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Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
The Enforcer
Here's the sandbox for potentially salvageable under other tropes/Analysis pages stuff from Trademark Favorite Food.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Sandbox/TrademarkFavoriteFoodCleanup
Due to the earlier confusion, I'd like to propose an addition to the sticky:
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Thoughts?
I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
The Draftsman of Doom
So, for me, as long as the food preference is part of a performance persona, it's Kosher.
Same with Does Not Like Spam.
Rawr.
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looks good to me.
reposting my Cue the Flying Pigs analysis on the new page since it got lost under the TFF discussion:
- A spoof news story from 2002: "Pigs flying over the frozen landscape of hell reported that online retailer Amazon.com turned in the first profit in its history on Tuesday, just moments after the sun set in the East." spoof articles aren't real life
- Before Eurovision Song Contest 2006, after a Finnish metal band was announced, it was said that "Hell will freeze over before Finland wins". Finland got 292 points, at that time the highest number on record. unless it can be shown that hell froze over, not this trope
- Perhaps ironically, the Finnish band was Lordi, which was almost not admitted due to accusations of Satanism. Definitely ironically, the song with which they won was "Hard Rock Hallelujah", which the band's "face", Mr. Lordi, used as proof that they're not Satanic. natter
- According to a pre-2006 Russian joke: "At -10 degrees Celsius, heating is switched on in British homes, while Finns change into a long-sleeved shirt. At -20, Austrians fly to Málaga, while Finns celebrate midsummer. At -200, Hell freezes over and Finland wins the Eurovision Song Contest. At -273 absolute zero temperature is reached, all atom movement ceases. The Finns shrug and say: 'Perkele, a bit chilly today, isn't it?'" could be moved to Jokes section
- Given the number of Finnish metal bands, especially with the country's relatively small population, this was probably inevitable. natter
- Appropriate headlines were done when Apple, after years of claiming the Apple Macintosh's PowerPC processors could "toast" the Intel Pentium, switched the entire line to Intel processors in 2005-2006. what headlines? without them this isn't an example.
- The late James Randi presented Pigasus Awards (Pig + Pegasus) each year for paranormal fraud in several categories. not really this trope, is it?
- Hunter S. Thompson and the Battle of Aspen. Thompson ran for Sheriff of Pitkin County, Colorado, of which Aspen is the county seat. Folks said that the long-haired hippie-types who formed the "Freak Power" movement to elect Thompson would win when pigs flew, or some such. Thompson shaved his (already balding) head, and began referring to the crew-cut Republican candidate as "my long-haired opponent". not this trope
- The New Orleans Saints for the most part were one of the worst NFL teams; some exclaiming that "Pigs Would Fly" if the Saints went to the Super Bowl. However, the Saints' fortunes have changed for the better and in 2010, the Saints finally got the right to play in the Super Bowl, which Saints announcer Jim Henderson then exclaimed: "Pigs have flown! Hell has frozen over! The Saints are on their way to the Super Bowl!". Later, making sure that "Pigs Were Flying" in New Orleans, the Saints would go on to win the Super Bowl. metaphorical, trope requires it to be literal
- A popular radio sportscaster in New Orleans once said that if the Saints ever made it to the Super Bowl he would wear a dress. He died before he got the opportunity, so former Saints quarterback Bobby Hebert led a drag parade in memory of this trope. maybe valid?
- 1,275 breeding pigs flown to Vladivostok. has nothing to do with the trope, just wordplay
- An Italian soccer team has embraced a variation of this trope, but with donkeys instead of pigs. Verona hosts two soccer teams: Hellas Verona and Chievo Verona. In the past decades, the first team used to play in Serie A, while the second used to play in Serie B. Supporters of Hellas Verona even made a rhyme about this: Quando i mussi i volerà / faremo il derby in serie A / e sarà sempre così / Verona in A e Chievo in B. Translated into English: When donkeys fly / we'll have a derby in Serie A / and it will always be like this / Verona in A and Chievo in B. Cue 2001, when Chievo was promoted to Serie A and went on to actually play two derbies against Verona. At this point, Chievo itself embraced the trope, inserting the picture of a flying donkey in the team's website and getting the nickname "i mussi che vola" (="the flying donkeys"). For added irony, Hellas Verona were stuck in the bottom of the third division in 2007-08 (although Chievo spent their only season outside the top flight since 2002 then- they won Serie B easily, and have remained in Serie A since 2008, in spite of a terrible start to the 2008-09 season), but survived due to the financial predicaments of others, and, in 2011, managed two promotions in 3 years to return to Serie A and take on Chievo again. needs a trim, not sure if valid
- As almost everyone knows by now, there is a town in Michigan called Hell. Being in Michigan, it has been known to freeze from time to time. There's one in Norway as well. The one in Michigan has begun to realize this, and has begun to market themselves (sigh) to Hell and back. When Caroline Rhea had her own talk show, she asked one of the town citizens if she had seen her ex-boyfriend (whom she had told to go to hell previously.) The woman said that he had enrolled in their local university, Damn U. They also sell souvenirs (Hell in a Hand Basket) and toys (Bat out of Hell) and even have an Ice Cream Parlor. maybe valid, invoked? could go under advertising?
