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Real Life section maintenance (including NRLEP and LRLEO) (New Crowner 9/20/25)

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Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the staff to add the trope via this thread.

This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.

Common problems include:

Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.

If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.

If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.

Before adding to the crowner:

  • The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
  • There must be support from others in thread.
  • Any objections should be addressed.
  • Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.

When adding to the crowner:

  • Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
  • Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
  • An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).

In order for a crowner to pass:

  • Must have been up for a minimum of a week
  • There must be a 2:1 ratio
  • If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
  • Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP or LRLEO index
  • Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page

Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need a crowner vote.

As per Real Life Troping, we never trope unscripted real life sports — so sports tropes where RL examples would only apply to those scenarios don't need a crowner vote.

Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.

After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.

NRLEP tag:

%% Trope was declared Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

LRLEO tag:

%% Trope was declared Administrivia/LimitedRealLifeExamplesOnly via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%The following restrictions apply: [list restriction(s) here]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

Notes:
  • This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
  • Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
  • As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
  • The [[noreallife]] tag no longer works. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. Per word of admin as of 2025, any replacement for this system will not use markup, so these tags can be removed.
  • If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the staff to add the trope via this thread.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 3rd 2025 at 6:31:00 AM

Albert3105 Since: Jun, 2013
#10751: Jan 6th 2022 at 8:11:27 PM

Should there be a three-spouse minimum for Serial Spouse? Or four?

Edited by Albert3105 on Jan 6th 2022 at 11:11:45 AM

laserviking42 from End-World Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
#10752: Jan 6th 2022 at 9:24:29 PM

Can someone give their two cents on the RL section at Earth-Shattering Kaboom. Yes, I know that theoretically with a force powerful enough one could shatter the earth. However the section is filled with people astro-nattering about the Moon-impact hypothesis, the Large Hadron Collider, and several redundant examples all saying the earth could shatter with a force large enough.

I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
TheLivingDrawing Lucas the Dreamer from The Town of Clayton Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Lucas the Dreamer
#10753: Jan 7th 2022 at 3:33:22 AM

[up][up] Wouldn’t Serial Spouse be a gossip trope along with being too common?

Once Upon A Time.
bwburke94 I am mad scientist! It's so cool! from 1.048596% (Y2: Electric Boogaloo) Relationship Status: She does the things you do, but she is an IBM
I am mad scientist! It's so cool!
#10754: Jan 7th 2022 at 3:34:18 AM

[up][up] The LHC stuff should be removed; the rest is good enough for consideration to stay.

edit: [nja]

Edited by bwburke94 on Jan 7th 2022 at 6:34:30 AM

2025: the year it all ends?
BoltDMC Since: May, 2020
#10755: Jan 7th 2022 at 4:49:19 AM

[up][up][up] I'm fine with a crowner being done for this one, as I agree with your concerns.

BoltDMC Since: May, 2020
#10756: Jan 7th 2022 at 4:55:02 AM

[up][up][up][up][up] Yup, I think there should be a minimum threshold on this, with four or five being the minimum.

I would also not count betrothals, engagements, or anything that isn't an actual marriage, nor any where a marriage ends in spousal death, as the point of the trope is that the person can't make marriages work in serial fashion.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#10757: Jan 7th 2022 at 5:01:01 AM

Earth-Shattering Kaboom listing out all the ways that the Earth could possibly be destroyed is edging towards violating our rule about speculative troping. There are a few astronomical examples that might be valid, such as the destruction of whatever body gave us the Mars-Jupiter asteroid belt, but since the Earth is still here (unless I'm really a Boltzmann brain or part of an ancestor simulation), it has obviously never been blown up.

All of those ways to end the Earth might be better placed under Apocalypse How.

Serial Spouse is both gossip and too common to trope in Real Life.

Edited by Fighteer on Jan 7th 2022 at 8:01:45 AM

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
prettycoolguy Since: Nov, 2010
#10758: Jan 7th 2022 at 8:20:53 AM

Good Stepmother is not listed as NRLE even though its inverse Wicked Stepmother is. Good morality tropes are still morality tropes.

Albert3105 Since: Jun, 2013
#10759: Jan 7th 2022 at 4:56:19 PM

[up][up] What is Serial Spouse anyway? Just having multiple different spouses in succession is People Sit on Chairs, so is it a trope about the correlation between having multiple spouses and a character flaw leading to them being unable to keep spouses for long?

Edited by Albert3105 on Jan 7th 2022 at 7:56:36 AM

laserviking42 from End-World Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
#10760: Jan 7th 2022 at 5:06:01 PM

Any talk of modifying the definition of Serial Spouse is outside the scope of this thread. However I do agree we should put it on the crowner as too common in real life. The RL section even has an entry for an anonymous reddit post, of all things.

I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
Nen_desharu Nintendo Fanatic Extraordinaire from Greater Smash Bros. Universe or Toronto Since: Aug, 2020 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Nintendo Fanatic Extraordinaire
#10761: Jan 7th 2022 at 6:45:50 PM

For Late-Arrival Spoiler, should there be a Sports folder for sports results, given that the Real Life folder is very likely to be nuked?

