we could perhaps focus on cleanup where possible.

Edited by laserviking42 on Oct 20th 2022 at 9:32:56 AM

I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#13056: Oct 20th 2022 at 6:33:41 PM

"TV Tropes, more like Meme Tropes, am I right?"

[sigh]

At times I resent making some of these decisions democratic.

Edited by Fighteer on Oct 20th 2022 at 9:34:05 AM

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
laserviking42 from End-World Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
#13057: Oct 20th 2022 at 6:34:48 PM

Democracy is the worst form of government ... except for every other one.

I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Word Up
#13058: Oct 20th 2022 at 7:00:00 PM

I would support at the very least banning political memes, even if we keep real-life Memetic Mutation examples (i.e. celebrity memes and other stuff relevant to entertainment).

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
badtothebaritone (Life not ruined yet) Relationship Status: Snooping as usual
#13059: Oct 20th 2022 at 7:01:49 PM

The political memes are the only real issue if you ask me. The other subpages can stay.

laserviking42 from End-World Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
#13060: Oct 20th 2022 at 7:12:23 PM

Is this the proper thread to cut just the political memes (I'd want them gone, just not sure on the how)?

I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
Nen_desharu Nintendo Fanatic Extraordinaire from Greater Smash Bros. Universe or Toronto Since: Aug, 2020 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Nintendo Fanatic Extraordinaire
#13061: Oct 20th 2022 at 7:25:50 PM

KRLE for non-political memes, cut political memes for Memetic Mutation.

Edited by Nen_desharu on Oct 20th 2022 at 10:26:35 AM

Kirby is awesome.
bwburke94 I am mad scientist! It's so cool! from 1.048596% (Y2: Electric Boogaloo) Relationship Status: She does the things you do, but she is an IBM
I am mad scientist! It's so cool!
#13062: Oct 20th 2022 at 9:38:15 PM

The hard part's going to be the definition of "political".

2025: the year it all ends?
WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#13063: Oct 20th 2022 at 9:39:14 PM

They're literally segregated on pages under the title of "Politics". We just cut the ones on those pages.

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badtothebaritone (Life not ruined yet) Relationship Status: Snooping as usual
#13064: Oct 20th 2022 at 9:40:58 PM

[up][up] All we would have to do is cut Memes.Politics, Memes.US Politics, Memes.US Politics Trump Era, and Memes.US Politics Biden Era, and our problems would be solved.

Edited by badtothebaritone on Oct 20th 2022 at 11:41:16 AM

bwburke94 I am mad scientist! It's so cool! from 1.048596% (Y2: Electric Boogaloo) Relationship Status: She does the things you do, but she is an IBM
I am mad scientist! It's so cool!
#13065: Oct 20th 2022 at 11:02:41 PM

What about Memes.Elizabeth II? Most of it is shoehorned crap anyway (especially in the wake of her death), but I'm not sure if the royal family would be as controversial as elected politicians.

2025: the year it all ends?
Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#13066: Oct 20th 2022 at 11:06:21 PM

I'm not sure this and not the NRLEP criteria thread is appropriate to discuss this.

Beside that, I support a cover ban on memes about political figures that aren't a part of works.

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
laserviking42 from End-World Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
#13067: Oct 20th 2022 at 11:09:43 PM

It does sound like more of a ROCEJ issue, since we're picking and choosing which meme pages get the axe or not.

I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
harryhenry It's either real or it's a dream Since: Jan, 2012
It's either real or it's a dream
#13068: Oct 20th 2022 at 11:50:45 PM

Do Public Execution tropes like Gas Chamber need a Real Life section? For that trope specifically, there's something uncomfortable to me about listing actual genocides like The Holocaust on a trope page, so does it belong under Too Controversial?

Edited by harryhenry on Oct 21st 2022 at 7:54:48 AM

badtothebaritone (Life not ruined yet) Relationship Status: Snooping as usual
#13069: Oct 21st 2022 at 9:12:24 AM

[up][up] Probably a good idea to continue the discussion on the ROCEJ thread.

As for [up], if we get rid of all the general examples, things might be a bit more acceptable.

Edited by badtothebaritone on Oct 21st 2022 at 11:13:15 AM

GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#13070: Oct 23rd 2022 at 12:16:54 PM

Calling Memetic Badass for KRLE. It was already indexed there due to previous discussion, so nothing really has to be done aside from marking the crowner entry as closed.

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GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#13071: Oct 23rd 2022 at 12:22:17 PM

Double posting because I removed the listings brought up in this post in the policy discussion thread from KRLE because they were later made NRLEP, and something can't be both at the same time.

I got a rock for Halloween.
ChloeJessica Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: Awaiting my mail-order bride
#13072: Oct 23rd 2022 at 2:58:29 PM

bringing up Female Misogynist for discussion. it doesn't have a Real Life section, but it does have an Other section that's being used to sneak in real life discourse. i think on the face of it it's an obvious ROCEJ cut like its parent trope, Boomerang Bigot. two of the entries are using weblinks as context so can be cut on those grounds anyway. is it worth doing the full NRLEP treatment?

laserviking42 from End-World Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
#13073: Oct 23rd 2022 at 3:01:11 PM

Female Misogynist is already NRLEP (Too Controversial), so RL examples can be cut with no further discussion.

I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
MissConduct (Septatroper)
#13075: Oct 24th 2022 at 7:41:18 AM

Going to bring up Friend to All Children for NRLEP, although I'm not certain whether it's for being Impossible in RL or Too Common. If we define this trope as "Universally loved by every child" then it's Impossible - there's no way every child can love you forever and always. If we define the trope as "someone is not a Child Hater" then' it's absolutely too common. It also should be noted that people do Invoke this trope for PR reasons - to cover up for crimes, including crimes against children, like the Jimmy Savile and Ed Gein examples, or for political reasons (see the Politicians Kiss Babies trope), like the Ho Chi Minh and the British Royals examples, and even a lot of the many, many, examples of celebrities doing photo ops and visiting hospitals seems like something their PR manager told them to do to invoke this trope and boost their career.

I will settle in the middle and say it's a Characterization trope.

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