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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 3rd 2025 at 6:31:00 AM

laserviking42 from End-World Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
#11126: Mar 29th 2022 at 4:16:15 PM

It was discussed earlier, apparently not crownered until today.

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#11129: Mar 30th 2022 at 12:45:01 PM

Well, at least two people agree with you that it should be on the crowner so you can go ahead and add it as it's been discussed already.

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laserviking42 from End-World Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
#11130: Mar 30th 2022 at 12:50:21 PM

I just added it, I actually meant to earlier but got distracted by shiny objects.

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#11131: Mar 31st 2022 at 6:35:02 PM

hopeless war has problems with its real life section. its bloated with some questionable examples.

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#11132: Apr 1st 2022 at 11:30:35 AM

To illustrate the above point about Hopeless War:

    Real Life 
  • The Soviet military theorist Alexander Svechin separated all wars into two categories: 'Wars of Annihilation' whose outcome was chiefly determined by the military efficiency of the combatant organisations, and ''Wars of Attrition' whose outcomes were chiefly determined by said organisations capacity for replacing their losses. If the combatants have sufficient military efficiency, replacement capacity, and political will to prosecute it until the final victory/defeat then an Attritional conflict can be utterly ruinous even for the victor.
  • The War of the Triple Alliance. Paraguay decided that it would be a good idea to invade Brazil and crushed their army. Then, as if that wasn't enough, they went to war with Argentina and Uruguay at the same time. Paraguay won early victories, but ground down over six years. The war only ended with the complete conquest of Paraguay by the Alliance and the death of their dictator. Over half of the prewar population of Paraguay died before they finally surrendered. It got to the point where the Roman Catholic Church decided to allow polygyny (the "multiple wife" type of polygamy) because so many men had died there weren't enough husbands.
  • The American Civil War was initiated by the Confederates under the presumption that it would be a quick and decisive engagement. By no means was it imagined just how long it would drag on, resulting in tens of thousands of casualties even for the most strategically insignificant of skirmishes such as at Gettysburg, and result in the absolute economic deconstruction of the South, resulting in an After the End scenario whose aftershocks continue to reverberate to this day.
    • Union chief of staff Winfield Scott predicted at the beginning of the war that it would last four years and require a complete blockade of the South, along with a slow strangulation accompanied by massive battles of attrition. This was derided by just about everybody as the "Anaconda Strategy" and Scott was soon ousted from command. As it happened, the war followed his prediction in almost exact detail.
    • The war might have been over soon had the North been adequately prepared for war. Instead they were caught on the wrong foot after the Confederates attacked Fort Sumter. The War department headed by the corrupt and incompetent Simon Cameron failed to meet the challenge for immediate mobilization and organization.
    • If you watch the excellent Ken Burns documentary about the war, you can't help but wonder how many excellent opportunities to win the war right then and there George B. McClellan squandered throughout the first years of the war. True, Lee was a competent military leader, but more often than not all his competence got him was getting away, bleeding the (superior) Union forces and living to fight another day. Once competent commanders were put in command on the Union side (Sherman, Grant etc.) the economic, manpower and technological advantages of the North began manifesting themselves in Curb-Stomp Battle s, though the South always remained a dangerous foe in every individual battle.
    • After a while, the South's goal wasn't even to win, but instead to achieve recognition of the Confederacy by European powers (similar to what the United States itself did in the Revolution). They almost got that... and then Antietam ended in a draw and Lincoln used the opening to release the Emancipation Proclamation. Suddenly the Confederacy lost every chance of such recognition; if Britain or France recognized them as a sovereign country, they would be declaring support for slavery, which was something they would never do. This left the South's only hope with Northern stupidity, and after 1863 that was in short supply. And then a few months later their attempt to break the Union's will to fight by raiding Washington backfired with the decisive Union victory at Gettysburg rallying support for the war (with the final Confederate charge in that battle frequently referred to by historians as their "high water mark").
  • During The French Revolution, the uprising of the Vendée against the National Convention. If it wasn't this from the start it soon became this. An assemblage of badly equipped, ill-trained and badly armed peasants against the largest and in many ways most modern army in Europe. Some of the former officers and aristocrats who were asked to lead the "Royal and Catholic Army" felt compelled by their sense of honour and loyalty (to the king, the church, or their fellow Vendéans), but had no illusions how it would end. For instance, Maurice Gigost d'Elbée said: "it's the fight of the earthen pot against the iron pot".
