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Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. If it's really bad, the entire section may have to be removed. But hey, if someone feels like cleaning it up, it might be saved.

If you think an article should be filed under No Real Life Examples, Please!, then this thread is the place to discuss it. State the reasons and add it to the crowner.

edited 29th Nov '16 9:27:01 AM by Madrugada

Nen_desharu Nintendo Fanatic Extraordinaire from Greater Smash Bros. Universe or Toronto
Nintendo Fanatic Extraordinaire
Jan 11th 2021 at 9:02:29 PM

Sports could be kept for Role-Ending Misdemeanor.

Sports are like fiction, being forms of entertainment, albeit one that is completely unscripted (in the vast majority of cases) and generally has no redoes (for fairness). Professional athletes are indeed entertainers.

Edited by Nen_desharu on Jan 11th 2021 at 12:04:06 PM

Kirby is awesome.
mightymewtron Kenny is best girl! from New New York Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
Kenny is best girl!
Jan 11th 2021 at 9:20:36 PM

[up] Agreed. The crux of the trope is how the performer's personal life affects the work to which they contribute. I think Sports examples of an athlete's personal affairs costing them their job are worth describing for how they affect sports fans' entertainment.

I run the Nostalgia Critic cleanup so you don't have to!
Morgenthaler Lawful Evil.
Lawful Evil.
Jan 12th 2021 at 1:33:21 AM

Agreed. Hell, Tiger Woods is the page image. Same with porn actors; they are entertainers in the strictest sense of the word. It's not like the dude knocking on the door of some buxom woman is actually a pizza boy in real life.

It would probably be better to split the subpages of Role-Ending Misdemeanor as options on the crowner, not this "All Or Nothing" affair.

Edited by Morgenthaler on Jan 12th 2021 at 11:53:44 AM

I'm a little dysfunctional, don't you know? If you push me it might be bad. Get a little emotional, don't you know?
miraculous Sinner from South Africa
Sinner
Jan 12th 2021 at 3:44:50 AM

I agree that each section should get its own slot on the crowner

"For the first time, in as long as I can remember. I'm going to have to stop playing around Scarlett"
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom from Nakatomi Plaza Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Redmess Redmess from Netherlands
Redmess
Jan 12th 2021 at 5:07:17 AM

I agree Role-Ending Misdemeanor should keep its real life section, though we should be careful it doesn't become bashing.

Edited by Redmess on Jan 12th 2021 at 2:07:33 PM

Optimism is a duty.
Jan 12th 2021 at 6:42:48 AM

For real life examples of Humiliation Conga, I prefer that any congas must end to be listed (similar to hindsight tropes discouraging shoehorns of recently-developing ongoing events).

E.g. Boris Johnson's first term can stay since he won his majority back in the 2019 election. But coronavirus-related humiliation has to go, since it is ongoing.

Edited by Albert3105 on Jan 12th 2021 at 9:47:07 AM

LaundryPizza03 Maintenance? from Texas
Maintenance?
Jan 12th 2021 at 8:15:43 AM

I'll add Autopsy Snack Time, Body Sushi, Buffet Buffoonery, Camp Cook, Chez Restaurant, and Little People Are Surreal (rationales here) if nobody contests. Need more comments about Baguette Beatdown and Repetitive Name.

