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Real Life section maintenance (including NRLEP and LRLEO) (New Crowner 9/20/25)

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Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the staff to add the trope via this thread.

This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.

Common problems include:

Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.

If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.

If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.

Before adding to the crowner:

  • The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
  • There must be support from others in thread.
  • Any objections should be addressed.
  • Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.

When adding to the crowner:

  • Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
  • Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
  • An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).

In order for a crowner to pass:

  • Must have been up for a minimum of a week
  • There must be a 2:1 ratio
  • If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
  • Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP or LRLEO index
  • Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page

Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need a crowner vote.

As per Real Life Troping, we never trope unscripted real life sports — so sports tropes where RL examples would only apply to those scenarios don't need a crowner vote.

Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.

After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.

NRLEP tag:

%% Trope was declared Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

LRLEO tag:

%% Trope was declared Administrivia/LimitedRealLifeExamplesOnly via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%The following restrictions apply: [list restriction(s) here]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

Notes:
  • This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
  • Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
  • As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
  • The [[noreallife]] tag no longer works. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. Per word of admin as of 2025, any replacement for this system will not use markup, so these tags can be removed.
  • If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the staff to add the trope via this thread.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 3rd 2025 at 6:31:00 AM

Tremmor19 he/him (Y2: Electric Boogaloo)
he/him
#12201: Aug 25th 2022 at 4:56:28 PM

So is troping propaganda inherently considered the same as troping real life then? Becuse I had thought it might fall under the same catagory as documentaries, as a fictionalized portrayal

(To be clear, i do not actually care in the slightest about including Hitler in this trope. I just want to know about propaganda in general)

Edited by Tremmor19 on Aug 25th 2022 at 7:56:38 AM

bwburke94 I am mad scientist! It's so cool! from 1.048596% (Y2: Electric Boogaloo) Relationship Status: She does the things you do, but she is an IBM
I am mad scientist! It's so cool!
#12202: Aug 25th 2022 at 5:12:01 PM

Propaganda isn't real life. The portrayal of Hitler in works of the time is separate from Hitler the real person.

2025: the year it all ends?
WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#12203: Aug 25th 2022 at 5:13:07 PM

Questions about policy right now go to this discussion, btw.

Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
Tabs Since: Jan, 2001
#12204: Aug 25th 2022 at 5:19:50 PM

I think it's a ROCEJ problem here. I feel like no matter how carefully phrased, you don't want to put Hitler under any hero trope.

For some other trope where "propaganda" would be an uncharitable way to refer to the thing being troped, it might go in Advertising, not Real Life.

MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
(she/her)
#12205: Aug 25th 2022 at 5:26:13 PM

I don't think people were thinking about the hero part. I see people use Celibate Hero for any character that isn't interested in sex/romance. Either way, the trope definitely doesn't need a real life section and I thought it was crownered before? Maybe I misremembered.

Macron's notes
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#12206: Aug 25th 2022 at 5:30:18 PM

While "propaganda" in a general sense is not precisely real life — it is a crafted narrative — the vast majority falls under ROCEJ and should not be troped.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
laserviking42 from End-World Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
#12207: Aug 25th 2022 at 5:50:09 PM

Propaganda is basically advertising for the state, however I would argue vociferously against troping propaganda for obvious reasons. That way lies madness.

I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Word Up
#12208: Aug 25th 2022 at 5:51:47 PM

On the contrary, I would say that troping propaganda might lessen its power by putting it in the context of author decisions rather than a reflection of reality as it's often intended. Plus banning propaganda might open up questions of what "counts" as propaganda which is an even worse minefield.

[down] Yeah, and fictional propaganda exists. So ignoring whatever works we consider "propaganda" would be taking more of a stance.

Edited by mightymewtron on Aug 25th 2022 at 12:59:54 PM

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#12209: Aug 25th 2022 at 5:54:10 PM

[up] "Lessing the power of propaganda" is off-mission for TV Tropes. We aren't an activism site; we're about fiction.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
ChloeJessica Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: Awaiting my mail-order bride
#12210: Aug 25th 2022 at 5:55:25 PM

i think Mewtron has a point. i don't see why there needs to be a blanket ban on propaganda, as long as it's clearly identified and presented as neutrally as possible. obviously some shit's gonna be over the ROCEJ line, but we can handle that on a case by case basis.

laserviking42 from End-World Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
#12211: Aug 25th 2022 at 5:57:04 PM

Slippery slope is a fallacy, an illogical argument. We are perfectly capable of drawing lines where need be.