- A man walking on the moon was another thing-that-will-never-happen until Neil Armstrong made it happen in 1969. general, unnecessary since only one sub-bullet is valid
- There's an urban legend that when Neil Armstrong was a boy, he overheard his next door neighbors arguing loudly. The wife shouted at her husband, "I'll give you oral sex when the kid next door walks on the moon!" urban legend
- Johnny Carson told America in his monologue that NBC had given him a raise. "It was in my contract that I'd get a raise when people walked on the moon." valid
- Legend has it during one batting practice early in his career, someone remarked that "they'll put a man on the moon before" then-San Francisco Giants pitcher Gaylord Perry hit a homer (major league pitchers aren't usually known for their batting prowess). The most often-cited source of the quote is Alvin Dark, who managed the Giants from 1961-1964. It's not known for sure if Dark or anyone else actually made this claim, but Perry did hit his first career homer about twenty minutes after the P.A. at Candlestick Park announced that the Eagle had landed on the moon. apocryphal
- There's an urban legend
- In Australian Rules Football, the Sydney Swans had a long losing streak in 1992-3, which ended when they beat the Melbourne Demons. The next day, a newspaper cartoon featured two demons standing in a frozen-over hell, with one saying, "Looks like the Swans finally won a game." don't think this one works, maybe in Comic Strips?
- During World War II, Brazil was in a bit of a bind—traditionally aligned with the Allies and heavily dependent on American trade, the regime at the time was authoritarian with Fascist sympathies, and as a result tried to remain neutral. As a result, the dictator Vargas said that Brazil would enter the war "when snakes smoke" (at the time a Brazilian Portuguese expression for "when pigs fly"). When Brazil actually did join the war in 1943, the Brazilian Expeditionary Force was nicknamed the Cobras Fumantes—the "Smoking Snakes". Their insignia was even a snake smoking a pipe◊. Ever since , "a cobra vai fumar!" ("snakes will smoke!") has meant "it will definitely happen, and it will be huge!" in Brazilian Portuguese. metaphorical, not literal
- Also during World War 2, Hermann Goering supposedly said, "No bomb will fall on Berlin (or, in some versions, the Ruhr). If they do, you can call me Meyer."Note German population called air raid sirens, common over most of Germany in the latter half of the war, "Meyer's trumpets" on the account of this. maybe valid, since cited
- Göring also made comments that he would eat a broomstick if enemy bombers reached Berlin. He was subsequently known as "Meyer the Broomstick". apocryphal
- It is said that before he became Emperor, Caligula met with a fortune-teller, who told him "You are as likely to rule the Roman Empire as you are to ride across the bay of Naples without getting your horse wet." When he did become emperor, he commandeered all the boats in Naples, lined them up from one side of the bay to the other, and rode his horse across them, just to spite the fortune teller. valid
- Appropriate headlines were made when Leonardo DiCaprio finally won the Oscar in 2016 (for The Revenant). low-context, probably not valid even if it had enough
- Horror punk innovators The Misfits have a long, long history of disagreements between original members Glenn Danzig and Jerry Only, including multiple lawsuits, and it was assumed that they'd never reunite again. Jump to May 2016 when it is announced that Danzig, Only, and original member Doyle Wolfgang von Frankenstein will reunite for the first time in 33 years in September. no reference to other half of the trope
- Susan Lucci was, for a time, the Distaff Counterpart to Leonardo DiCaprio. She was nominated for the Emmy 18 times for her role on All My Children without winning. Many made flying pig jokes when she did win her Emmy on nomination #19. "jokes were made" isn't the trope
- The 2016 World Series ultimately came down to a Chew Toy showdown: Cleveland Indians (last final: 1997; last title: 1948) and Chicago Cubs (last final: 1945; last title: 1908). While the mayor of Hell said the town only gets really cold by November, jokes calling it the "Hell Freezes Over series" soon emerged. In the end, the world's longest championship drought was finally over as the Cubs won in extra innings on Game 7. lots of these are just about jokes being made about things that were seen as unlikely
- On December 2 1976, London Heathrow Airport was closed by a flying pig (see the Music folder above). irrelevant, references another entry
- The Philadelphia Eagles finally won the Super Bowl in 2018 (last NFL championship 1960, seven years prior to the first Super Bowl). Against the New England Patriots. Appropriate headlines were made. "jokes were made"
