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Real Life section maintenance (including NRLEP and LRLEO) (New Crowner 9/20/25)

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Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the staff to add the trope via this thread.

This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.

Common problems include:

Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.

If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.

If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.

Before adding to the crowner:

  • The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
  • There must be support from others in thread.
  • Any objections should be addressed.
  • Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.

When adding to the crowner:

  • Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
  • Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
  • An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).

In order for a crowner to pass:

  • Must have been up for a minimum of a week
  • There must be a 2:1 ratio
  • If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
  • Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP or LRLEO index
  • Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page

Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need a crowner vote.

As per Real Life Troping, we never trope unscripted real life sports — so sports tropes where RL examples would only apply to those scenarios don't need a crowner vote.

Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.

After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.

NRLEP tag:

%% Trope was declared Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

LRLEO tag:

%% Trope was declared Administrivia/LimitedRealLifeExamplesOnly via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%The following restrictions apply: [list restriction(s) here]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

Notes:
  • This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
  • Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
  • As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
  • The [[noreallife]] tag no longer works. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. Per word of admin as of 2025, any replacement for this system will not use markup, so these tags can be removed.
  • If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the staff to add the trope via this thread.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 3rd 2025 at 6:31:00 AM

MonaNaito Since: Jun, 2011
#12401: Sep 10th 2022 at 6:26:08 AM

[up] Yeah, I'm also confused by that. It doesn't help that the trope title Forehead of Doom suggests a villainous character, but the description and laconic are simply "Character's forehead is a noticeable physical feature." As written it's not a morality trope, it's just badly named.

Edited by MonaNaito on Sep 10th 2022 at 9:26:48 AM

laserviking42 from End-World Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
#12402: Sep 10th 2022 at 8:20:25 AM

Badly written tropes are a TRS issue.

I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#12403: Sep 10th 2022 at 10:39:54 AM

Eh, would need a wick check first.

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Hello83433 (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#12404: Sep 10th 2022 at 11:57:05 AM

I think I Just Shot Marvin in the Face would do better with a cleanup, as several examples are either general or "gun has possibility of doing this".

As for Please Wake Up, "potentially upsetting content" isn't really a reason for NRLEP IMO and looking at the page, it doesn't look like it has a too common problem. The serial works example can probably be deleted for being general.

CSP Cleanup Thread | All that I ask for ... is diamonds and dance floors
WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#12405: Sep 10th 2022 at 11:59:08 AM

I mean, it's not a category we use but it is a reason. If people find real-life examples too shocking, disturbing, or uncomfortable then that's a valid reason to ban them, but under our current system these tend to be lumped into, say, "Too common".

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laserviking42 from End-World Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
#12406: Sep 10th 2022 at 12:09:30 PM

Drifting off from an ATT report, I took a gander at OutlivingOnesOffspring.Real Life. Obviously children dying before their parents is an incredibly common occurrence, and having the real life examples feels a bit ghoulish (which I know isn't a reason in and of itself).

Perhaps a cleanup is in order (the first five examples are general ones), but this list has the potential to just keep growing, so I open the floor to debate on crownering vs cleanup.

I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#12407: Sep 10th 2022 at 12:16:58 PM

I'm taking the "disturbing isn't a reason" issue to the wiki talk thread, btw. Stop there if you want to discuss the policy.

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ChloeJessica Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: Awaiting my mail-order bride
#12408: Sep 10th 2022 at 12:20:05 PM

[up][up]im fine with crownering this one as gossip and too common, it seems in really poor taste to be like "here's a list of parents whose kids died before them!"

laserviking42 from End-World Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
#12409: Sep 10th 2022 at 12:35:54 PM

After reading the RL section more, something else jumps out at me as a reason for cutting, if you go back in time the trope becomes even more common.

Prior to immunization and improved sanitation, childhood mortality was shockingly high (some places about one in three children never made it age 12), and looking through the list, I see a lot of entries about historical figures losing many of their children this way.

I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#12410: Sep 10th 2022 at 1:24:29 PM

I moved Forehead of Doom to Narrative, Characterization, and Plot Tropes. If that still isn't the correct index, then I can't help that people said Morality Tropes was the wrong index without telling me what the right one is.

Anyway, calling Killer Rabbit for NRLEP.

