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Real Life section maintenance (including NRLEP and LRLEO) (New Crowner 9/20/25)

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Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the staff to add the trope via this thread.

This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.

Common problems include:

Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.

If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.

If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.

Before adding to the crowner:

  • The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
  • There must be support from others in thread.
  • Any objections should be addressed.
  • Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.

When adding to the crowner:

  • Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
  • Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
  • An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).

In order for a crowner to pass:

  • Must have been up for a minimum of a week
  • There must be a 2:1 ratio
  • If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
  • Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP or LRLEO index
  • Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page

Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need a crowner vote.

As per Real Life Troping, we never trope unscripted real life sports — so sports tropes where RL examples would only apply to those scenarios don't need a crowner vote.

Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.

After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.

NRLEP tag:

%% Trope was declared Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

LRLEO tag:

%% Trope was declared Administrivia/LimitedRealLifeExamplesOnly via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%The following restrictions apply: [list restriction(s) here]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

Notes:
  • This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
  • Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
  • As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
  • The [[noreallife]] tag no longer works. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. Per word of admin as of 2025, any replacement for this system will not use markup, so these tags can be removed.
  • If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the staff to add the trope via this thread.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 3rd 2025 at 6:31:00 AM

Candi Sorcerer in training from Closer to rimward than hubward Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Sorcerer in training
#1951: Oct 18th 2013 at 12:50:22 PM

Check out Fighteer's post 1945 in this thread. It's probably the clearest analysis of that pretend-to-be-a-trope mess that's possible.

Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
reub2000 Since: Feb, 2011
#1952: Oct 18th 2013 at 4:35:31 PM

I think the point of Pretty Boy as a trope is to gush about actors. Gushing about people that aren't actors doesn't seem that strange in the context of the trope. Maybe the whole trope needs to go?

Ultimatum Disasturbator from The Wiggle Room (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#1953: Oct 18th 2013 at 4:56:39 PM

Agent Peacock has the same problem.

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
XFllo There is no Planet B from Planet A Since: Aug, 2012
There is no Planet B
#1954: Oct 18th 2013 at 6:48:30 PM

[up][up] Whoa, careful with that, that's one of the oldest tropes in the book. It's a valid trope with examples from mythology. Why would this need to be cut?

It's misused and could use TRS, but cut it? No.

edited 19th Oct '13 3:41:06 PM by XFllo

Candi Sorcerer in training from Closer to rimward than hubward Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Sorcerer in training
#1955: Oct 18th 2013 at 10:27:29 PM

Apollo was a Pretty Boy. So was Narcissus. I could probably dig up half a dozen other legendary or mythological examples from before the Renaissance if I bothered.

It might need a TRS or Example Repair/Removal Work, but no cutting. Cutting where tropes are involved mean they can not -cannot- be saved. At all. Those are usually ones posted without going through YKTTW and just tossed up, like Hyper Mode a few weeks back. (It was Same, but More, and had only two examples, which those familiar with the works said at least one was wrong.)

Broken Ace: It's literally half a villain trope, and it's real life section... well, it needs work. At the very least the general examples need booting, plus there's the discussion/wall of text on Hollywood stars that seem to be doing great, then bam!

Tyra Banks is mentioned, and her description seems to point to type 1. (RL person probably called a villain). Patton's entry is arguing (and I'm not touching that one -cautious editing). Tiger Woods seems more of a fallen hero then a broken ace.

Hamilton, Walker, Jackson, Hemingway might qualify for type 2.

edited 18th Oct '13 10:49:03 PM by Candi

Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
SmytheOrdo Wide Eyed Wonderman from In The Mountains Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Wide Eyed Wonderman
#1956: Oct 19th 2013 at 12:03:38 AM

Right-Wing Militia Fanatic is a double NRLEP. Has quite a bit of natter, a villain trope,, and a political trope.

David Bowie 1947-2016
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1957: Oct 19th 2013 at 3:31:57 AM

Pretty Boy needs the contextless RL examples excised - the only examples I would consider worth noting there are for actors that often play them. As for @1952, that's just wrong.

Right-Wing Militia Fanatic: Eh, I could go either way.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
HersheleOstropoler You gotta get yourself some marble columns from BK.NY.US Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Less than three
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
#1958: Oct 19th 2013 at 2:13:47 PM

May as well declare Russia Iran Disco Suck called, now that it's been cut entirely.

ETA: Changed my vote on Right-Wing Militia Fanatic, it's a bit off-topic, but as long as it's kept to

  • organizations
  • that are overtly and explicitly within the trope
I think it can stay, though the trope itself may need clarification.

That said, I can't say I'd miss the RL section all that much if it were lopped off.

edited 19th Oct '13 2:20:04 PM by HersheleOstropoler

The child is father to the man —Oedipus
nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#1959: Oct 19th 2013 at 2:43:37 PM

Thought I posted this already, but while I could maybe see a case being made for Right-Wing Militia Fanatic keeping its section if the problems were only hypothetical, there's already tons of natter.

LordGro (Old as dirt)
#1960: Oct 20th 2013 at 7:28:58 AM

ValuesDissonance.Real Life is a long, long … long list of things that are judged differently between different places or time periods. As with all Values Dissonance example pages, Conversation In The Main Page abounds. Demonstration of relevance in fiction, media or storytelling: None.

