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Real Life section maintenance (including NRLEP and LRLEO) (New Crowner 9/20/25)

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Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the staff to add the trope via this thread.

This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.

Common problems include:

Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.

If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.

If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.

Before adding to the crowner:

  • The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
  • There must be support from others in thread.
  • Any objections should be addressed.
  • Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.

When adding to the crowner:

  • Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
  • Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
  • An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).

In order for a crowner to pass:

  • Must have been up for a minimum of a week
  • There must be a 2:1 ratio
  • If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
  • Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP or LRLEO index
  • Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page

Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need a crowner vote.

As per Real Life Troping, we never trope unscripted real life sports — so sports tropes where RL examples would only apply to those scenarios don't need a crowner vote.

Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.

After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.

NRLEP tag:

%% Trope was declared Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

LRLEO tag:

%% Trope was declared Administrivia/LimitedRealLifeExamplesOnly via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%The following restrictions apply: [list restriction(s) here]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

Notes:
  • This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
  • Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
  • As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
  • The [[noreallife]] tag no longer works. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. Per word of admin as of 2025, any replacement for this system will not use markup, so these tags can be removed.
  • If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the staff to add the trope via this thread.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 3rd 2025 at 6:31:00 AM

plakythebirb The Unwilling Cycle from The Deep South (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Unwilling Cycle
#10476: Nov 18th 2021 at 2:41:24 AM

I'd be in for keeping nonhuman examples if conseus is cutting human examples.

Welcome To Ideals' World
BlackBaroness Since: May, 2015
#10477: Nov 18th 2021 at 12:46:36 PM

I would like to add this entry to Impossible in Real Life:

  • City of Everywhere: While real-life cities may emulate landmarks from other cities, this trope concerns the landmarks themselves sharing spaces they wouldn't in real life.

amathieu13 Since: Aug, 2013
#10478: Nov 18th 2021 at 1:36:13 PM

So I'm drafting this trope in TLP and was given the following as an example:

  • One of the ways Gertrude Baniszewski used to torment Sylvia Likens was to brand her as a prostitute to justify any further humiliation and torture she could devise.

Had no idea who any of those people were so I googled and apparently Gertrude is the main orchestrator of the torture and murder of teenaged Sylvia. I don't really have strong opinions on whether the trope should or shouldn't have Real Life examples, but this example makes me wary, given how...macabre it is and since the proposal has enough hats for launching (eventually, not planning on launching this soon), thought it would be best to decide now before it potentially becomes an issue later.

Edited by amathieu13 on Nov 18th 2021 at 4:37:04 AM

ShinyCottonCandy Everyone's friend Malamar from Lumiose City (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Everyone's friend Malamar
#10479: Nov 18th 2021 at 1:47:23 PM

[up][up]There aren't any problematic examples anyway though. We don't need to add tropes that haven't been a problem preemptively.

My musician page
amathieu13 Since: Aug, 2013
#10480: Nov 18th 2021 at 1:52:48 PM

My question is also about whether or not the example given is problematic, given the additional information about the circumstances surrounding it. If not, then I'll keep it moving. If it is, then the obvious follow up is, would this trope likely attract problematic Real Life examples by nature or is this just a one off?

Edited by amathieu13 on Nov 18th 2021 at 4:53:22 AM

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#10481: Nov 18th 2021 at 2:22:03 PM

I have posted a response in the tlp here.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Nov 18th 2021 at 5:22:45 AM

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#10482: Nov 18th 2021 at 4:00:31 PM

Yeah, I don't know if that example is kosher.

Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
amathieu13 Since: Aug, 2013
#10483: Nov 18th 2021 at 4:13:50 PM

ok thank you! will make it NRLE and not use that example

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#10484: Nov 18th 2021 at 5:27:08 PM

I don't know if this a place to bring this but I found these on Jennifer Morrison:

  • Acting in the Dark:invoked For Star Trek (2009) she and many others were only given the scripts for their scenes to keep plot details secret.
  • The Cast Show Off:invoked Jennifer actually has a background in musical theatre, and has shown off her singing in the Albion movie, as well as Once Upon A Time's Musical Episode.
  • Celebrity Resemblance: To Ginnifer Goodwin. Both had long dark hair around the same time they got famous, so they would often be mistaken for each other. And sometimes they would even sign autographs and give interviews as each other. So naturally they play mother and daughter in Once Upon A Time.
  • Dye Hard: She's naturally blonde but was known as a brunette for a while. She dyed her blonde hair brown and auditioned for House. Bryan Singer later saw tapes of her with blonde hair and went "this girl's great, we should test her against Jennifer".
  • Dyeing for Your Art:invoked
    • She had been dyeing her hair brown for House and - fed up at spending so much time getting it done by the studio department - went blonde for Once Upon a Time.
    • She also dyed her hair red for Some Girl(s).
  • Fake Guest Star: In How I Met Your Mother she appeared in half the episodes of the season she guest starred in. She's the only guest star on the show to do that.
  • Important Haircut: She was required to keep her hair long in Once Upon A Time. As the sixth season was coming to an end, she cut it to shoulder length and just wore hair pieces for the remaining episodes.
  • Playing Against Type:invoked Jennifer is often smart, strong women but not always...
    • She has a small role as a drunk Genki Girl in Knife Fight.
    • She was also a ditzy trophy wife in Big Stan.
    • Back Roads has her as a small town housewife who has an affair with a younger man.
  • Playing with Character Type:invoked Zoey in How I Met Your Mother is a lot more antagonistic than Jennifer's usual strong, grounded characters. She's an outright Soapbox Sadie in parts.
  • Romance on the Set:invoked
    • With Jessie Spencer, who she starred alongside on House.
    • And Sebastian Stan, who appeared in a few Once Upon A Time episodes.
  • Serendipity Writes the Plot:invoked She was written out of House because David Shore wanted to show that not every character around House was going to end up corrupt.
  • She Also Did: Jennifer is credited as an Associate Producer for the first season of Glee - as she was the one who found the early draft and brought it to Ryan Murphy's attention.
  • Those Two Actors: She, Ginnifer Goodwin and Josh Dallas all appeared in the TV movie Five as well as Once Upon a Time.
  • What Could Have Been:invoked
    • She replaced Melanie Lynskey as the ditzy trophy wife Mindy in Big Stan.
    • She was offered the chance to return for Once Upon A Time's seventh season, but opted to leave the series. She did however return for one more episode and came Back for the Finale.
  • Why Fandom Can't Have Nice Things: She slowly withdrew from conventions and social media after being caught in a nasty shipping war and harassed online by Once Upon a Time fans.

Correct me if I am wrong but we aren't suppose to put tropes on creator pages. Correct?

Edited by Bullman on Nov 18th 2021 at 7:29:08 AM

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
TheLivingDrawing Lucas the Dreamer from The Town of Clayton Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Lucas the Dreamer
#10485: Nov 18th 2021 at 6:48:51 PM

Tropes about the person? No. Tropes about their career? Yes.

Once Upon A Time.
PlasmaPower Piece of Cake. Since: Jan, 2015
Piece of Cake.
#10486: Nov 18th 2021 at 9:06:18 PM

I found this in WesternAnimation.Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 1987.

Thomas fans needed! Come join me in the the show's cleanup thread!
Nen_desharu Nintendo Fanatic Extraordinaire from Greater Smash Bros. Universe or Toronto Since: Aug, 2020 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Nintendo Fanatic Extraordinaire
#10487: Nov 18th 2021 at 9:18:51 PM

[up]That belongs in the complaining and other negativity thread.

Kirby is awesome.
Zyffyr from Portland, Oregon Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
PlasmaPower Piece of Cake. Since: Jan, 2015
Piece of Cake.
#10490: Nov 19th 2021 at 9:36:26 PM

Where's the next crowner? I'm wondering if Sound-Only Death should have real life examples. It's like Great Offscreen War as in there's no such thing as offscreen in real life. I'm pretty sure for the people actually dying, they experienced a painful death.