  • Napoléon Bonaparte's final campaign leading to his defeat at Waterloo. For all that the day was won by the resolve of The Duke of Wellington and Blucher's arrival as well as Napoleon losing his edge finally, the campaign was hampered from the start by the fact that Napoleon's army hadn't recovered from the Russian invasion as well as the 1813 Battle of Leipzig. Their only hope was for Napoleon to somehow pull off a stunning victory and this time the magic was gone.
  • The guerrilla campaign the last remnants of the Republican forces carried still out until 1949 after the Spanish Civil War.
  • A lot of the countries that Germany invaded and occupied during the opening year of World War II felt as though they were trapped in an example of this trope. Many of them surrendered after very short periods of time - epitomised by Denmark who, knowing that their small area and very flat terrain would make the Germans' task incredibly easy, surrendered after just TWO HOURS in order to spare their people the pain of a war that they didn't have a hope in hell of winning.
  • The last leg of World War II was a pretty good example for the Nazis. The foot soldiers obeyed Hitler till the bitter end, despite knowing fully well that German defeat was inevitable. Any government and people not convinced that they were about to be exterminated by near-human beasts (i.e. the Communist 'Asiatic hordes' under Jewish domination) would have sued for peace. Compare this to the end of World War I, when the previous German government chose surrender when it became clear that they were less than a year (at best, and six months at worst) from total military defeat; sparing their country the ravages of a drawn-out war on their own soil, but also conceding to the monetarily crippling and emotionally humiliating terms of the Treaty of Versailles. The consequences of this decision was the creation of the Weimar Republic.
  • Japan at the end of WWII. By the end, they were literally fighting the whole world. Germany had surrendered and Italy, along with others of Japan's allies, had pulled a Heel–Face Turn, leaving Japan to fight on alone against The Allies. This was the phase of the war that added the world 'Kamikaze' to the English language. Even after Hiroshima and Nagasaki, several generals had an audience with the Emperor wherein they demanded the right to fight on. The reason why the Emperor surrendered remain a subject of debate but it's possible the Soviet invasion of Japan played a part (better occupation by the US than occupation by the Soviets). It's certain, however, that the realization that his enemy had the original Weapon of Mass Destruction and he didn't, and could never get it in time, had a rather large influence on the Emperor.
    • Recently released documents showed that Japan's high command realized that the war was lost as early as the end of the Guadalcanal campaign (February 1943), but they kept fighting because they couldn't see a way of ending the war without losing face. So the war continued for another two and a half years until the atomic bomb placed them in a situation where they could no longer pretend that they still had a chance.
    • WWII was this for Germany and Japan as a whole on a larger scale; in the long term, their early successes could almost be described as illusory and postponing (and worsening) the inevitable. The Soviet Union, after the sudden end of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, alone outproduced Nazi Germany by a factor of 6 to 1, to name just one Allied Power.
  • The Iran–Iraq War of the 1980s, a decade long stalemate which achieved absolutely nothing. Saddam's Iraqi military was too hopelessly corrupt and unmotivated to make any headway despite adopting chemical weapons, and too much of the Iranian military was inexperienced and ill-trained for them to make any headway either despite their superior staffwork and motivation. When one side is gassing villages and the other is sending runners to clear landmines by foot, neither side is expressing much hope for the aftermath.
  • The Bosnian War was this for the Bosniaks until 1994. After being abandoned by Serbia and the combined Bosniak-Croat offensive it briefly became this for the Republika Srpska with a little subversion: The Bosnian Serbs returned in time to the negotiation table and got the best outcome of the war.
  • Pretty much the entirety of Native American interaction with the colonizing Europeans on two continents. Attempts by native populations to resist European colonization and maintain self rule were ultimately hopeless in the long run regardless of any transitory victories, given disparities like the Europeans' technological edge and their introduction of new diseases.
    • Smallpox is one of those diseases and one that can destroy an army. It's estimated that smallpox killed about 90% of the North and South American Indigenous populations during the early parts of the the Age of Exploration.
  • The Western Front of World War I seemed like this for years. There were great offensives on both sides, millions died, but the front lines didn't move. It took a series of events, Russian and Italian victories against Germany's allies, the arrival of the United States, the October Revolution and the Spring Offensive to force Germany to surrender.
