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Real Life section maintenance (including NRLEP and LRLEO) (New Crowner 9/20/25)

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Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the staff to add the trope via this thread.

This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.

Common problems include:

Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.

If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.

If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.

Before adding to the crowner:

  • The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
  • There must be support from others in thread.
  • Any objections should be addressed.
  • Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.

When adding to the crowner:

  • Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
  • Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
  • An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).

In order for a crowner to pass:

  • Must have been up for a minimum of a week
  • There must be a 2:1 ratio
  • If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
  • Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP or LRLEO index
  • Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page

Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need a crowner vote.

As per Real Life Troping, we never trope unscripted real life sports — so sports tropes where RL examples would only apply to those scenarios don't need a crowner vote.

Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.

After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.

NRLEP tag:

%% Trope was declared Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

LRLEO tag:

%% Trope was declared Administrivia/LimitedRealLifeExamplesOnly via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%The following restrictions apply: [list restriction(s) here]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

Notes:
  • This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
  • Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
  • As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
  • The [[noreallife]] tag no longer works. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. Per word of admin as of 2025, any replacement for this system will not use markup, so these tags can be removed.
  • If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the staff to add the trope via this thread.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 3rd 2025 at 6:31:00 AM

laserviking42 from End-World Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
#11051: Mar 12th 2022 at 5:30:51 PM

Question, do any of the RL examples on Star Scraper seem valid? The description says the trope is for buildings so tall that physics as we understand them deem them impossible.

I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
(she/her)
#11052: Mar 12th 2022 at 5:44:00 PM

Well, the description itself says that anything above 1000 metres counts.

Edited by MacronNotes on Mar 12th 2022 at 8:44:32 AM

Macron's notes
TheLivingDrawing Lucas the Dreamer from The Town of Clayton Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Lucas the Dreamer
#11053: Mar 12th 2022 at 8:57:30 PM

[up] None of the entries actually exist though. All are theoretical at best.

Once Upon A Time.
TheLivingDrawing Lucas the Dreamer from The Town of Clayton Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Lucas the Dreamer
#11055: Mar 12th 2022 at 9:32:14 PM

Yes

Once Upon A Time.
nw09 Since: Apr, 2018
#11056: Mar 13th 2022 at 12:08:13 AM

Cosmic Plaything should go on here too.

Edited by nw09 on Mar 13th 2022 at 12:08:25 PM

IITestTubeFan from Washington State, USA (Pilot) Relationship Status: A teenager in love
#11057: Mar 13th 2022 at 12:56:48 AM

Should Silly Reason for War be a NRLEP trope?

Object show fan since 2017.
BoltDMC Since: May, 2020
#11058: Mar 13th 2022 at 5:33:34 AM

I’ll toss support for crowners for Star Scraper (none of these exist except as pipe dreams for now), Rousseau Was Right and Hobbes Was Right and Cosmic Plaything (morality tropes), and Silly Reason for War. Several of these have examples that violate Examples Are Not General, in some cases many of them.

Silly Reason for War also has a slur under the “Cracked” sub-entry.

Edited by BoltDMC on Mar 13th 2022 at 7:02:57 AM

themayorofsimpleton Short-Term Projects Herald | he/him from the Island of Koridai (Captain) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
Short-Term Projects Herald | he/him
#11059: Mar 13th 2022 at 5:42:27 AM

I actually downvoted Popularity Polynomial. I think if Condemned by History can have RL examples, so can Popularity Polynomial. I think we may just need to clean up the page/sent the trope itself to TRS. I don't think banning RL examples will help much here.

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TheLivingDrawing Lucas the Dreamer from The Town of Clayton Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Lucas the Dreamer
#11060: Mar 13th 2022 at 9:40:22 AM

At the very least should I go and cut the entry that lists Jews as a Cosmic Plaything? That seems a tad disrespectful methinks. The other example is also general so I’ll cut it as well. Also I’d argue Cosmic Plaything should be NRLEP for being impossible in real life.

