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Real Life section maintenance (including NRLEP and LRLEO) (New Crowner 9/20/25)

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Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the staff to add the trope via this thread.

This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.

Common problems include:

Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.

If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.

If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.

Before adding to the crowner:

  • The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
  • There must be support from others in thread.
  • Any objections should be addressed.
  • Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.

When adding to the crowner:

  • Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
  • Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
  • An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).

In order for a crowner to pass:

  • Must have been up for a minimum of a week
  • There must be a 2:1 ratio
  • If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
  • Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP or LRLEO index
  • Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page

Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need a crowner vote.

As per Real Life Troping, we never trope unscripted real life sports — so sports tropes where RL examples would only apply to those scenarios don't need a crowner vote.

Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.

After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.

NRLEP tag:

%% Trope was declared Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

LRLEO tag:

%% Trope was declared Administrivia/LimitedRealLifeExamplesOnly via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%The following restrictions apply: [list restriction(s) here]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

Notes:
  • This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
  • Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
  • As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
  • The [[noreallife]] tag no longer works. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. Per word of admin as of 2025, any replacement for this system will not use markup, so these tags can be removed.
  • If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the staff to add the trope via this thread.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 3rd 2025 at 6:31:00 AM

amathieu13 Since: Aug, 2013
#10851: Jan 20th 2022 at 9:14:27 PM

I posted about this in Trope Talk and was redirected here. To save time I'll link my post, but to sum it up this is raising the question of a pre-emptive move to make Bald Head of Toughness NRLP: Characterization Trope to avoid the kind of misuse of the trope that Bald Of Awesome suffers from, i.e. people using it to cover any person that is bald.

GiantCicada from Washington Since: Jun, 2019
#10852: Jan 20th 2022 at 10:04:18 PM

Bringing this here from the Music clean up thread: Badass Baritone is a characterization trope - a character is deliberately portrayed as a baritone to show that they're badass/manly/etc. In real life there's no narrative reason that people are baritones, so it should be NRLEP. The other pitch tropes don't seem to have any problems, but Badass Baritone has attracted a lot of examples that are basically "[Musician/Celebrity] has a deep voice."

TheLivingDrawing Lucas the Dreamer from The Town of Clayton Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Lucas the Dreamer
#10853: Jan 21st 2022 at 9:01:52 AM

Guilt-Free Extermination War is a morality trope so it should have it’s Real Life section removed. However I think one exception can stay, the eradication of a disease. Diseases are neither sentient nor sapient so I think the eradication of very deadly diseases could stay in it’s own separate “Sciences” folder.

Once Upon A Time.
Albert3105 Since: Jun, 2013
#10854: Jan 21st 2022 at 9:13:44 AM

[up] So basically a "No Real Human Examples, Please"?

BoltDMC Since: May, 2020
#10855: Jan 21st 2022 at 11:37:47 AM

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I’m fine if we crowner all three of these examples.

Edited by BoltDMC on Jan 21st 2022 at 11:38:05 AM

randomtroper89 from The Fire Nation Since: Nov, 2010
#10856: Jan 21st 2022 at 6:29:33 PM

Should Failed Future Forecast remain No real life, given the real life examples imported from the merger with The Great Politics Mess Up and Dewey Defeats Truman?

bwburke94 I am mad scientist! It's so cool! from 1.048596% (Y2: Electric Boogaloo) Relationship Status: She does the things you do, but she is an IBM
I am mad scientist! It's so cool!
#10857: Jan 21st 2022 at 6:34:25 PM

[up] No, it shouldn't. Its definition has expanded to include RL.

2025: the year it all ends?
randomtroper89 from The Fire Nation Since: Nov, 2010
#10858: Jan 21st 2022 at 9:14:11 PM

Oh yes, the No Real Life part came from Dewey Defeats Truman

Edited by randomtroper89 on Jan 28th 2022 at 7:39:13 AM

laserviking42 from End-World Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
#10859: Jan 21st 2022 at 11:33:57 PM

I would argue keeping Failed Future Forecast as NRLEP. When a work makes a prediction that doesn't come to pass, that's one thing. But do we really want a laundry list of every time someone IRL assumed the future to be one way and was proven wrong? That's something that super common to the point of not being notable.

I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#10860: Jan 22nd 2022 at 2:00:50 AM

We could file it under NoRealLife.Too Common.

Also, after the last few options are ready to call, I think it's time to replace the crowner after everything on this one is resolved.

Edit: Revised this post because I initially forgot we extended the time limit from three days to a week.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 22nd 2022 at 4:05:00 AM

I got a rock for Halloween.
WaterBlap Blapper of Water Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Blapper of Water
#10861: Jan 22nd 2022 at 9:34:14 AM

Regarding Hufflepuff House, I'd like to note that the trope itself is about when an organization is irrelevant to a story's plot (but is included in the story nonetheless to flesh out the world). However, Real Life does not have a plot. I wouldn't say this is "too controversial" inasmuch as it's a narrative trope. I just want to note this for when it inevitably gets added to the index.

Look at all that shiny stuff ain't they pretty
MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
(she/her)
#10862: Jan 22nd 2022 at 10:23:26 AM

^ I edited the crowner entry to reflect this.