Edited by Nen_desharu on Jan 7th 2022 at 9:46:37 AM

Kirby is awesome.
mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Word Up
#10762: Jan 7th 2022 at 7:13:53 PM

I think since spoilers can exist in Sports unlike real life, I would vouch for that particular folder being kept, though maybe we could vote on it separately.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
laserviking42 from End-World Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
#10763: Jan 7th 2022 at 7:20:10 PM

I would disagree, Sports is basically a subset of Real Life, it is not constructed with a narrative purpose (with the exception of Pro Wrestling, which does employ storylines).

I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
Berrenta Bejeweled (she/her) (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Nen_desharu Nintendo Fanatic Extraordinaire from Greater Smash Bros. Universe or Toronto Since: Aug, 2020 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Nintendo Fanatic Extraordinaire
#10765: Jan 8th 2022 at 9:46:26 PM

I agree with mew.

After the motion for Late-Arrival Spoiler is done (it's very likely real-life examples will be removed), we can have another motion if sports examples should be added, given that a Sports folder can be created.

It's true that sports (when played legitimately) isn't scripted (aside from Professional Wrestling), but sports does have a narrative. Over a billion people follow sports on a regular basis and many of the most-watched televised events are sports. Some popular sports websites even allow readers to hide sports results. Sports may be a subset of real life, but sports do have spoilers, unlike most of the other subsets of real life (though election results do have spoilers as well, but that's a separate topic).

Edited by Nen_desharu on Jan 8th 2022 at 12:51:13 PM

Kirby is awesome.
WaterBlap Blapper of Water Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Blapper of Water
#10766: Jan 8th 2022 at 9:59:58 PM

I mean a sport event is an event that is tropeable. It may be nonfiction, but that can still be tropeable. This really seems beyond the scope of this thread, whether we cut sports examples when we make something NRLEP.

Look at all that shiny stuff ain't they pretty
laserviking42 from End-World Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
#10767: Jan 8th 2022 at 10:11:42 PM

Sports do not have narratives, there is no creator behind the scenes who has scripted out a game (at least not a legitimate game) and uses tropes to tell a story.

This goes doubly for Late-Arrival Spoiler, because as a narrative trope, you cannot spoil a game any more than you can spoil a political election. People who missed a game and do not want to know the score is not a spoiler in the narrative sense. It is also so overwhelmingly common that any such list would just be listing every single Superbowl, Stanley Cup, World Cup, World Series, NBA Finals, March Madness, BCS Bowl, playoff game etc. There would be no end to it.

I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
PlasmaPower Piece of Cake. Since: Jan, 2015
Piece of Cake.
#10768: Jan 10th 2022 at 3:19:43 AM

Kitboga has lot of real life troping. Why do we even have a page for self righteous assholes like him? We shouldn’t be troping scam baiters.

Thomas fans needed! Come join me in the the show's cleanup thread!
laserviking42 from End-World Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
#10769: Jan 10th 2022 at 9:34:39 AM

Can someone take a look at the RL section in The End of the World as We Know It? I don't think any of the entries are valid, it sounds like a bunch of natter on topics somewhat related to the end of the world.

I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#10770: Jan 10th 2022 at 10:31:54 AM

FYI: we have a cleanup for sporting events here

BoltDMC Since: May, 2020
#10771: Jan 10th 2022 at 11:06:58 AM

[up][up] Looks like Moderator Tabs deleted the RL folder in question. Agreed with this action.

PurpleEyedGuma Since: Apr, 2020
#10772: Jan 10th 2022 at 12:25:58 PM

Single-Attempt Game has a Real Life folder that consists solely of, “Make the most of it.” It’s not even bulleted. I vote to cut it.

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#10773: Jan 10th 2022 at 12:27:28 PM

Cut that, but I do think a joke along those lines could be added to the actual Real Life trope list, considering it presents itself as a game and all.

Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
PurpleEyedGuma Since: Apr, 2020
#10774: Jan 10th 2022 at 1:01:40 PM

I know it should probably be NRLEP, but I don’t know for what reason.

FridgeGuy2016 No-lifer from United States Since: Feb, 2016
No-lifer
#10775: Jan 10th 2022 at 4:02:29 PM

I don't know if we should NRLEP it just for having a folder consisting of no bullet points; just text. That is, unless it's getting real life troping elsewhere on the site.

If it should be though, it's Impossible.

Limpin' with the bizkit.

Projects: Long Term/Perpetual: Real Life Section Maintenance
20th Sep '25 9:57:50 AM

Crown Description:

Vote UP to cut real life examples; vote DOWN to keep.

Anything marked DONE has been resolved.

In order for a crowner to pass:

  • Must have been up for a minimum of a week
  • There must be a 2:1 ratio
  • If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
  • Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP or LRLEO index
  • Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page

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