    Real Life 
  • Black box recordings recovered from aircraft crash sites often capture the moment of impact and sounds from within the cockpit as this occurs, making them very disturbing to listen to.
  • This must happen to 911 (999) operators from time to time.
    • Ditto for those working on Suicide Prevention Hotlines.
  • Audio has been released of at least one victim of 9/11 who was speaking to 911 when one of the WTC towers he was in collapsed.
  • The final transmission of the space shuttle Columbia was cut off in the middle of a word beginning with "bu..." Challenger exploded a second after its commander said "Go with throttle up" but it's unclear whether any sounds from the cockpit were transmitted. It's long been rumoured that black box recordings exist of at least Challenger.
  • One of the most disturbing live-TV examples occurred in July 2007 when a TV helicopter covering a police chase in Phoenix collided with another. Viewers heard the reporter in the chopper reacting to something unseen by viewers who then heard the sound of impact and then the man screaming as the transmission quickly cut way back to the studio.
  • Environmentalist and grizzly bear enthusiast Timothy Treadwell was killed (along with his girlfriend) by one of the very bears he swore to protect in 2003. When park rangers discovered his ruined campsite, they found his video camera, which had managed to record audio of the fatal attack. Werner Herzog himself was horrified by it when he listened to said audio while filming his Treadwell documentary Grizzly Man, and recommended strongly that it be destroyed.

Edited by PlasmaPower on Nov 19th 2021 at 1:38:01 PM

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WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#10491: Nov 19th 2021 at 9:39:16 PM

[up] The crowner system has been overhauled, only mods can make them, and, well...

Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
BoltDMC Since: May, 2020
#10493: Nov 21st 2021 at 6:26:28 PM

[up] Looks fine to me. I say go for it.

PlasmaPower Piece of Cake. Since: Jan, 2015
Piece of Cake.
#10494: Nov 21st 2021 at 6:44:47 PM

I'm still wondering if we can put Sound-Only Death on the next crowner whenever that is.

Thomas fans needed! Come join me in the the show's cleanup thread!
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#10495: Nov 21st 2021 at 7:02:25 PM

I started a cleanup for the bad beverage tropes.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#10496: Nov 22nd 2021 at 1:46:40 AM

Did the request for a moderator notice, except for A Tankard of Moose Urine where it was already on.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#10497: Nov 22nd 2021 at 11:12:29 AM

Guys, if you want to make a crowner, someone will need to compile the options and either holler or post on the mod thread.

Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
Albert3105 Since: Jun, 2013
#10498: Nov 22nd 2021 at 1:17:00 PM

Alphabet News Network's real life section (which consists of just coincidences) is just plain misuse, as the trope is explicitly about fictional news networks' names being direct parodies of CNN specifically.

bwburke94 I am mad scientist! It's so cool! from 1.048596% (Y2: Electric Boogaloo) Relationship Status: She does the things you do, but she is an IBM
I am mad scientist! It's so cool!
#10499: Nov 22nd 2021 at 2:20:52 PM

[up] It is possible that a real life _NN explicitly patterns themselves off CNN.

2025: the year it all ends?
Albert3105 Since: Jun, 2013
#10500: Nov 22nd 2021 at 4:19:02 PM

[up] Yeah, I wasn't arguing for NRLEP status, just for deleting the current two examples. I'd allow RL examples if the news network name was in fact an allusion to CNN.

Edited by Albert3105 on Nov 22nd 2021 at 7:23:57 AM

Projects: Long Term/Perpetual: Real Life Section Maintenance
20th Sep '25 9:57:50 AM

Crown Description:

Vote UP to cut real life examples; vote DOWN to keep.

Anything marked DONE has been resolved.

In order for a crowner to pass:

  • Must have been up for a minimum of a week
  • There must be a 2:1 ratio
  • If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
  • Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP or LRLEO index
  • Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page

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