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Real Life section maintenance (including NRLEP and LRLEO) (New Crowner 9/20/25)

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Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the staff to add the trope via this thread.

This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.

Common problems include:

Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.

If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.

If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.

Before adding to the crowner:

  • The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
  • There must be support from others in thread.
  • Any objections should be addressed.
  • Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.

When adding to the crowner:

  • Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
  • Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
  • An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).

In order for a crowner to pass:

  • Must have been up for a minimum of a week
  • There must be a 2:1 ratio
  • If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
  • Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP or LRLEO index
  • Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page

Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need a crowner vote.

As per Real Life Troping, we never trope unscripted real life sports — so sports tropes where RL examples would only apply to those scenarios don't need a crowner vote.

Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.

After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.

NRLEP tag:

%% Trope was declared Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

LRLEO tag:

%% Trope was declared Administrivia/LimitedRealLifeExamplesOnly via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%The following restrictions apply: [list restriction(s) here]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

Notes:
  • This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
  • Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
  • As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
  • The [[noreallife]] tag no longer works. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. Per word of admin as of 2025, any replacement for this system will not use markup, so these tags can be removed.
  • If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the staff to add the trope via this thread.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 3rd 2025 at 6:31:00 AM

RandomTroper123 She / Her from I'll let you guess... (Not-So-Newbie) Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
She / Her
#13026: Oct 17th 2022 at 8:51:39 PM

[up]If the mods don't want to keep it at sixteen, then I agree we can hold off on Cool Boat.

MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
(she/her)
#13027: Oct 17th 2022 at 9:06:20 PM

I added all 5 tropes. Capping at 16 is fine. I personally think around 15 is a good number but going a little over isn't a big deal as long as it's not like 20+.

Macron's notes
laserviking42 from End-World Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
#13028: Oct 17th 2022 at 9:13:06 PM

Thanks, that's good to know. I think we should still wait for a new crowner before any more suggestions are made.

Also posted the ATT notice.

I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
GnomeTitan Oversized Garden Ornament Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Oversized Garden Ornament
#13029: Oct 18th 2022 at 2:29:38 AM

Regarding Arbitrary Minimum Range I think part of the problem is that the trope description could be a lot clearer about this being about arbitrary minima imposed for narrative or gameplay reasons. While it does mention this, it also talks a lot about real-world reasons why weapons have minimum ranges, which is not the trope at all.

So if the trope is made NRLEP, the description should be made clearer. I guess the same holds for Arbitrary Maximum Range but I haven't checked yet.

GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
MissConduct (Septatroper)
#13031: Oct 18th 2022 at 7:06:51 AM

I first brought up Be Careful What You Wish For like four pages ago and still absolutely zero discussion on it. My TLDR is "Too Common as a concept, attracting complaining and anecdotal examples."

"The page of RL examples are full of natter, anecdotal examples, and lots of complaining about stuff like Nintendo Switch Online, the Critical Role D&D Newbie Boom, and the Disney Star Wars movies. I'm also going to make the argument it's a narrative trope in the sense that this trope is related to foreshadowing, and as a stock phrase it's too common."

BeerBaron from Pennsylvania Since: Mar, 2012
#13032: Oct 18th 2022 at 7:15:03 AM

[up] Be Careful What You Wish For is a disaster. Quite a few of those aren't even "Real Life", are they? They're referencing works and wished-for endings, tones, features, etc. They should go into the proper media folders, no?

Scrolling through, there are also general examples, hot ROCEJ topics like Trump and Brexit, Sports examples which could have their own folder.

In favor of action on that one.

MissConduct (Septatroper)
#13033: Oct 18th 2022 at 7:20:17 AM

If some of those media examples are just complaining they shouldn't be saved on their respective media pages. They either belong on some YMMV trope like Tainted by the Preview or Audience-Alienating Ending or nowhere at all on this site.

Edited by MissConduct on Oct 18th 2022 at 10:21:57 AM

BeerBaron from Pennsylvania Since: Mar, 2012
#13034: Oct 18th 2022 at 7:24:59 AM

[up] Fair. Thinking about it more, I wonder if that might be a candidate for In-Universe Examples Only.

"A character makes a wish and actually gets what they wished for, only to find that the reality does not live up to their fantasy."

Real life doesn't have characters or narratives. Also, this line from IUEO: "We find that a lot of tropes are about reactions, but that the reactions come from the characters or narration often enough that they become an objective trope. Even if they can be Audience Reactions, the tropes here are only to be noted when the characters and show have the reaction."

badtothebaritone (Life not ruined yet) Relationship Status: Snooping as usual
#13035: Oct 18th 2022 at 7:47:30 AM

[up] Throw it on the next crowner.

MissConduct (Septatroper)
#13036: Oct 18th 2022 at 8:33:02 AM

Is there a thread for In Universe Examples Only or do we handle that here? I agree, that sounds like a better place for BCWYWF. I see a thread for No Recent Examples but not In Universe only.

