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Real Life section maintenance (including NRLEP and LRLEO) (New Crowner 9/20/25)

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Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the staff to add the trope via this thread.

This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.

Common problems include:

Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.

If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.

If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.

Before adding to the crowner:

  • The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
  • There must be support from others in thread.
  • Any objections should be addressed.
  • Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.

When adding to the crowner:

  • Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
  • Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
  • An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).

In order for a crowner to pass:

  • Must have been up for a minimum of a week
  • There must be a 2:1 ratio
  • If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
  • Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP or LRLEO index
  • Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page

Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need a crowner vote.

As per Real Life Troping, we never trope unscripted real life sports — so sports tropes where RL examples would only apply to those scenarios don't need a crowner vote.

Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.

After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.

NRLEP tag:

%% Trope was declared Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

LRLEO tag:

%% Trope was declared Administrivia/LimitedRealLifeExamplesOnly via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%The following restrictions apply: [list restriction(s) here]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

Notes:
  • This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
  • Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
  • As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
  • The [[noreallife]] tag no longer works. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. Per word of admin as of 2025, any replacement for this system will not use markup, so these tags can be removed.
  • If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the staff to add the trope via this thread.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 3rd 2025 at 6:31:00 AM

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#1526: Jul 13th 2013 at 8:37:04 AM

[up] Done and done. Fill 'er up.

Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
#1527: Jul 13th 2013 at 9:57:39 AM

By the way, when closing out a crowner, please remember to update the Keep Real Life Examples page to note what (if any) nominations don't qualify for being made NRLEP.

I've updated the page up to the latest completed crowner, this is mostly for future reference.

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#1528: Jul 13th 2013 at 10:06:12 AM

I will keep that in mind for the next time.

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#1529: Jul 18th 2013 at 6:42:55 AM

Does Hellish Pupils really need a Real Life section? Seems to be mostly animals that have the pupils in question.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1530: Jul 18th 2013 at 6:47:15 AM

There is a section already (making the "needs" question moot), but the trope is more than just weird pupils.

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#1531: Jul 18th 2013 at 6:47:47 AM

The trope specifically states that it's about people with "animal" pupils, which both incorporates animals by reference and makes them ineligible, since their pupils are natural and not indicative of some form of Evil.

This isn't a case of NRLEP as it a case of simple inapplicability.

edited 18th Jul '13 6:48:14 AM by Fighteer

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reub2000 Since: Feb, 2011
#1533: Jul 20th 2013 at 1:18:17 PM

Added Wizarding School. The 2 examples listed are Square Peg Round Trope, and there is no such thing as a Wizarding School.

Also, Burning the Flag was launched with a NRLEP tag. I argue that if Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgment is followed there that it could have a RL section.

edited 20th Jul '13 1:20:25 PM by reub2000

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#1534: Jul 20th 2013 at 1:26:34 PM

I think the second Real Life example of Wizarding School is legitimate. It's about a rumour/reputation about schools being Wizarding Schools, which while it doesn't make those school actual Wizarding Schools, still means the trope is in play in popular consensus.

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ChaoticNovelist Since: Jun, 2010
#1535: Jul 22nd 2013 at 7:08:54 AM

[up] There's room for that arguement. If you have a school that's big on privacy and secret (trade) knowledge and what not, then it's possible someone might think there was something supernatural going on. On the other hand,I checked the real life section and there's only one sentence. Unless we can get more there, I don't see the problem either way.

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#1536: Jul 22nd 2013 at 7:42:15 AM

Not a problem = No need to fix it.

The problematic example was removed by Catbert.

But overall, I don't see having shoehorned examples as a reason to set it to No Real Life Examples by that alone. If it's too much to be handled it's one thing, but if you can trim off the bad apples and have it look good, it's not a problem that needs this solution.

edited 22nd Jul '13 7:44:38 AM by AnotherDuck

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reub2000 Since: Feb, 2011
#1537: Jul 22nd 2013 at 9:50:23 AM

The trope was nominated because like most of the other magic based tropes, it's impossible in Real Life.

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#1538: Jul 22nd 2013 at 10:52:17 AM

Playing with a trope is very much possible even if the trope itself isn't. So no, it's not impossible to have a real life example of the trope.

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#1539: Jul 24th 2013 at 9:34:23 AM

Can we please restore Real Life examples to More Dakka and Pyrrhic Victory? The edit war CAN'T be that recent, can it?

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SmytheOrdo Wide Eyed Wonderman from In The Mountains Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#1540: Jul 24th 2013 at 9:38:37 AM

Also, Walking Out on the Show is marked as NRLEP, but i think we could theoretically make one with a short blurb or such.

edited 24th Jul '13 9:39:21 AM by SmytheOrdo

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reub2000 Since: Feb, 2011
#1541: Jul 24th 2013 at 9:50:26 PM

More Dakka has a real life section. It's just labeled as "Other". *face palm*

@Another Duck: By "playing with" you mean creating malicious gossip? It's not an example of a Wizarding School. Other tropes related to magic have meet the chainsaw, I don't see why this one is any different.

edited 24th Jul '13 9:53:53 PM by reub2000

MikuruFan from Away Since: Nov, 2012
#1542: Jul 24th 2013 at 9:55:31 PM

Then Walking Out on the Show would have to be Trivia and overhauled to make the real life examples prominent; a discussion that belongs in the Trope Repair Shop. I'd have to check, but I think it was declared NRLEP over complaining.

"When this happens in Real Life, it is very much an Audience Reaction (and thus no Real Life examples should be added)."

Edit: I think it would be appropriate to limit it to In Universe Examples Only than No Real Life Examples Please. That's how the warning is written.

edited 24th Jul '13 10:00:24 PM by MikuruFan

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1543: Jul 24th 2013 at 11:45:26 PM

@1541: Not "malicious". I have no idea where that comes from.

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#1544: Jul 25th 2013 at 2:44:40 AM

Let's put it this way. According to the rumours, it is an example. Rumours are stories which may or may not be true. You could file it under a different folder that Real Life, though.

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Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
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#1545: Jul 25th 2013 at 6:30:38 AM

"Rumo(u)rs" is really just another way of saying "gossip", once you get past the nitpicky fine details. Quite a few NRLEP entries are listed because the wiki isn't for gossiping about RL organizations/people, so I don't see why Wizarding School should get any special treatment in that regard.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1546: Jul 25th 2013 at 6:47:09 AM

Last I checked the gossip examples we pulled were about negative/sex tropes.

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#1547: Jul 25th 2013 at 7:57:23 AM

Considering the supernatural nature, I'd rather consider it a myth than gossip. Much like Nessie.

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#1548: Jul 26th 2013 at 1:55:53 PM

what is the difference between NRLEP and In Universe Examples Only?

David Bowie 1947-2016
MikuruFan from Away Since: Nov, 2012
#1549: Jul 26th 2013 at 6:12:07 PM

This distinction blurs in tropes that have potential for trivia: the examples would be in the real life production of a work, but they are kept off because it could be misused or used as complaining.

SmytheOrdo Wide Eyed Wonderman from In The Mountains Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Wide Eyed Wonderman
#1550: Jul 26th 2013 at 6:24:34 PM

I...still don't get it.

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Crown Description:

Vote UP to cut real life examples; vote DOWN to keep.

Anything marked DONE has been resolved.

In order for a crowner to pass:

  • Must have been up for a minimum of a week
  • There must be a 2:1 ratio
  • If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
  • Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP or LRLEO index
  • Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page

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