Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the staff to add the trope via this thread
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- If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the staff to add the trope via this thread
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 3rd 2025 at 6:31:00 AM
Questions about policy right now go to this discussion
, btw.
I don't think people were thinking about the hero part. I see people use Celibate Hero for any character that isn't interested in sex/romance. Either way, the trope definitely doesn't need a real life section and I thought it was crownered before? Maybe I misremembered.
Macron's notesWhile "propaganda" in a general sense is not precisely real life — it is a crafted narrative — the vast majority falls under ROCEJ and should not be troped.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"On the contrary, I would say that troping propaganda might lessen its power by putting it in the context of author decisions rather than a reflection of reality as it's often intended. Plus banning propaganda might open up questions of what "counts" as propaganda which is an even worse minefield.
Yeah, and fictional propaganda exists. So ignoring whatever works we consider "propaganda" would be taking more of a stance.
Edited by mightymewtron on Aug 25th 2022 at 12:59:54 PM
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
"Lessing the power of propaganda" is off-mission for TV Tropes. We aren't an activism site; we're about fiction.
I mean there are plenty of Propaganda works we already trope, such as various Wartime Cartoons or Squirrel and Hedgehog.
Edited by WarJay77 on Aug 25th 2022 at 9:02:23 AM
Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wallor things like The Turner Diaries or (shudder) Ethnic Cleansing.
Added Screw This, I'm Outta Here! to the crowner.
We can probably set aside any further items for the next crowner, but if anyone feels like it's fine to add more, go for it.
list for the next crowner:
- Please Wake Up (brought up but not discussed, im fine with crownering it)
- False Dichotomy
- Celibate Hero
- Elves vs. Dwarves
Edited by ChloeJessica on Aug 27th 2022 at 4:43:09 AM
There's currently 17 items on the crowner. Crowners get a little hard to follow after the 15-20+ mark so I think we should hold off adding more tropes to it.
Edited by MacronNotes on Aug 25th 2022 at 9:42:46 AM
Macron's notesThere's also: (for next crowner, the current's long enough)
- Sadist Teacher (morality, attracted misuse)
- Dysfunctional Family (too common, gossip, and attracting ROCEJ violations)
- Rules of the Road (narrative trope, all the examples are misuse)
- Everything Is an iPod in the Future (All the examples are misuse as they discuss current technology, extant technology that resembles Apple products is Follow the Leader and not this trope, and anything that would fit the trope would be speculative,)
- Lantern Jaw of Justice (personal appearance trope, moral judgement)
- Forehead of Doom (see above)
I do think we might need a bit more discussion on Please Wake Up though - I feel like there's a good amount of support for removing RL examples but I can't think of which of the seven categories it'd go into. Leaning towards "Too Common"?
Edited by MissConduct on Aug 25th 2022 at 9:49:34 AM
Please Wake Up does look like a too common case.
Calling Overprotective Dad for NRLEP.
Edit: Indexed the page, removed the Real Life folder, and added a note to the page.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 26th 2022 at 2:23:27 PM
I got a rock for Halloween.
Yeah most of those look like ROCEJ violations. Like Please Wake Up, It Can't Be Helped is another stock phrase that's also probably Too Common as well as Too Controversial. I'd crowner it.
No Pregger Sex is a sex trope, and it's RL section is entirely medical advice that I think we really aren't in the position to be giving. I feel like it can be surmised with a paragraph in the intro, "sex while pregnant is less dangerous than media would have you believe but talk to your doctor first if you have a high-risk pregnancy", and then be crownered as a sex trope.
I initially added Please Wake Up, It Can't Be Helped, and No Pregger Sex, but I retracted them in favor of saving them for the next crowner since the current one is long and it would be for the best if we can replace it as soon as we can.
This crowner might run until early September due to some of the options from the 24th having exactly or close to a 2:1 ratio, thus meaning they'd need to be delayed by two days if the ratio doesn't change significantly by the one-week mark.
Edit: I think suggestions from this post
onward would be the ones to consider for the next crowner once we're done with this one.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 27th 2022 at 6:26:51 AM
I got a rock for Halloween.
Crown Description:
Vote UP to cut real life examples; vote DOWN to keep. Anything marked DONE has been resolved. In order for a crowner to pass:- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- There must be a 2:1 ratio
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
- Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP or LRLEO index
- Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page

So is troping propaganda inherently considered the same as troping real life then? Becuse I had thought it might fall under the same catagory as documentaries, as a fictionalized portrayal
(To be clear, i do not actually care in the slightest about including Hitler in this trope. I just want to know about propaganda in general)
Edited by Tremmor19 on Aug 25th 2022 at 7:56:38 AM