I got a rock for Halloween.
ChloeJessica Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: Awaiting my mail-order bride
#12411: Sep 10th 2022 at 2:37:36 PM

im willing to try cleaning up I Just Shot Marvin in the Face. we can revisit it if there's still a problem afterwards.

(that is a *terrible* name...)

[down]gonna do a wick check, ill let you know what it shows.

Edited by ChloeJessica on Sep 10th 2022 at 3:06:20 AM

laserviking42 from End-World Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
#12412: Sep 10th 2022 at 2:43:32 PM

If you set up a thread, I'll swing by

Also, instead of just loading up the next crowner, maybe we can actually discuss what should be crownered vs what should be cleaned up.

I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
amathieu13 Since: Aug, 2013
#12413: Sep 10th 2022 at 2:47:45 PM

So this ATT thread about an edit war over whether or not Creator.Zack Snyder counts as a valid example of Outliving One's Offspring because his daughter was adopted, made me think that this trope probably should go under NRLEP Too Common.

laserviking42 from End-World Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
#12414: Sep 10th 2022 at 3:04:45 PM

As we are already discussing

I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#12415: Sep 10th 2022 at 3:51:31 PM

[up][up] You might be interested in this discussion that started in part because of the Outliving One's Offspring stuff, btw (and in part because of Please Wake Up).

And yeah, let's try and get all the crowner options in order and discuss them once more before moving on.

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GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#12416: Sep 10th 2022 at 4:41:01 PM

I forgot to index Killer Rabbit earlier. That's been fixed.

As for what was said about discussing what to put on the crowner and what to simply clean up before putting anything on the next crowner, I still intend to hook a new crowner after I call the last two tropes tomorrow, but I'll leave it blank so more discussion can happen. I'm only going to hook an empty crowner for the sake of saving everyone the time of hollering after everything's hashed out.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Sep 10th 2022 at 6:43:52 AM

I got a rock for Halloween.
Walkinshadows Since: Jun, 2012
#12417: Sep 10th 2022 at 10:03:27 PM

NightmareFace.Real Life seems to have similar examples to what the real life section for Body Horror had before it was cut.

Edited by Walkinshadows on Sep 10th 2022 at 1:04:24 PM

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#12418: Sep 10th 2022 at 10:06:09 PM

Unsure if you knew or this is just coincidence, but I brought that exact page up a day or two ago for similar concerns, as well as how it's either mocking or so polite it provides no context.

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Walkinshadows Since: Jun, 2012
#12419: Sep 10th 2022 at 10:09:49 PM

No, I didn't follow this thread. But thanks for letting me know.

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#12420: Sep 10th 2022 at 10:14:22 PM

No problem, It just means that great minds think alike wink

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GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
GastonRabbit MOD C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#12422: Sep 11th 2022 at 10:33:45 AM

As I previously said I would, I hooked an empty crowner to save everyone the time of hollering later on. Since hashing things out before adding new options was suggested, I'm not going to add anything yet.

I got a rock for Halloween.
ChloeJessica Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: Awaiting my mail-order bride
#12423: Sep 11th 2022 at 10:34:01 AM

kay, so we're doing cleanup on aisle Marvin. i can take a crack at it later today maybe.

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#12424: Sep 11th 2022 at 10:35:17 AM

So obviously I want to add Nightmare Face to the crowner and I think people already agree with it but I didn't add it to the old crowner because when it comes to these crowners I'm honestly weirdly nervous about putting it in "too soon" or something. tongue So may as well bring it up first to discuss.

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ChloeJessica Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: Awaiting my mail-order bride
#12425: Sep 11th 2022 at 10:40:10 AM

[up][tup]for disturbing content and for being a rather cruel thing to say about a real person.

regarding IJustShotMarvinInTheFace.Real Life, i think everything but the "Individual examples" section can be summarily cut as either general or irrelevant, yeah?

Edited by ChloeJessica on Sep 11th 2022 at 10:40:37 AM

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Crown Description:

Vote UP to cut real life examples; vote DOWN to keep.

Anything marked DONE has been resolved.

In order for a crowner to pass:

  • Must have been up for a minimum of a week
  • There must be a 2:1 ratio
  • If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
  • Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP or LRLEO index
  • Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page

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