I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#12212: Aug 25th 2022 at 6:01:50 PM

I mean there are plenty of Propaganda works we already trope, such as various Wartime Cartoons or Squirrel and Hedgehog.

Edited by WarJay77 on Aug 25th 2022 at 9:02:23 AM

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ChloeJessica Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: Awaiting my mail-order bride
Tabs Since: Jan, 2001
#12214: Aug 25th 2022 at 6:04:03 PM

It's easy to picture the worst, most manipulative propaganda, but the "We Can Do It!" World War II poster is propaganda. We don't need to try to prescribe "this good" or "this bad", just not run into ROCEJ issues.

Berrenta Bejeweled (she/her) (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Bejeweled (she/her)
#12215: Aug 25th 2022 at 6:18:27 PM

Added Screw This, I'm Outta Here! to the crowner.

We can probably set aside any further items for the next crowner, but if anyone feels like it's fine to add more, go for it.

RallyBot2 (Elder Troper) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
#12216: Aug 25th 2022 at 6:32:22 PM

Might as well throw Elves Versus Dwarves on there.

Neither elves nor dwarves exist in real life.

ChloeJessica Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: Awaiting my mail-order bride
#12217: Aug 25th 2022 at 6:33:43 PM

list for the next crowner:

Edited by ChloeJessica on Aug 27th 2022 at 4:43:09 AM

MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
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#12218: Aug 25th 2022 at 6:35:13 PM

There's currently 17 items on the crowner. Crowners get a little hard to follow after the 15-20+ mark so I think we should hold off adding more tropes to it.

Edited by MacronNotes on Aug 25th 2022 at 9:42:46 AM

Macron's notes
MissConduct (Septatroper)
#12219: Aug 25th 2022 at 6:42:07 PM

There's also: (for next crowner, the current's long enough)

I do think we might need a bit more discussion on Please Wake Up though - I feel like there's a good amount of support for removing RL examples but I can't think of which of the seven categories it'd go into. Leaning towards "Too Common"?

Edited by MissConduct on Aug 25th 2022 at 9:49:34 AM

Berrenta Bejeweled (she/her) (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Bejeweled (she/her)
#12220: Aug 25th 2022 at 8:36:59 PM

Please Wake Up does look like a too common case.

TheUnsquished Filthy Casual from A youngun between two oldies Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Filthy Casual
#12221: Aug 25th 2022 at 10:24:02 PM

I'd certainly say so.

(Annoyed grunt)
GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#12222: Aug 26th 2022 at 12:20:04 AM

Calling Overprotective Dad for NRLEP.

Edit: Indexed the page, removed the Real Life folder, and added a note to the page.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 26th 2022 at 2:23:27 PM

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namra Since: Sep, 2021
#12223: Aug 26th 2022 at 4:27:29 AM

the real life section of It Can't Be Helped is basically a speech about bad events happening in the world.

Edited by namra on Aug 26th 2022 at 4:28:09 AM

MissConduct (Septatroper)
#12224: Aug 26th 2022 at 5:25:12 AM

[up]Yeah most of those look like ROCEJ violations. Like Please Wake Up, It Can't Be Helped is another stock phrase that's also probably Too Common as well as Too Controversial. I'd crowner it.

No Pregger Sex is a sex trope, and it's RL section is entirely medical advice that I think we really aren't in the position to be giving. I feel like it can be surmised with a paragraph in the intro, "sex while pregnant is less dangerous than media would have you believe but talk to your doctor first if you have a high-risk pregnancy", and then be crownered as a sex trope.

GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#12225: Aug 27th 2022 at 4:21:14 PM

I initially added Please Wake Up, It Can't Be Helped, and No Pregger Sex, but I retracted them in favor of saving them for the next crowner since the current one is long and it would be for the best if we can replace it as soon as we can.

This crowner might run until early September due to some of the options from the 24th having exactly or close to a 2:1 ratio, thus meaning they'd need to be delayed by two days if the ratio doesn't change significantly by the one-week mark.

Edit: I think suggestions from this post onward would be the ones to consider for the next crowner once we're done with this one.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 27th 2022 at 6:26:51 AM

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Crown Description:

Vote UP to cut real life examples; vote DOWN to keep.

Anything marked DONE has been resolved.

In order for a crowner to pass:

  • Must have been up for a minimum of a week
  • There must be a 2:1 ratio
  • If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
  • Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP or LRLEO index
  • Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page

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