Edited by TheLivingDrawing on Mar 13th 2022 at 12:43:02 PM

Once Upon A Time.
themayorofsimpleton Short-Term Projects Herald | he/him from the Island of Koridai (Captain) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
Short-Term Projects Herald | he/him
#11061: Mar 13th 2022 at 9:50:52 AM

[up]

At the very least should I go and cut the entry that lists Jews as a Cosmic Plaything? That seems a tad disrespectful methinks.

Very much so. That entry can definitely go IMO.

Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining | Troper Wall
laserviking42 from End-World Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
#11062: Mar 13th 2022 at 1:42:15 PM

I cut both of them.

I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Albert3105 Since: Jun, 2013
#11064: Mar 14th 2022 at 12:30:01 PM

(self-thumped)

Edited by Albert3105 on Mar 14th 2022 at 3:30:48 PM

nw09 Since: Apr, 2018
#11065: Mar 15th 2022 at 10:19:07 PM

Opinions on NoNameGiven.Real Life? The Ishi, Juana Maria, and Eishton examples look like they count but overall this seems like a narrative trope.

laserviking42 from End-World Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
#11066: Mar 15th 2022 at 10:40:43 PM

I would say just Ishi and Juana Maria count, Eishton has a name, we just don't know it and can be cut. The rest is the usual natter and general examples that litter RL sections and can likewise be cut.

As far as crowner ... it's not inherently a narrative trope, I don't think it needs to be made NRLEP as long as the natter can be cut on sight.

I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
randomtroper89 from The Fire Nation Since: Nov, 2010
#11067: Mar 16th 2022 at 1:00:44 AM

For Almighty Janitor we can keep the Joseph Stalin and Haakon Lie examples and cut the rest.

BoltDMC Since: May, 2020
#11068: Mar 16th 2022 at 2:49:16 PM

[up] Makes sense to me, as these are the only two examples that aren't general in nature.

randomtroper89 from The Fire Nation Since: Nov, 2010
#11069: Mar 16th 2022 at 7:34:57 PM

The only other specific example is this one.

The example states that a janitor helped out the customer but does not say how.

Actually following the link has a comment state that a janitor was able to get a complaint heard by passing a note to the company president, the implication being that he has access to the entire building.

It might count as an example, but random comments are hard to prove, only the other examples which have historical evidence.

laserviking42 from End-World Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
#11070: Mar 16th 2022 at 7:40:20 PM

[up]That's not an example. We would need more than some vague story about an unnamed employee of an unnamed company that had an unnamed janitor that handled an unnamed complaint with an unnamed president.

You need to point to specific people who did specific things in order to qualify as an example.

I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
randomtroper89 from The Fire Nation Since: Nov, 2010
#11071: Mar 17th 2022 at 12:47:47 AM

Okay, making sure.

EDIT: That's probably why the College Janitor in Iraq example was cut.

Edited by randomtroper89 on Mar 17th 2022 at 3:00:27 AM

Albert3105 Since: Jun, 2013
#11072: Mar 18th 2022 at 11:06:00 PM

Can Official Couple be moved from Too Common to the Narrative section? The trope is about a work designating a couple as such, isn't it?

nw09 Since: Apr, 2018
#11073: Mar 19th 2022 at 7:27:08 PM

[up]Yes, it should be.

Also, Young Future Famous People is in Impossible In Real Life but it seems to fit better in Narrative Characterization And Plot Tropes since of course those people were young once.

Edited by nw09 on Mar 19th 2022 at 7:40:59 AM

laserviking42 from End-World Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
#11074: Mar 19th 2022 at 7:30:04 PM

I don't understand the need to move items from one sub page of NRLEP to another, at the end of the day it's still NRLEP.

Anyways, think it's time to call the remainder of the tropes on the crowner (hour and a half shy for two of them, but by the time a mod arrives ...).

I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
Albert3105 Since: Jun, 2013
#11075: Mar 19th 2022 at 7:41:02 PM

Calling the X Was Right tropes as NRLEP and Popularity Polynomial as keep.

Cassandra Truth will need a few more days (12:5).

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Crown Description:

Vote UP to cut real life examples; vote DOWN to keep.

Anything marked DONE has been resolved.

In order for a crowner to pass:

  • Must have been up for a minimum of a week
  • There must be a 2:1 ratio
  • If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
  • Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP or LRLEO index
  • Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page

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