    From Baguette Beatdown 
  • As a general rule of thumb, any French bread more than 2 days old can get pretty hard, making it a valid candidate for this trope.
  • Live demonstration of this trope.
  • A joking version of this was used in the one and only battle of the Conch Republic War of Independence (Key West, Florida, 1982; TOW has the story). As a protest against a US Customs roadblock, Key West declared independence and bonked someone in a US Navy uniform over the head with a loaf of Cuban bread (similar to a baguette but longer and softer), then surrendered. Baguette Beatdowns have appeared from time to time since, including a 1995 protest against an unannounced army reserve exercise.
  • Have you ever... been so pissed you hit a cop with French bread?
  • Inverted by Egyptian protesters, as some with nothing to use as a helmet strapped bread to their heads.note  This is less loony than it sounds, though, since Egyptian bread is a thick, tough brown pita that could easily provide the same degree of protection as hard leather. Still, as plausible as it might be, you kinda have to admit that it looks hella funny, which is why when a newspaper photographer miraculously captured the magic moment in which a bread-helmet-wearing Yemeni protester was seen yelling at the top of his lungs and Milking the Giant Cow, the image immediately went viral. If you want any further details on this, just read Know Your Meme's page on the so-called "Bread Helmet Man".
  • South African rusks aren't the soft, super-sweet baby treats closer to cookies/ biscuits you're probably thinking of. (For those, you need to ask for Marie biscuits.) Oh, no: real rusks are yeasted cobble stones you can easily break teeth on if you forget to dunk them enough, and which can last years if stored properly. They have served as ad hoc thrown weaponry at many a riot (it's a packed lunch, not a weapon — honest!). Also, the crumbs make for very irritating practical jokes of the "thumb tack on seat" kind. Just ask anybody dealing with kids after break, especially if it was muesli rusks.
    From Repetitive Name 
  • In the immediate family of Julius Caesar, there were seven women called Julia from the Julius family. Which in modern times would make their full names "Julia Julius". This wasn't unique to his family, though. That's how Roman naming conventions for women worked (except early in Roman history).
  • The former king of Spain, Juan Carlos, whose full name was Juan Carlos Alfonso Víctor María de Borbón y Borbón-Dos Sicilias. This was actually due to Spanish naming conventions, which incorporates the names of both parents into double-barreled last names (although the second last name, based on the mother's maiden name, is not commonly used.) This was due to the king's parents coming from two different branches of the Bourbon royal dynasty, one the Spanish branch and the other the Neapolitan (the Kingdom of Two Sicilies) branch.
  • The famous 17th century astronomer Galileo Galilei. This was, in fact, fairly popular in Italy in the past, especially during the Middle Ages and the Renaissance. Any Italian history book is a trove of repetitive names, though none quite as famous as Galileo.
  • Due to Patronymics, you will sometimes run into people with the same first name and patronymic, and when you're in a country that doesn't commonly use last names this becomes very confusing. Like a Pavel Pavlovich (literally Pavel son of Pavel) whose dad was also a Pavel Pavlovich. The extensive use makes something like this possible—albeit uncommon—in Egypt, and in Arabic-speaking countries in general. It's very normal for a guy to name his first son after his own father (the son's grandfather), and so on. So having a guy named "Ahmed Mohamed Ahmed Mohamed..." unto several generations is not only common, it's practically a national joke in some countries (Egypt chief among them) that if the Arabic system of nomenclature didn't allow you to pick an arbitrary nth ancestor as your last name (e.g. the random Ibrahim tossed in because you aren't the first son of the first son ad infinitum) or use an ancestral nickname keeps, practically everyone would have one and the government would have to ban them.
    • You can also get people who have the same first name, patronymic, and last name. Pavel Pavlovich Pavlov.
    • There is an Alexander Alexandrovich Alexandrov, a son of the composer of the Soviet/Russian national anthem. See below.
    • Mstislav the Bold (Mstislav Mstislavich)
    • Bulgarian patronymics can be identical to the surname, such as with Ivan Ivanov Ivanov.
  • Sporty siblings Gary, Phil (football) and Tracy (netball) Neville's father was a rugby player named Neville Neville. (Sing it to the tune of David Bowie's "Rebel Rebel".)