  • The Italian front of World War I. For the Italians, because their officers would continuously send them attacking well-fortified Austro-Hungarian positions uphill in the face of large artillery and machine gun concentrations. For the Austro-Hungarians, because no matter how many Italians died in futile attacks, they could replenish their losses (in fact the Italian commander in chief Cadorna, knowing that his army was underequipped due to endemic corruption in the bureaucracy and the only previous commander in chief who understood modern weapons died of heart attack before he could make any impact, was counting on this) while the Austrians couldn't, and Italian artillery was superior and growing. Then, thanks to the Russian collapse freeing up the troops from the Eastern front and temporary German help in the form of assault troops, the Austro-Hungarians broke through Italian lines at Caporetto... And things got even worse, for them: the Germans were transferred on the Western front, the part of the offensive sent to occupy the area with most of the Italian weapon factories was obliterated on the Grappa massif by a ludicrous concentration of artillery even for Italian standards placed there exactly for that purpose, the Italians may have been at their limit of manpower but were still more numerous and, as they were now fighting for the defence of their country, had suddenly started to fight like demons, Cadorna, who was incompetent as a field commander, had been replaced by the more versatile Armando Diaz, Italian special forces started being everywhere (they even dropped leaflets on Vienna itself just to prove they could have bombed the city), and Austria-Hungary had exhausted their reserves.
  • Some see the War On Drugs as this (including some law enforcement). It must be noted that the War On Drugs is similar to the fight against crime that all countries have to deal with on one point: both are impossible to win strictly speaking and it's mostly a struggle to keep them below controllable levels for the foreseeable future. Unlike crime however, arguments against drugs are no longer as widely accepted as before with the rise of racial disparity in terms of prosecution, causing a lot of people to turn against the war on drugs like the aforementioned law enforcement of L.E.A.P..
  • Afghanistan, especially after the Wiki Leak files made it seem bleaker. There's a reason it's known as the "Graveyard of Empires"; the British, Soviets, and Americans all tried to extend their control there, only to get bogged down in an endless conflict with almost nothing to gain. There aren't many local resources of note, and its only strategic use is as a corridor between South Asia and Central Asia, hence its long status as a buffer zone between viable empires in those areas.
    • The main challenge isn't so much conquering Afghanistan but rather controlling it. The mountainous terrain and tribalism of ethnic groups resulted in a divided region hostile towards the idea of a central government. Most notably, after failing to invade Afghanistan the first time, the British managed to swiftly invade and subjugate Afghanistan in a second attempt. As for how they succeeded, it came down to the British quickly installing a puppet leader and then immediately pulling out, ensuring that they wouldn't be bogged down in an insurgency.
  • The War on Terror was devolved into unending conflict against terrorist groups. Originally aimed at combating Islamic terrorists behind the 9/11 attacks, the war soon expanded to nation-building, counter-insurgency and proxy global conflict. Yet after more than 20 years, thousands dead and trillions of dollars spent, Islamic terrorism is still rampant. Even worse, the military conflicts resulted in more terrorism with traumatized civilians turning into radicalized militants and unstable warzones becoming power vacuums for new terror groups like ISIS. At the same time, nations around the world have became more authoritarian with the use of mass surveillance, mass incarceration and militarized police at the expense of civil liberties. Much like the War on Drugs, many question whether the War on Terror will ever end or if even terrorism can be defeated with military action.
  • The Second Punic War was this for Carthage, as Rome's strategic advantage came from leading an alliance of many Italic peoples that allowed them to raise multiple armies with little trouble, an alliance that Hannibal, in spite of his efforts, could not break where it counted. This became evident after the Battle of Cannae, in which most of the Roman army was destroyed: Hannibal hoped that his victory would break the alliance and scare the Romans into suing for peace, and to make sure he sent an ultimatum to Rome, but while many Greek colonies, the Samnites and even Capua (the second largest and most prosperous city of Italy after Rome itself, and as close to be a Roman city as it could at the time without having voting rights) did switch sides and the Macedons (from Greece) saw this as the right moment to settle their own dispute with Rome's allies in Greece, the Etruscans, the Umbrians and the Latins, that is the largest (and, in the case of the Etruscans, the richest) Italic peoples and the ones placed right around Rome, remained loyal, resulting in Rome quickly raising enough troops to torment Hannibal's army with guerilla tactics and attack all of Hannibal's allies (Macedons included) and his bases in Spain and still have some spare manpower and replying to Hannibal's ultimatum by demanding the rent of the public land occupied by his camp. Then the Macedons made peace with Rome...
    • The Third Punic War even more so, from the Carthaginian perspective. Imagine the situation: your once proud civilization, which used to have a great empire stretching across your known world, has been reduced to a single city and the land immediately around it. You've been beaten, twice, by a people for whom war is the national pastime, and now they're coming to finally finish the job. Their territory covers the entire western Mediterranean, they've proven time and time again how good they are at war, and now 80,000 of them are outside the gates. When they get in - and, really, you know they will - they will kill or enslave everybody. And there is nothing you can do to stop them.
