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Real Life section maintenance (including NRLEP and LRLEO) (New Crowner 9/20/25)

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Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the staff to add the trope via this thread.

This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.

Common problems include:

Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.

If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.

If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.

Before adding to the crowner:

  • The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
  • There must be support from others in thread.
  • Any objections should be addressed.
  • Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.

When adding to the crowner:

  • Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
  • Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
  • An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).

In order for a crowner to pass:

  • Must have been up for a minimum of a week
  • There must be a 2:1 ratio
  • If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
  • Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP or LRLEO index
  • Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page

Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need a crowner vote.

As per Real Life Troping, we never trope unscripted real life sports — so sports tropes where RL examples would only apply to those scenarios don't need a crowner vote.

Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.

After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.

NRLEP tag:

%% Trope was declared Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

LRLEO tag:

%% Trope was declared Administrivia/LimitedRealLifeExamplesOnly via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%The following restrictions apply: [list restriction(s) here]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

Notes:
  • This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
  • Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
  • As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
  • The [[noreallife]] tag no longer works. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. Per word of admin as of 2025, any replacement for this system will not use markup, so these tags can be removed.
  • If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the staff to add the trope via this thread.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 3rd 2025 at 6:31:00 AM

videogmer314 from that one place Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#1326: Apr 11th 2013 at 10:08:06 PM

Nominating Jumping Off the Slippery Slope. It seems like every single evil trope we have has been in this thread at some point.

Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
#1327: Apr 12th 2013 at 6:41:05 AM

^ Well, for some people their lives aren't ruined enough... grin

/joke

Anyway...

Calling:

  • Axe-Crazy - Added 23rd Mar '13 at 08:44:45 AM, 12:0
  • Yellow Peril - Added 26th Mar '13 at 10:15:02 PM, 11:0

All your safe space are belong to Trump
Chelzero Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
#1328: Apr 13th 2013 at 9:33:55 PM

Self-Deprecation has a lot of general entries that doesn't explain themselves and honestly seems like in-jokes. The ones attributed to specific person are generally okay, but can I cut the non-specific ones?

My secondary account for (mainly) non-serious forum activity.
Chelzero Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
#1329: Apr 13th 2013 at 9:36:25 PM

okay, I was supposed to post [up] in my other account, but for some reason the server refuses to acknowledge that it was posted by me and I can't edit it, so let me just say that I'm not sockpuppeting.

Edit: and I can edit this post? Hmm, weird.

edited 13th Apr '13 9:39:08 PM by Chelzero

My secondary account for (mainly) non-serious forum activity.
videogmer314 from that one place Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#1330: Apr 13th 2013 at 10:11:27 PM

[up] That's probably related to how you entered your username when you logged in. It has to match case for you to edit your post.

Chelzero Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
#1331: Apr 14th 2013 at 1:08:04 AM

[up] That shouldn't have been a problem; I tried to edit it straight after posting, and then posted the next post after that without logging out. Oh well, I can't do anything about it now.

My secondary account for (mainly) non-serious forum activity.
Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
#1332: Apr 14th 2013 at 5:46:23 AM

Getting back to the purpose of this thread, which isn't account issues... tongue

Self-Deprecation does need some cleaning of its RL section (I just glanced at it, but it looked like some missed the "self" part, and others are too generic to count as examples), but as the Take That! of the entries that actually count for the trope is aimed at the speaker (hence the "self"), it doesn't have the problems of a plain old Take That!, which is usually aimed at someone other than the speaker.

In short: I don't think it needs to be NRLEP.


And while I'm here, calling Jumping Off the Slippery Slope - Added 11th Apr '13 at 10:08:38 PM, 11:0

edited 14th Apr '13 5:46:46 AM by Nohbody

All your safe space are belong to Trump
Renelia from Inside a box Since: Jan, 2010
#1333: Apr 15th 2013 at 7:51:39 PM

Nominating Draco in Leather Pants and Not Evil, Just Misunderstood for NRLEP. Here's why:

Draco in Leather Pants: Despite this is a fanfic/fanwork only trope, I feel that adding real life examples to this page is just asking for trouble. It's also a way of calling a real life person a villain.

Not Evil, Just Misunderstood: Villain/Evil trope. Putting a real life person as this would be Flame Bait for political and other reasons.

Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
#1334: Apr 21st 2013 at 9:30:45 AM

^ FYI, you can add entries yourself if you want, just drop a line on this thread that you have added them, so people know what to look for.

Like the entries I just added for those two. smile

edited 21st Apr '13 9:31:43 AM by Nohbody

All your safe space are belong to Trump
Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
#1335: Apr 21st 2013 at 9:34:22 AM

And on another note, am I just being overly sensitive, or should Take That! and its subtropes be considered for NRLEP? I had thought that Take That! was NRLEP, but apparently it isn't. Just as this wiki isn't for calling people evil/villains, it seems to me to be inappropriate to use it for potshots at RL people, either directly or indirectly ("X said Y, which I just happen to agree with", basically).