  • RFK assassin Sirhan B. Sirhan. This is on account of Arabic naming customs (Sirhan is Palestinian); his full name (Sirhan Bishara Sirhan) is entirely Patronymic: Arabs didn't get on to this whole "surname" thing until relatively recently, so it's common to have one's grandfather's name as the last name, and it's also very common to name your eldest son after your father.
  • Magnus Magnusson, the original host of the BBC quiz Mastermind. Although he was Icelandic, this isn't a direct patronym, the Magnus in Magnusson was his grandfather.
  • Longtime strongman champion Magnus ver Magnusson, also Icelandic.
  • Professional road cyclist Robbie McEwen named his son Ewan.
  • Mime Marcel Marceau.
  • The American Civil War soldier John St. John. Not to be confused with Jon St. John, who also counts.
  • Aharon Aharonson, botanist and World War I spy.
  • Pavel Pavel is a Czech engineer and a researcher who experimented with the Easter Island statues.
  • Jindrich Jindrich was a Czech musician and a composer.
  • In scientific circles, this is known as a tautonym when it applies to taxonomic classifications, where the genus and species of an animal have the same name. For example, Rattus rattus is the rat, Bison bison is the bison, while Puffinus puffinus is... the Manx Shearwater. Minus ten points if you said Puffin. Wikipedia has an incomplete -but not small- list of tautonyms.
    • One that deserves special mention is the Western Lowland Gorilla - Gorilla gorilla gorilla!
    • The scientific name for modern humans, "Homo sapiens sapiens", means "wise wise human".
  • There are also Classic kurashikku examples:
    • Diceros bicornis, the black rhinoceros, is "two horns" in both Greek and Latin.
    • Xiphias gladius, the swordfish, is "sword" in both Greek and Latin.
    • Ursus arctos, the brown bear, is "bear" in, yes, Latin and Greek. However the Latin name comes first in this case, whereas the Greek name comes first in the other two.
      • The Eurasian brown bear is Ursus arctos arctos. As they say on Tumblr, "The most bear a bear can be."
    • Equus caballus, the horse, is two different Latin words, both meaning "horse"; however, in this case, equus is Classical Latin, while caballus is a Vulgar Latin borrowing from Gaulish.
  • Guy Fawkes (he of Gunpowder Plot fame) used "John Johnson" as an alias. It wasn't very effective...
  • 20th-century philosopher John McTaggart Ellis McTaggart, author of The Nature of Existence.
  • There's also sci-fi writer Thomas T. Thomas.
  • There have been a surprising number of William Williams (or variants):
    • Billy Dee Williams was born William December Williams.
    • Writers William Carlos Williams.
    • William Williams, signer of the Declaration of Independence.
    • U2's set designer is another Willam Williams.
    • Liam Williams, William McWilliam, Liam Fitzwilliam, etc. also count. Copper Liam Williamson being a good example.
    • New York radio DJ William B. Williams.
  • Writer Jerome K. Jerome.
  • Former UN Secretary-General Boutros Boutros-Ghali. This one came from his grandfather, Boutros Ghali, who was the first Copt named Prime Minister of Egypt. In his honor, the family changed their surname to "Boutros-Ghali". The later Secretary-General was named after his grandfather.
  • Holling Clancy Holling.
  • Ford Madox Ford (born Ford Madox Hueffer).
  • Cool Runnings actor Doug E. Doug, which is a stage name.
  • Not Cao Cao, legendary warlord of the Three Kingdoms Period and major character of Romance of the Three Kingdoms (and its various adaptations). Though the name seems repetitive when transliterated, in Chinese it is in fact composed of two different, though nearly homophonous, characters: 曹操. For that matter, homonymic names are common in Chinese culture.
    • Also these characters were most likely pronounced even more distinctly during his lifetime.
    • The name is homophonous in Japanese and Korean, but that is because they are not tonal like Chinese. In Japanese, it is "Sou Sou", while in Korean, it is "Jo Jo". By extension, translated Chinese works in both languages tend to have more homophonous names, since their languages aren't suited to convey tones that differentiate them in Chinese.
  • Jack Johnson, is the name of, among others, a singer, a boxer and a hockey player (the latter two are even John "Jack" Johnson).
  • Author of the novel Flatland, Edwin Abbott Abbott. He originally published it under the pseudonym "A. Square" (a double pun; once on his own name and once on the characters of Flatland, whose lower-middle class were literal squares). The original additions simply refer to the author is "A Square", without the period, "A" being the indefinite article and not an initial. The narrator is literally a square.
  • Space Shuttle astronaut Richard Richards. The mind boggles at the unfortunate nicknames that could spawn.