  • The Lusitanian Wars. Not matter how many victories Viriathus and the Lusitanians scored over the Romans, Rome's sheer imperial enormity and amount of resources and manpower ensured that any lost battle for them would be followed by the arrival of an even bigger, angrier army. Even worse: very unlike Arminius's cold and harsh Germania, Hispania was a succulent territory due to its immensely rich natural resources, warm climate, and political significance after the Second Punic War, which means Rome would just never give up trying to conquer it. Viriathus eventually realized this and capitalized on a particularly nasty Roman loss to impose a peace treaty that would turn the Lusitanians into free allies of Rome, hoping it to end the conflict forever, but Rome would only accept peace in their own terms and broke the treaty in less of a year. When Viriathus was murdered by his own emissaries after those were bribed by Roman general Caepio, any possible option for the Lusitanians that weren't submission and conquest was definitely gone.
    • The last phase of the Celtiberian Wars was much worse for the Numantines, as while Viriathus had at least enjoyed the support of most of his tribe and many other peoples that joined his army, this new conflict was essentially a single, insignificant city against all the power of Rome. They beat the odds many times through sheer guts and a smart usage of Numantia's natural defenses, as they had done in the past against a much less focused Rome, but when the Roman senate decided There Is No Kill Like Overkill and sent to Hispania the man who had conquered and destroyed Carthage, it became a matter of time that Numantia suffered the same fate.
  • The Jewish Revolts against the Roman Empire can be seen as this. You have on one end a group of people who are fighting for their faith, taking cities and defending them to the last man, or fighting guerrilla campaigns that needle the enemy's weak points. On the other side, you have one of the most powerful empires in existence, going to enormous lengths to bring out and break the revolting cities, up to and including moving mountains. When it ended, it resulted in the expulsion of an entire religious group, and came at a massive cost to the Roman Empire.
  • The Syrian Civil War has become one of these. The Government and allies, Rebels, the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria(ISIS) and Kurdish groups are in a war against each other with no end in sight and the Rebels themselves are not a single entity and are in fact several groups with ideologies that range from secular democratic to Islamic extremists that are no different from ISIS themselves and unsurprisingly infighting is common to the point that some fight other groups than fighting the Government or ISIS. As of 2019, the government and the Kurds are in control of 62% and 27% of the country - the largest out of all factions - and they have began pacification process between them while ISIS has largely collapsed, though several independent jihadist groups still operate independently in Syria. Everyone is willing to kill civilians to get rid of their enemies using suicide attacks, chemical weapons and shelling civilian areas without mercy just because they are under enemy control. A large amount of Syrians are either dead or fled the country and most of the country is in ruins so even if one side wins Syria will no longer be the same.
    • It is also worth noting that there are about 38 countries involved either directly (Air strikes, boots on the ground, military advisers...) or indirectly (financing and/or arming one or more of the many sides) turning this conflict into the biggest proxy war since the Cold War days.
  • Thirty Years' War was, simply put, the most devastating war ever fought on European soil (and yes, that's also counting both World Wars) and is the starting point for wide spread depictions of war as a living nightmare for good reasons. What started as a power struggle between Catholics and Protestants in the Holy Roman Empire eventually escalated into a conflict were everyone was fighting each other for territorial control and changing sides as they saw fit. Nobody was safe from the war as mercenary armies frequently raided villages to sustain their armies, causing mass starvation among the civilian population and worsening the effects of the already devastating epidemics caused by constant relocation of troops. Armies would also frequently kidnap women and children to be used as either servants or prostitutes, causing entire generations to be born fighting in constant war and knowing nothing about outside world. High desertion rates due to unpaid salaries among these armies would only cause further havoc among the civilian population as these deserters would quickly turn to banditry to make themselves a living. For a while, it really looked like it was going to become a Forever War as nobody could afford to stop the armies from fighting and it was much easier to just pay them by raiding the enemy lands over and over again. The war only stopped after the Holy Roman Emperor was forced to pay all the bills, finally giving the victors a cheap way to exit the war and pay their troops. It remains the longest continuous war ever fought and it's estimated that about 1/3 of the Holy Roman population died in the war. To put that into perspective, Nazi Germany lost about 8% of its population during World War II
  • Many people who work in social services and mental health occupations with lower-income and at-risk persons and populations, as well as those served by those workers see the struggle for mental health and personal freedom in the face of an apathetic and dehumanizing society as this trope.