I suggest a cut. A list of cultural value differences between any two places or time periods on the planet not only has by its nature the potential to grow infinitely, it also has nothing to do with the wiki's mission.

As a side note, many of the entries are not actually instances of Values Dissonance, but Cross-Cultural Kerfluffle (or occasionally Cross Temporal Kerfluffle, if we had such a trope). For example, that swastikas evoke different associations post-Nazis than they did pre-Nazis, or that they continue to be considered symbols of luck in India even today, is not evidence of Values Dissonance.

Terrie Since: Apr, 2011
#1961: Oct 20th 2013 at 8:02:08 AM

[up] I'd be okay with cutting it. Reading the description, it seems to be specifically about how tropes in media can cause issues across cultures, times, backgrounds, etc, because values are not universal. So, we don't need a whole page about exactly how values are not universal.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#1962: Oct 20th 2013 at 8:17:09 AM

Values Dissonance is inherently a media-only concept. Listing RL examples is utterly wrong. I'm willing to mod fiat this if it doesn't get properly voted up.

edited 20th Oct '13 8:17:19 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
SmytheOrdo Wide Eyed Wonderman from In The Mountains Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Wide Eyed Wonderman
#1963: Oct 20th 2013 at 7:58:38 PM

I actually find that one pretty interesting and not very flame-y, so vote down.

David Bowie 1947-2016
Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
#1964: Oct 20th 2013 at 8:15:28 PM

Calling Pretty Boy - Added 17th Oct '13 at 05:19:43 PM, 13:1 (14)

All your safe space are belong to Trump
ShadowMaiden Since: Sep, 2009
#1965: Oct 21st 2013 at 10:16:28 AM

Color Me Black

Example was added about George Zimmerman. Race being a factor is something that will rage on for years (the judge specifically barred the use of the term "racially profiled Trayvon Martin") and being in the article serves as flame bait.

Sachiko Moe moe killing machine from Madrid, Spain Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Moe moe killing machine
#1966: Oct 21st 2013 at 12:15:36 PM

Today I went to have my mouth cleaned, and out of curiosity looked around to see if there were tropes about dentists. I found that Depraved Dentist had Real Life examples.

Needless to say, I added it to the crowner. Calling dentists sadists that enjoy causing pain to their patients is a no no in This Wiki.

"Suffer a vicious person and you will fear vice. Suffer a virtuous one and you will soon loathe virtue itself." Tony Duvert
nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#1967: Oct 21st 2013 at 1:35:07 PM

Stupid Sacrifice has a Real Life section containing one incorrect example, and it's kind of an insulting trope to apply to real people anyway. Should it be cut?

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1968: Oct 21st 2013 at 1:38:52 PM

Strangely, there is already a NRLEP tag, but not in the source.

Also, a question pertinent to this topic - shall we go through all pages that link No Real Life Examples, Please! and replace their ontext mentions with the [[noreallife]] tag? I would say so, since it's an editor note (even if it becomes only on-page this way).

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#1969: Oct 21st 2013 at 2:44:45 PM

Was Berserk Button ever judged in this thread? It has an entire RL page about how people are reputed to go off at the drop of a hat, despite us supposedly not troping RL people.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Ultimatum Disasturbator from The Wiggle Room (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#1970: Oct 21st 2013 at 2:48:48 PM

I remember bringing it up,but it got ignored.

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Catbert Since: Jan, 2012
#1971: Oct 21st 2013 at 2:52:04 PM

It even has a politics section. I say cut BerserkButton.Real Life.

EDIT PS

BTW, in case no one noticed, someone added Depraved Dentist to the crowner. I also support cutting that Real Life section.

edited 21st Oct '13 2:53:49 PM by Catbert

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Candi Sorcerer in training from Closer to rimward than hubward Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Sorcerer in training
#1973: Oct 21st 2013 at 4:45:19 PM

Any thoughts on Broken Ace in post1955?

Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
HersheleOstropoler You gotta get yourself some marble columns from BK.NY.US Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Less than three
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
#1974: Oct 21st 2013 at 5:40:22 PM

1968: I don't know about replacing, unless such warnings are considered too much wiki inside baseball to be shown to the casual reader. I'd rather let people who are about to hit the edit button know not to bother than for them to find out only after the fact.

The child is father to the man —Oedipus
Nocturna Since: May, 2011
#1975: Oct 21st 2013 at 6:35:03 PM

I believe Eddie has categorically stated in the past that instructions geared towards editors, which NRLEP falls under, are not supposed to be visible to casual readers, which makes the edit screen the only place to put them. (Hm... it would be nice if we could get a code that would display the marked text only if the reader is logged in... maybe I'll start a tech wishlist thread for that.)

Projects: Long Term/Perpetual: Real Life Section Maintenance
20th Sep '25 9:57:50 AM

Crown Description:

Vote UP to cut real life examples; vote DOWN to keep.

Anything marked DONE has been resolved.

In order for a crowner to pass:

  • Must have been up for a minimum of a week
  • There must be a 2:1 ratio
  • If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
  • Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP or LRLEO index
  • Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page

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