  • Erik Erikson, the psychologist famous for coining the term "identity crisis", was born with the name Erik Salomonson. However, his father was only so in the legal sense, as his mother (also Jewish) had an extramarital affair with a Danish man (possibly) named Erik. Hence...
  • A conservative political commentator Erick Erickson.
  • Afghan Presidential candidate Dr. Abdullah Abdullah. He originally only went by "Abdullah", as it is common for Afghans to have no surname, but adopted "Abdullah" as his last name as well when Western news media kept asking him for a surname.
  • Comic artist and Venture Brothers storyboarder Stephen DeStefano.
  • Welsh band "The Automatic" are known as The Automatic Automatic in America due to a pre-existing act by the name of Automatic. American fans of the Welsh band commonly refer to them by their original name.
  • The word "ben" is Hebrew for son, so the name Benson translates into "son son". Before anyone says, "That's funny, but Benson is an English name," Benson means "Ben's Son", i.e. "Son of Benjamin". Benjamin is of course Hebrew for "Son of my right hand", from "ben" (son) and "yamin" (right). So, by an amusing accident, English isolated the part of the name that means "son" as the nickname for Benjamin... and thus "Benson" is, in a round about way, "Son-son" (son of son).
  • New York, New York. "The city so nice they named it twice."
  • Countries whose names are pars pro totonote  of one of their cities:
    • Belize, Belize.
    • Djibouti, Djibouti.
    • Guatemala, Guatemala.
    • Luxembourg, Luxembourg.
    • Kuwait, Kuwait.
    • Mexico, Mexico.
    • Panama, Panama.
    • Andorra la Vella, Andorra. The "la Vella" part was added to distinguish the main settlement from the principality.
    • Algeria, Morocco, and Tunisia were all named after one of their major cities: Algiers, Marrakesh, and Tunis. In Arabic, Algeria and Tunisia have the same name as their cities (al-Jazair and Tunis, respectively). Morocco, on the other hand, doesn't have this in Arabic, where the city is called Murrakush while the country is called al-Maghrib.
  • Papua New Guinea. "Papua" is Malay name for the island the country sits on, while "New Guinea" is the European colonial name for the same island. The British later repurposed the Malay name to refer to the southern half of the country, while the European name stuck for the northern half (first colonized by Germany, then Australia after World War I). Upon independence, the country adopted both names to show that it was born from the merger of two territories.
  • This was an old stereotype of people from the Scandinavian countries (where patronymic surnames are common), especially when they emigrated to America. This inspired the rhyme "Yon Yonson" (John Johnson).
  • Griffith Park and Griffith Observatory in Los Angeles are named for one Griffith J. Griffith.
  • San San Te. Different parts of the same page suggest that the second "San" may be part of his last name, or it may be a middle name/part of his first name.
  • There is an area in Arizona known as Table Mesa. Mesa means "table" in Spanish.
  • Simone Simons, lead singer of Epica.
  • Simone Simon, the French actress best known in the United States for Cat People.
  • Loch Lochy
  • Alexander Alexandrov, composer of the Hymn of the Soviet Union, the Soviet and later, Russian national anthem (at least the tune thereof), and the founding bandleader of the famous Alexandrov Ensenble, the military choir, band, and dance troupe of the Soviet and Russian armed forces, also known as the Red Army Choir.
    • There is another Alexander Alexandrov, a famous Soviet mathematician who made important contributions to probability theory. Both are topped by Alexander Alexandrovich Alexandrov, a son of the composer Alexander Alexandrov above (who gets patronym Alexandrovich as per Russian Naming Convention).
  • Sir Isaac Isaacs, who was both the first Australian-born and first Jewish Governor-General of Australia.
  • The Mexican wave (as often seen in sport stadiums) is called La Ola (Spanish for The Wave) by the Germans. Often you can hear German people talk about "die La Ola-Welle" - "The The Wave-wave"!
  • In a similar vein, the La Brea Tar Pits. "La" = "The" and "Brea" = "Tar". The The Tar Tar Pits.
  • Ramiro "Pedro" Gonzales-Gonzales, a popular contestant on Groucho Marx's You Bet Your Life who went on to become a character actor.
    Groucho: If we got together as an act, what would it be called?
    Pedro: "Gonzales-Gonzales and Marx".
    Groucho: Do you believe that? Two men in the act, and I get third billing!
  • Garet Garrett. Born Edward Peter Garrett, officially changed his name to qualify for this trope. It was originally his pen name.
  • Scandinavian languages has rather few "usable" first names for men, so people with names like "Sven Svensson" (Swedish), "Lars Larsen" (Danish), "Halvor Halvorsen" (Norwegian) or "Sigurbjorn Sigurbjornsson" (Icelandic) are not too uncommon.