laserviking42 from End-World Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
#11133: Apr 1st 2022 at 11:36:27 AM

I'm not sure what it is about military topics, but suddenly everyone is an armchair tactician ... that is alot of matter.

I'd support a crowner.

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#11134: Apr 1st 2022 at 11:39:49 AM

"Suddenly"? Have you not been reading the news lately? It's hardly surprising people suddenly have a lot of opinions about warfare.

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Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
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#11135: Apr 1st 2022 at 11:41:02 AM

In any case, the above examples fell a bit pretty shoehorned (some describe Last Stand and not a war in general) or very subjective, so I think we can vote about it.

Edited by Amonimus on Apr 1st 2022 at 9:41:12 PM

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laserviking42 from End-World Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
#11136: Apr 1st 2022 at 11:44:11 AM

These long predate the current kerfuffle, all military topics have a tendency to collect alot of matter.

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Edited by laserviking42 on Apr 1st 2022 at 2:53:44 PM

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#11139: Apr 1st 2022 at 4:04:27 PM

Oh, yes, I can agree with that. That's one of those tropes that tends to attract a lot of... gushing, shall we say. Things like military stuff and weapons and tanks get a lot of that.

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laserviking42 from End-World Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
#11140: Apr 1st 2022 at 4:29:04 PM

There seems to be agreement to at least vote on it, added to crowner.

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GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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#11142: Apr 2nd 2022 at 1:58:14 AM

Calling Buxom Is Better since it looks like nobody got around to that yesterday.

Edit: Removed the real life folder and added it to the relevant NRLEP index.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 2nd 2022 at 4:00:27 AM

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BoltDMC Since: May, 2020
#11143: Apr 2nd 2022 at 3:55:14 AM

[up][up] Yup, I’m in favor of crownering this one. A number of the examples look general, to start, and it’s full of the usual tangential blather. It can go as far as I’m concerned.

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#11145: Apr 2nd 2022 at 11:51:15 AM

We probably shouldn't have real life examples for Villain Over for Dinner:

    Real Life 
  • In Bret Hart's autobiography, he talks about how as a kid, he would watch Archie "The Stomper" Gouldie wrestle his father on television, including an angle in which Stomper broke Stu's arm, and then threatened to go to the Hart house and piledrive Bret's mom. As Bret had not been smarted up on how wrestling actually works, imagine the look of horror Bret must have had to see Stomper appear at the Hart House, only for him to hug his mother and collect his paycheck.
  • Happens sometimes with occupying forces, depending on how strict the practiced policy is on fraternization.
    • This is how a lot of war brides meet their husbands.
  • There's a rather well-known story of American colonel Francis Marion having dinner with British colonel Banastre Tarleton at Marion's swamp base during The American Revolution. A writing later told of the surprise at how the Americans were so willing to keep fighting with so few supplies or even adequate clothing at times.
  • Whitey Bulger was notorious for this sort of behavior towards the families of people had was trying to shake down, since while it was well known that he was a gangster he was also generally well liked by the residents of South Boston until the true extent of his bloodthirstiness, corruption and hypocrisy came to light after he fled town. On at least one occasion he actually picked up the victim's toddler and held her as they talked just to drive the point home. To this day many residents of South Boston tell stories about how Whitey would visit or eat dinner with their families like it was a perfectly normal thing.

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#11146: Apr 2nd 2022 at 1:31:14 PM

[up] Fine by me. The second example can be cut for being general, if nothing else.

nw09 Since: Apr, 2018
#11147: Apr 2nd 2022 at 6:21:24 PM

[up][up]Villain Over for Dinner isn't really a morality trope, since "villain" here really just means "antagonist", and people can be someone else's antagonist.

Edited by nw09 on Apr 2nd 2022 at 6:21:29 AM

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#11148: Apr 2nd 2022 at 6:22:11 PM

Not really? "Antagonist" just means someone who stands in the protagonist's way, and despite what everyone likes to think, nobody is the protagonist of real life.

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#11150: Apr 2nd 2022 at 6:28:05 PM

[up][up]Or well, enemy? Is that legitimate?

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In order for a crowner to pass:

  • Must have been up for a minimum of a week
  • There must be a 2:1 ratio
  • If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
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