- Director Werner Herzog said that he would eat his shoe if Errol Morris finished his documentary "Gates Of Heaven". Morris did, so he did. It's immortalized in the documentary Werner Herzog Eats His Shoe. valid
- On this very wiki's page for Duke Nukem Forever, it mentioned this trope saying, "When Duke Nukem Forever comes out". Turns out it actually happened. valid
- Super Smash Bros. examples:
- This trope was also quoted more than a few times, including on this very wiki, when Ridley was announced as a playable character in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate (as seen in the Quotes page for this trope). Previous installments had not featured him as playable in part because the developers presumably couldn't get him to work properly as a fighter due to his greater size relative to most of the other fighters. When he did finally become playable, celebrations broke out. Similar claims have also been made regarding other unlikely candidates being announced in Smash Bros. since then, including King K. Rool (who hadn't been seen in a video game since 2008 and Banjo and Kazooie (who had been absent for nine years since their appearance in a game at all following the Xbox 360 version of Sonic & Sega All Stars Racing, and hadn't shown up on a Nintendo console since the 2005 Game Boy Advance game Banjo Pilot, the last Banjo-Kazooie game on a Nintendo console). "jokes were made", way too rambly even if it was valid
- An interesting variant happened with this guy, who said that if Sora was not the final DLC fighter, he would take a bite out of his Kingdom Hearts disc. Then Sora was actually revealed, as the final DLC fighter. the... likely outcome happened? this isn't this trope
- Prior to any of those examples, Cloud Strife's reveal for 3DS/Wii U solicited this reaction due to his limited appearances on Nintendo consoles, and that his home game hadn't been on a Nintendo console at that point (which eventually happened on the Nintendo Switch). solicited what reaction? also, "jokes were made"
- Incidentally, the first airborne living cargo might have been a pig. John Moore-Barbazon, 1st Baron Brabazon of Tara brought one when using an airplane in 1909. irrelevant wordplay
- This was the reaction of a lot of computer users given Microsoft's openness to Linux in the late '10s, hosting Linux servers on its Azure cloud computing service and releasing its Windows Subsystem for Linux. It happened again with Richard Stallman giving a talk at Microsoft headquarters in 2019. "jokes were made"
- In a literal sense, the city of Cincinnati in Ohio hosts an annual marathon called Flying Pig. So, on a day early in May every year over there, someone Cues the Flying Pig! irrelevant wordplay
- In October 2019 Denise Kirby, a DUI lawyer from Kansas City, was told that a case she was scheduled to defend was set for February 3, 2020, and she asked to reschedule that trial because she said that she would be in Miami on that date to watch the Kansas City Chiefs play in the Super Bowl. The courtroom laughed, as the NFL season wasn't even halfway done and the Chiefs, while looking promising with a young athletic quarterback in Patrick Malhomes, hadn't been to a Super Bowl in fifty years; nonetheless, the judge said that if they did make it she would be granted continuance. Lo and behold, the Chiefs make it to the Super Bowl after beating the Tennessee Titans in the AFC Championship Game on January 19, Kirby filed the pleading for the continuance, and it was granted. Presumably she spent February 3 partying all night after the Chiefs defeated the San Francisco 49ers in the Super Bowl. maybe valid, needs a trim
Edited by ChloeJessica on Dec 23rd 2022 at 10:37:55 AM
The Enforcer
Looks good re: the crownering sticky. Also, cleaned up the animal examples on Trademark Favorite Food Cleanup. Does it look okay? I got the template of an Analysis page listing common instances/types of a trope from the likes of O.O.C. Is Serious Business.
Re: Trademark Favorite Food, I do agree on folks incorporating it into their personae being valid, but I don't see a reason for that to be Real Life as opposed to being filed under Web Original, Stand-Up Comedy, etc. for the person's work.
Edited by NonexistentYeets on Dec 23rd 2022 at 1:39:09 PM
they/them pronouns. Look at my Neocities.
Bonnie's Artistic Cousin
Looks good, Chloe.
As for TFF, I can agree that "persona" examples may be valid, but do those count as "real life" since they're not the real creator saying it?
Current Project: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
The Draftsman of Doom
Chloe: I suggest only allowing verified examples to the page which have been historically documented.
If they incorporate an actual food preference into their performance, it kinda blurs the line.
I agree that they can go to their home medium.
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I mean a food preference or bias they really have which they exaggerate/play up for performance purposes.
Edited by SkyCat32 on Dec 23rd 2022 at 1:44:47 PM
Rawr.