All your safe space are belong to Trump
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1336: Apr 21st 2013 at 9:36:54 AM

Courtesy link: TakeThat.Real Life. I see it mostly being used as "This item makes a jab at this other thing".

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
#1337: Apr 26th 2013 at 12:46:13 AM

Calling:

And while I do have a trope to propose, now that the above are done should we consider making a new crowner? There's only 12 items total (four not clearing the listing hurdle), but the crowner has been up for 2 months now (part of that with crowners shut down, granted).

edited 26th Apr '13 12:47:58 AM by Nohbody

All your safe space are belong to Trump
Nocturna Since: May, 2011
#1338: Apr 26th 2013 at 7:13:42 AM

I'd be fine with making a new crowner.

LordGro (Old as dirt)
#1339: Apr 27th 2013 at 12:17:58 AM

Inspirationally Disadvantaged has a Real Life folder despite being on the No Real Life Examples Please index. It was added to the index by Moguie on January the 3rd '13.

It seems the decision hasn't been called in this thread, and the crowner has been swapped since. I am going to delete the RL section, on the understanding that there was a vote and Moguie just forgot to remove the folder.

Nocturna Since: May, 2011
#1340: Apr 27th 2013 at 1:12:43 AM

I just checked the crowners. It was never voted on. (For future reference, the list of crowners can be found on Keep Real Life Examples.)

edited 27th Apr '13 1:13:40 AM by Nocturna

Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
#1341: Apr 27th 2013 at 6:05:55 AM

^ At the risk of making things too long, perhaps that page should be wicked in the crowner description for easy reference?

If not, I'll cope (hello, Mr. Watchlist tongue ), but it seems to me that would be helpful.

All your safe space are belong to Trump
Nocturna Since: May, 2011
#1342: Apr 27th 2013 at 3:00:26 PM

[up] Do I seem like an idiot if I say I never even thought of putting it in the crowner description?

It's done.

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#1343: Apr 28th 2013 at 9:46:13 PM

What crowner are we using? Evil Has a Bad Sense of Humor is an evil trope with Real Life examples. Does it need more explaining?

Check out my fanfiction!
Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
#1344: Apr 29th 2013 at 4:02:29 AM

^ Just made a new crowner, found here, with that as an entry.

[edit]
[down] Yeah, thought of that. Not entirely sure of how to handle it since things are b0rked. sad

edited 29th Apr '13 4:09:35 AM by Nohbody

All your safe space are belong to Trump
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1345: Apr 29th 2013 at 4:06:09 AM

Ahem, hooked crowners still don't work.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Telcontar In uffish thought from England Since: Feb, 2012
In uffish thought
#1346: Apr 29th 2013 at 5:58:27 AM

The current hooked crowner's options aren't shown, so I think it's fine to leave it hooked. I have changed the link in its description to the current actual crowner. Should be fine, though if anyone has an alternate arrangement to suggest, go for it.

That was the amazing part. Things just keep going.
Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
#1347: Apr 29th 2013 at 8:11:58 AM

^ I can't think of any other option, off the top of my head. I did holler to have the thread title updated with the new date, though, [edit]and updated the Keep Real Life Examples page to reflect the just-finished crowner[/edit].

edited 29th Apr '13 8:17:29 AM by Nohbody

All your safe space are belong to Trump
XFllo There is no Planet B from Planet A Since: Aug, 2012
There is no Planet B
#1348: May 1st 2013 at 2:10:58 PM

Happily Married bothers me a bit. The description says this: Despite some fiction likening this to a Discredited Trope, a lot of people out there would call this Truth in Television, which is why we won't list all those examples. (Congrats to you!)

I thought that meant No Real Life Examples Please as there are too many of them, and honestly, not that interesting like from fiction. However, the page doesn't have no-reall-life mark-up and now it has its own sub-page.

Should that sub-page be cut? Or do you want to keep it?

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#1349: May 1st 2013 at 2:13:51 PM

I can't imagine how a listing of well known people who are "happily married" is in any way relevant to the wiki's mission, nor is it particularly interesting.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1350: May 1st 2013 at 2:23:17 PM

Yeah, marriages sometimes are happy. Anything worth talking about?

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

Projects: Long Term/Perpetual: Real Life Section Maintenance
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Crown Description:

Vote UP to cut real life examples; vote DOWN to keep.

Anything marked DONE has been resolved.

In order for a crowner to pass:

  • Must have been up for a minimum of a week
  • There must be a 2:1 ratio
  • If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
  • Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP or LRLEO index
  • Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page

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