^^ Yeah, after the current items on this crowner are resolved this coming week, we should make a new crowner.

Macron's notes
antenna_ears from California Since: Apr, 2020 Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
#10863: Jan 23rd 2022 at 12:01:38 AM

[up][up] Agree. I brought it up in this thread under the narrative category, but also noted how some RL entries bash on countries for not being historically important (real life history still isn’t a plot though). Whoever crownered it probably just paid more attention to the second point, but yeah, this should be No RL primarily for Narrative reasons. Thanks for mentioning that.

Edited by antenna_ears on Jan 23rd 2022 at 12:06:09 PM

laserviking42 from End-World Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
#10864: Jan 23rd 2022 at 10:00:44 PM

The RL section of Appeal to Nature is a bit of a mess as it seems to encourage people to natter on endlessly about stuff.

Should we just clean it, i.e. is it salvageable, or up and crowner it?

I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
PlasmaPower Piece of Cake. Since: Jan, 2015
Piece of Cake.
#10865: Jan 23rd 2022 at 10:40:07 PM

I don't think that Justified Criminal should have RL examples, mainly because almost any criminal could consider themselves this, whenever their cause is right or wrong.

    Real Life 
  • Reportedly two or three guys at an office felt sorry for a friend of theirs who was dying of a curable disease but had no insurance and couldn't get it because of the pre-existing condition. So they conspired to have the guy get treated by having him commit identity fraud (since they knew what he was doing and allowed it, it's identity fraud rather than identity theft) by pretending to be one of them and using his insurance. It wasn't really said why (probably because prosecuting doesn't get the insurer its money back) the insurance company agreed to let the four of them pay back the cost of the operation instead of prosecuting them for insurance fraud.
  • This is what sadly drives at least some call centre scammers into taking up fraudulent "tech support" or "IRS" calls to unwitting victims. One such example was with a scammer whom Kitboga conversed with, who admitted to have done such morally unsound deeds due to financial problems; the scammer later joined in on Kitboga's bait and even asked him to waste his supervisor's time.

Edited by PlasmaPower on Jan 23rd 2022 at 2:40:50 PM

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BoltDMC Since: May, 2020
#10866: Jan 24th 2022 at 4:35:05 AM

[up][up] Agreed. This RL thread has significant natter, ROCEJ, Examples Are Not General, and complaining issues. I say crowner it when the time comes.

[up] Also agreed. No tears shed here if it goes. Crownering it is fine by me when the time comes.

GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#10867: Jan 24th 2022 at 5:49:27 PM

Calling Hufflepuff House in favor of NRLEP. I'll take care of it.

Edit: Done. One down, two to go (before it's time for a new crowner).

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 24th 2022 at 7:53:14 AM

I got a rock for Halloween.
Hello83433 (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#10868: Jan 25th 2022 at 5:32:22 PM

I'm wondering if Absence Makes the Heart Go Yonder should be NRLEP, on account of being too common. It's real life section is small, but most of the examples are general.

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laserviking42 from End-World Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
#10869: Jan 25th 2022 at 7:40:23 PM

[up] Those were pretty bad, I went ahead and snipped them.

I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#10870: Jan 26th 2022 at 10:21:12 AM

Calling Undignified Death for Keep Real Life Examples.

I'll leave Hitler Ate Sugar alone for at least two more days because its ratio is exactly 2:1, and per the opening post, ratios of exactly 2:1 require more time than the standard one week.

Edit: The Keep Real Life Examples page still listed two unused crowners from the old system, so I removed those and added a link to the one that's currently hooked (labeled using the date it was hooked instead of the old way we named crowners).

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 26th 2022 at 12:25:46 PM

I got a rock for Halloween.
randomtroper89 from The Fire Nation Since: Nov, 2010
#10871: Jan 28th 2022 at 5:42:45 PM

Speaking of General examples, all of the real life examples in Stranger in a Familiar Land are general, except for Marco Polo.

laserviking42 from End-World Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
#10872: Jan 28th 2022 at 6:17:53 PM

[up] You can just cut those when you see them, they're already not following policy.

I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
(she/her)
#10873: Jan 29th 2022 at 5:44:31 AM

Since it has been three days, I decided to call Hitler Ate Sugar and I added it to Keep Real Life Examples since the ratio was below 2:00.

I have also closed the current crowner. I will be hooking a new one shortly.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jan 29th 2022 at 9:48:36 AM

Macron's notes
MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
(she/her)
#10874: Jan 29th 2022 at 6:49:52 AM

Crowner hooked. I added a few of the tropes mentioned on this page and the previous one.

Previous crowner link for archival purposes.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jan 29th 2022 at 9:53:20 AM

Macron's notes
amathieu13 Since: Aug, 2013
#10875: Jan 29th 2022 at 10:15:11 AM

nm ignore post

Edited by amathieu13 on Jan 29th 2022 at 1:17:13 PM

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Crown Description:

Vote UP to cut real life examples; vote DOWN to keep.

Anything marked DONE has been resolved.

In order for a crowner to pass:

  • Must have been up for a minimum of a week
  • There must be a 2:1 ratio
  • If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
  • Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP or LRLEO index
  • Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page

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