Bonnie's Artistic Cousin
Not really? I mean of course it will be an "actual food", unless you're talking specifically about a brand.
This sort of thing does tend to be tricky because we don't typically have folders for "creators".
Edited by WarJay77 on Dec 23rd 2022 at 1:42:04 PM
Current Project: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
x5 Looks good to me as well.
The Enforcer
Did my best at trimming down the People - In General examples on Trademark Favorite Food Cleanup to 1 bullet/subculture and on things that are actual subcultures that get depicted in media. The question is whether there are enough examples of those to warrant their own trope.
The Regions and Nations bit is much thornier; I'm not totally sure how to approach it because there's so much there and a lot of it is territory I'm not as familiar with.
they/them pronouns. Look at my Neocities.
The Draftsman of Doom
As I was trying to say, if a performer has an actual food bias they incorporate into their performance, whether exaggerated or merely played up a little, it's Kosher, but it blurs the line. Also, Mara Wilson's exaggerated love of saltines can probably go to a blog section.
Rawr.
If the food bias is part of a performance, then it goes under the folder of the performer (Standup comic, web video, etc).
I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
Any other thoughts on my proposed addition to the sticky? Before I holler a mod to add?
The Draftsman of Doom
I think the addition is reasonable.
Lucas the Dreamer
Heroic Self-Deprecation is a morality trope with a Real Life folder. The first entry is Winston Churchill (who was someone a good chunk of people agree was nowhere near being a good person).
Why waste time when you can see the last sunset last?
(she/her)
Before I add the requested additions to the sticky, I need to know where to place it as I think it would some of the information on the OP as redundant.
Edited by MacronNotes on Dec 23rd 2022 at 10:53:10 AM
Macron's notes
She / Her
I agree to making that NRLEP because that's a morality trope.
How about we replace:
- 2:1 ratio needed for NRLEP
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
With:
Before adding to the crowner:
- The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
- There must be support from others in thread.
- Any objections should be addressed.
- Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.
When adding to the crowner:
- Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasonss for crownering (Too Common, Gossip, Narrative etc) and the date added.
- Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
In order for a crowner to pass:
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- There must be a 2:1 ratio
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
- Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP index
- Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page
Re: Heroic Self-Deprecation isn't a morality trope, it's a Narrative trope, as having a hero requires a storyline. So of course there is iffiness on calling RL people heroes/heroic.
I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
Lucas the Dreamer
Can we also define “General Examples” better since real life examples are very prone to them and it’s difficult to tell what does and does not count.
Why waste time when you can see the last sunset last?
(she/her)
^^^ Added to the OP.
I don't think we have to get into that with the OP. I don't think there's room for it. At the very least, we can cite general examples as a common issue.
I personally don't think they are that hard to spot? General examples in RL section usually includes a group multiple groups of things/individuals.
Macron's notes
Mr. Nobody
StockParodyJokes.Other Media has a folder for Real Life People. Does anyone else find its presence to be questionable?
Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
I feel like Sore Loser should be No Real Life as calling someone that can readily cause controversies and edit warring, especially if it is a politician- but even something like a contestant on a reality show or whatever can cause such. By the trope’s very nature, it is passing judgement on a person, which I am fairly certain is forbidden for real life sections.
Edited by MasterN on Dec 24th 2022 at 6:47:33 AM
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
It's either real or it's a dream
I'm one of two minds: On one hand, when a public figure is notable enough you do hear those same few stock jokes (From the page itself: Michael Bay loves explosions, M. Night Shyamalan loves twists, Donald Trump is orange and has tiny hands, etc.) over and over. On the other, it can be an easy way to just make fun of actual people and groups, such as this entry:
- Every republican is a middle-aged old-fashioned straight cis-gendered white man who demonizes Democrats for doing anything and cares less about the people and the country and more about themselves. This got especially bad after Donald Trump was elected for president, where both he and a bunch of his supporters acted exactly like that, much to the chagrin of other republicans who were against or even in support of Trump.
Crown Description:
Vote up to either forbid all real life examples (No Real Life Examples Please) or forbid real life examples for specific subjects (Limited Real Life Examples Only); vote down to Keep Real Life Examples. To add a trope to a No Real Life Examples Please index or the Limited Real Life Examples Only index, its crowner option must meet the following criteria:- Stable 2:1 ratio needed for NRLEP or LRLEO
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple of extra days to see if more votes come in.
If we crowner TFF, then the entire page would get cut. Of course if you want to move salvageable stuff to a sandbox while you get a new trope up and running (or whatever the final destination would be) that would be best.
So I'm adding Trademark Favorite Food now, will advertise the two tropes on ATT shortly.
I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me