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- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
Chew.
(she/her)
Calling Medieval Prehistory and Vice City for NRLEP and KRLE for Artificial Stupidity.
Macron's notes
Chew.
I've been accidentally forgetting to add some tropes that have had some consensus towards crownering:
- Badass Pacifist: Narrative/Characterization, attracting gushing and misuse
- Actual Pacifist: Narrative/Characterization as well as Impossible, no person (and certainly no group) can reach the high standards of never-hurt-a-fly pacifism of the fictional examples
- Crying Wolf: Too Controversial, attracting ROCEJ violating edits including alt-right talking points
- Annoying Younger Sibling: Narrative/Characterization, Gossip
- Killer Gorilla: Morality (assigning human morality judgements to animal behavior), Too Common
- Noodle Incident: Narrative/Characterization, Impossible, attracting Gossip
- Incompatible Orientation: Gossip, sexuality
- Handicapped Badass: Narrative/Characterization, attracting gushing
- Awesome, but Impractical: Narrative, Too Common
- Boring, but Practical: Ditto.
Edited by MissConduct on Mar 18th 2023 at 9:14:48 AM
Koichi really steals? No dignity.
Government-Exploited Crisis already has the No Real Life Examples, Please! on its page, but it's not in any category yet.
Should we add it to NoRealLife.Too Controversial?
Edited by StewieGriffin34 on Mar 20th 2023 at 2:21:09 PM
He/they | Mostly here on my free days
Angry babby
Sounds like the best place to put it.
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
The Enforcer
I know we discussed Reincarnation a while back and I did a cleanup purging general RL examples and moving the religiously based ones to Religion and Mythology, but we agreed not to crowner it because that would basically be declaring folks' religions wrong. So, why is it listed on Impossible in Real Life despite having a RL section? Did it get crownered previously? Related tropes Reincarnation Romance and Reincarnated as the Opposite Sex are also listed there under "reincarnation isn't real".
Edited by NonexistentYeets on Mar 20th 2023 at 3:12:41 PM
they/them pronouns. Look at my Neocities.
Probably would be a good idea to add Too Common to both Boring, but Practical and Awesome, but Impractical's crowner options since that was the original reason they were brought up.
The Enforcer
Persona Non Grata has a very long section with multiple subdivisions, suggesting it's too common. People do get kicked out of places. Also, many of the examples appear to be excuses to list Lists of Transgressions from various bands, conventions, etc.
they/them pronouns. Look at my Neocities.
(she/her)
^^ That's done.
Macron's notes
Chew.
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Persona Non Grata also seems like it's Too Controversial and Gossip. A lot of the so-called "bans", particularly on the city or state scale, aren't enforced (or even enforceable), so they don't even really count. "People get banned from social media" is definitely Too Common.
Re: Reincarnation, I agree with your logic - all valid "real life" examples on those tropes should go under Religion/Mythology, but to put them under NRLEP - Impossible is needlessly cruel to RL religions. Perhaps, if they get out of hand, they could get NRLEP'd under a different subset, but I'm not certain which would apply. Maybe Too Controversial?
Edited by MissConduct on Mar 20th 2023 at 7:11:33 AM
Koichi really steals? No dignity.
The Enforcer
I'm also just confused about it being NRLEP'd in the first place since we decided not to crowner it and it has a real life section. It seems to be a misuse of the section.
Cake's just a shot away. (he/him)
Re: Government-Exploited Crisis:
Added it to NoRealLife.Too Controversial since the fact that it was launched as NLREP right out of the gate means it can be indexed right away.
You can't always get what you want.
The Enforcer
Hard-Drinking Party Girl is a stereotype and the examples are inviting gossiping about real people's substance use.
they/them pronouns. Look at my Neocities.
Adam
Common Nonsense Jury doesn't have any RL examples right now, but considering that any potential RL examples are a ROCEJ violation waiting to happen, I think it should probably stay that way.
Speaking of court tropes, I'm not sure why Frivolous Lawsuit still has a RL page, considering, Truth in Television aside, a lot of the examples there are honestly on the complainy side, even if one agrees with them, not to mention, like Common Nonsense Jury, it invites the mockery and derision of real people; regardless of whether or not they deserve it, is that really something that reflects well on this site?
Catch me where? See my profile!
Since Common Nonsense Jury has no RL section yet, it's none of our business at the moment. Frivolous Lawsuit, on the other hand, looks like it's chock full of gossip with a spoonful of controversy. Anyone else want to weigh in on this?
Edit: That "aversions" section can be snipped right away because the trope isn't omnipresent.
Edited by badtothebaritone on Mar 21st 2023 at 12:28:48 PM
Everything is Everything
I would like to suggest Homophobic Hate Crime on the grounds of being too common. There are some examples under real life already, but the other wiki's section of it is too long, and depressing.
Edited by Erin582 on Mar 22nd 2023 at 8:28:45 AM
I can't deal with these forums; they anger up the blood too much.
The Enforcer
Resist the Beast is about supernatural monsters and evil alter egos, making it both impossible and morality-adjacent.
they/them pronouns. Look at my Neocities.
Chew.
Frivolous Lawsuit probably has a Narrative component (the lawsuits in fiction are framed by the narrative as frivolous, while in the real world the plaintiffs always sue for a reason that is logical to them even if not to anyone else), and definitely Too Controversial and Too Common, and also a little Gossipy; it's a bit of a "point and laugh" page ("Look at these idiots wasting peoples' time and money! Let's treat them with scorn!") as well.
Homophobic Hate Crime is, unfortunately, Too Common, and Hate Crimes Are a Special Kind of Evil, its supertrope, is already NRLEP for Too Controversial.
Resist the Beast is, like They Would Cut You Up, a fantastical trope. I'd crowner all three.
Koichi really steals? No dignity.
i dont think Frivolous Lawsuit is worthy to be removed. it doesnt feel like a mock page. there are notable instances, too, like the Guinness World Record for filing the most frivolous lawsuits and the controversy around the McDonald's coffee affecting IRL lawsuits
hail, holy queen of the sea, you're whirling-in-rags, you're vast and you're sad
I agree with that the page doesn't really mock the people it talks about, but it still feels rather gossipy in its current state with all the celebrity garbage. Maybe limiting it to the more notable cases would be best.
Edited by badtothebaritone on Mar 22nd 2023 at 4:32:58 AM
Chew.
I'm going to disagree and say that a decent number of the Frivolous Lawsuit examples are calling out the plaintiffs. There's a fair bit of calling people laughing stocks and mocking their poor grammar; at least I think we can all agree that the users adding these examples weren't fond of the plaintiffs. I also think it's being somewhat misused - not every swiftly dropped lawsuit was frivolous.
Koichi really steals? No dignity.
I fix my examples all the time
Barrier Maiden has two Real Life examples, but it seems to fall under Narrative, Characterization, And Plot Tropes.
Graffiti Wall
Chew.
Agreed, Barrier Maidens usually have supernatural powers which also makes me think there's an Impossible element to it.
Call a Rabbit a "Smeerp" and Call a Smeerp a "Rabbit" both have RL examples, and both of them are Narrative/Characterization to me. The latter trope in particular is also Impossible because it's about giving normal names to imaginary animals/things.
Edited by MissConduct on Mar 25th 2023 at 9:31:46 AM
Koichi really steals? No dignity.
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and here). The content policy prohibits pornographic films from being listed as works, and other related tropes (such as Parallel Porn Titles and Porn Names) have already been declared NRLEP to remove references to them. Added to Crowner Feb 26, 2024 (CLOSED)
I stumbled across Secretary of Evil, which currently has a single real life example. Obviously it's a morality trope.
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