If we have to take it through TRS to get the IUEO status though, given TRS's massive cue, it's probably a lot easier to just take it through the crowner here and call it a day.

Edited by MissConduct on Oct 18th 2022 at 11:34:58 AM

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#13037: Oct 18th 2022 at 10:07:30 AM

Yes, you need TRS for IUEO since IUEO requires a definition change and wick cleanup and a prior wick check... it's not as simple as just crownering it and calling it a day, and the backlog is not an excuse to not do it through the proper channel.

Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
badtothebaritone (Life not ruined yet) Relationship Status: Snooping as usual
#13038: Oct 18th 2022 at 10:31:07 AM

Since Morality Tropes are now blanket-banned from having real life examples, should I add Morality Tropes to NoRealLife/MoralityTropes that aren't already on there?

laserviking42 from End-World Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
#13039: Oct 18th 2022 at 10:49:51 AM

We were kind of in the middle of seeing which tropes should and should not be on the Morality Tropes index. Instead of just tossing a ton of tropes on the index maybe go back some pages and resurrect that effort.

I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
badtothebaritone (Life not ruined yet) Relationship Status: Snooping as usual
#13040: Oct 18th 2022 at 10:52:10 AM

Ah shit, I forgot about that and just nuked the RL sections of Silly Rabbit, Idealism Is for Kids!, Silly Rabbit, Cynicism Is for Losers!, and I Did What I Had to Do for being morality tropes. Whoops.

Edited by badtothebaritone on Oct 18th 2022 at 12:52:54 PM

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#13041: Oct 18th 2022 at 10:52:43 AM

Plus there's still arguments to be had about if tropes that never had RL sections should be made NRLEP pre-emptively. A lot of the ones we haven't covered are in the "no examples" camp.

Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
MonaNaito Since: Jun, 2011
#13042: Oct 18th 2022 at 11:27:28 AM

I looked over the RL section of Precision F-Strike since it's a highly contested crowner. I think part of the issue here is that some of the "real life" examples are just people swearing, but some of them are forms of media intentionally employing this trope - they're just not "fiction", so they ended up under the Real Life banner.

For example, there are several examples taken from film criticism or other art reviews that I think are perfectly valid examples of the trope. There's also good examples of comedians discussing the trope in situations like interviews or memoirs - but they're not, say, Stand-Up Comedy, so they wound up in RL.

Edited by MonaNaito on Oct 18th 2022 at 2:27:39 PM

BeerBaron from Pennsylvania Since: Mar, 2012
#13043: Oct 18th 2022 at 11:27:38 AM

I apologize, I was heading up the Morality Tropes cleanup effort but then got very busy with work and then sick. If someone else wants to head up the effort, feel free. I'll still contribute as I'm able.

MissConduct (Septatroper)
#13044: Oct 18th 2022 at 1:40:12 PM

I still think Be Careful What You Wish For should still be NRLEP. I'm dealing with two deaths in the family right now so I really don't have the time or energy to do the workups required to take the trope through TRS. I think that NRLEP will at least be a stopgap to its problems.

laserviking42 from End-World Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
#13045: Oct 18th 2022 at 5:40:44 PM

Currently the crowner is full, so let's backburner any crowner options and focus more on any cleanup that might be pending.

I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
ChloeJessica Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: Awaiting my mail-order bride
MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
(she/her)
#13047: Oct 19th 2022 at 5:07:21 PM

I was meaning to call Dawson Casting and Heroic BSoD earlier today but I forgot. I cut the RL sections, tagged the pages, and indexes them on the NRLEP subpages.

I also added the NRLEP page tag to the pinned OP for convenience's sake.

Macron's notes
ChloeJessica Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: Awaiting my mail-order bride
#13048: Oct 19th 2022 at 5:17:24 PM

~MacronNotes i was gonna cut the first Other folder on Dawson Casting because it's all general examples, but you still have the page checked out, for about fifteen minutes it looks like.

MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
(she/her)
#13049: Oct 19th 2022 at 5:22:04 PM

I thought I closed the editing window. It should be open now.

Macron's notes
badtothebaritone (Life not ruined yet) Relationship Status: Snooping as usual
#13050: Oct 20th 2022 at 12:42:09 PM

I requested that Memes.US Politics Biden Era be locked and was granted that request. I know the political memes were cleared once already, but I have seen some discourse from Fighteer and a couple of other tropers suggesting they might be worth considering chopping again. I personally don't have an preference on whether the memes stay or go as long as the misuse is cleaned up. Thoughts?

Edited by badtothebaritone on Oct 20th 2022 at 2:42:41 PM

Projects: Long Term/Perpetual: Real Life Section Maintenance
20th Sep '25 9:57:50 AM

Crown Description:

Vote UP to cut real life examples; vote DOWN to keep.

Anything marked DONE has been resolved.

In order for a crowner to pass:

  • Must have been up for a minimum of a week
  • There must be a 2:1 ratio
  • If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
  • Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP or LRLEO index
  • Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page

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