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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 3rd 2025 at 6:31:00 AM
I don't see an issue with the trope, but I can entertain the NRLEP if that's the suggestion.
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup![]()
It's considering famous experts to be inferior to yourself.
Edit: Previous post got page-bottomed, so I'll repeat what I said there:
Edited by badtothebaritone on Oct 20th 2022 at 7:30:03 AM
x4 Re: Plato Is a Moron
It is a little bashy, furthermore, as written, only the Uwe Boll and Bobby Fisher (though the part about Paul Morphy should go as its natter) examples have enough context. That von Hohenheim one goes round and round then ultimately says the dude was that smart, so it's not an example. The Ayn Rand example, as much I personally loathe her, doesn't actually say she considered herself smarter than Aristotle (as I recall Aristotle was the only philosopher she said had anything to teach her). Yes she did consider her "philosophy" to be the pinnacle of thought, never to be surpassed, but as written, the example should go.
If it's been voted KRLE once, we can try it again. Currently we're doing that with MemeticBadass.Real Life (though it doesn't seem likely to pass). Looking at past votes, people really like these collections of memes, so I'm not sure it will fare much better.
I question the thought process that led to the creation of political meme pages, especially ones so recent. Perhaps a visit to the NREP cleanup
thread is in order.
At any rate, the crowner is full, so until a new one is hooked (the 25th) we could perhaps focus on cleanup where possible.
Edited by laserviking42 on Oct 20th 2022 at 9:32:56 AM
I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me"TV Tropes, more like Meme Tropes, am I right?"
[sigh]
At times I resent making some of these decisions democratic.
Edited by Fighteer on Oct 20th 2022 at 9:34:05 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"I would support at the very least banning political memes, even if we keep real-life Memetic Mutation examples (i.e. celebrity memes and other stuff relevant to entertainment).
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.KRLE for non-political memes, cut political memes for Memetic Mutation.
Edited by Nen_desharu on Oct 20th 2022 at 10:26:35 AM
Kirby is awesome.They're literally segregated on pages under the title of "Politics". We just cut the ones on those pages.
Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall![]()
All we would have to do is cut Memes.Politics, Memes.US Politics, Memes.US Politics Trump Era, and Memes.US Politics Biden Era, and our problems would be solved.
Edited by badtothebaritone on Oct 20th 2022 at 11:41:16 AM
What about Memes.Elizabeth II? Most of it is shoehorned crap anyway (especially in the wake of her death), but I'm not sure if the royal family would be as controversial as elected politicians.
2025: the year it all ends?I'm not sure this and not the NRLEP criteria thread is appropriate to discuss this.
Beside that, I support a cover ban on memes about political figures that aren't a part of works.
TroperWall / WikiMagic CleanupDo Public Execution tropes like Gas Chamber need a Real Life section? For that trope specifically, there's something uncomfortable to me about listing actual genocides like The Holocaust on a trope page, so does it belong under Too Controversial?
Edited by harryhenry on Oct 21st 2022 at 7:54:48 AM
Calling Memetic Badass for KRLE. It was already indexed there due to previous discussion, so nothing really has to be done aside from marking the crowner entry as closed.
I got a rock for Halloween.Double posting because I removed the listings brought up in this post
in the policy discussion thread from KRLE because they were later made NRLEP, and something can't be both at the same time.
bringing up Female Misogynist for discussion. it doesn't have a Real Life section, but it does have an Other section that's being used to sneak in real life discourse. i think on the face of it it's an obvious ROCEJ cut like its parent trope, Boomerang Bigot. two of the entries are using weblinks as context so can be cut on those grounds anyway. is it worth doing the full NRLEP treatment?
Female Misogynist is already NRLEP (Too Controversial), so RL examples can be cut with no further discussion.
I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose meGoing to bring up Friend to All Children for NRLEP, although I'm not certain whether it's for being Impossible in RL or Too Common. If we define this trope as "Universally loved by every child" then it's Impossible - there's no way every child can love you forever and always. If we define the trope as "someone is not a Child Hater" then' it's absolutely too common. It also should be noted that people do Invoke this trope for PR reasons - to cover up for crimes, including crimes against children, like the Jimmy Savile and Ed Gein examples, or for political reasons (see the Politicians Kiss Babies trope), like the Ho Chi Minh and the British Royals examples, and even a lot of the many, many, examples of celebrities doing photo ops and visiting hospitals seems like something their PR manager told them to do to invoke this trope and boost their career.
I will settle in the middle and say it's a Characterization trope.
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Found this on Plato Is a Moron:
Seems a little like too much complaining.