  • Author, baron, freiherr, politician etc. Yrjö Yrjö-Koskinen
  • In many German dynasties and noble families it was customary to designate the different branches of one house by their residence. If the family name already was taken from a place-name, this could lead to cases as the counts of Salm-Salm (as opposed to their relatives, the counts of Salm-Kyrburg) and the margraves of Baden-Baden (as opposed to those of Baden-Durlach) in the 18th century.
  • The now largely forgotten German writer Ida Marie Luise Sophie Friederike Gustava Countess Hahn (1805-1880) called herself Countess Hahn-Hahn since her wedding to a distant relative, Friedrich Wilhelm Adolf Count Hahn-Basedow.
  • The Austrian satirist Alexander Friedrich Roda (1872-1945), who later emigrated to the US, changed his name to Alexander Roda Roda in 1908.
  • Also from Austria, Field Marshal Johann Josef Wenzel Graf Radetzky von Radetz (1766-1858), in Czech: Jan Josef Václav hrabě Radecký z Radče.
  • "Sahara" translates to "Desert," so people unwittingly refer to the Sahara as "the Desert Desert."
  • As history buffs of the Iberian Peninsula can attest, "medina" is simply the Arabic word for "city", so the City of Medina, Saudi Arabia (and by extension, any other city bearing the name "Medina") is extraneous. The name for the city in SA is short for al-Madinah al-Munawwarah, which means "The City of Light".
  • Chris Christie, governor of New Jersey from 2010 to 2018 (and briefly a candidate in the 2016 Republican presidential primary, though he dropped out fairly early in order to back eventual winner Donald Trump.)
  • The large Sheftall family of Georgia were influential in founding the city of Savannah and started one of the oldest Jewish communities there. One of them was Sheftall Sheftall. At some point they must have just run out of names.
    • Actually, even more interesting is that really, Sheftall is (or was, it's pretty archaic now) a Jewish (from the Yiddish) FIRST name, not a last name. Jewish people only really got into the whole last name thing at a pretty late date, generally only when their host countries made them mandatory. After (and sometimes even before), Jews took last names from pretty interesting places, but one of them was in the tradition of the patronymic, where a family with a clear patriarch might take that patriarch's name as a last name. So the Sheftall family was probably named after a guy whose FIRST name was Sheftall, and since Jews tend to like to name children after ancestors, Sheftall Sheftall could very easily have been named (however distantly) after the FIRST Sheftall. In the same way, there are many with last names that are also possible first names (Benjamin, Hirsch, Moses, Jacob[s], etc) and it used to be reasonably common to find people with double names (even now, there will be many who may use the Hebrew version as a first name even if they have the English version as a last name, as with someone I know named Binyamin Benjamin).
  • This can happen with foreign foods that are amended with the native name for the food, such as "shrimp scampi."
  • American country singer (of Swedish descent) Kris Kristofferson.
  • Courtney Taylor-Taylor of The Dandy Warhols, though it's a stage name, and his birth name is simply Courtney Taylor. According to him, it started as an in-joke: He had called a friend, and someone else picked up, so he had them write down a message - because he had to repeat his last name to the person on the other end, they wrote his name down as "Courtney Taylor-Taylor".
  • Similarly, Jeffrey Hammond-Hammond, former Jethro Tull bassist. His actual name was Jeffrey Hammond, yet he added the second "Hammond" after his mother's maiden name.
  • Character actor Edward Edwards.
  • Arthur MacArthur (I to III), a succession of military officers during the American imperialist era. However, out of this family, the most famous member's name is Douglas.
  • Happens a lot in Jewish names: Naftali Tzvi (Deer Deer), Dov Ber (Bear Bear), Aryeh Leib (Lion Lion) and Ze'ev Wolf (Wolf Wolf). Naftali Tzvi Hirsch is Deer Deer Deer.
  • Lauren Bush (niece of one president of the US and granddaughter of another) married David Lauren to become Lauren Bush Lauren.
  • Eleanor Roosevelt married her cousin Franklin Roosevelt to become Eleanor Roosevelt Roosevelt.
  • Short-lived actor/murderer Milos Milos (real name Miloš Milošević)
    • Which still counts, the way John Johnson would, since Milosevic is itself a patronymic name based on Milos.
  • In baseball, the Philadelphia Phillies land this twice. Not just because of their current name, but also because in 1883 they replaced (and took all their players and staff from) the Worcester Worcesters.
  • Evans Evans was a '60s character actress who appeared in several TV shows and Bonnie and Clyde.
  • American Idol contestant Phillip Phillips.
  • Actress Sasha Alexander. In Russian, "Sasha" is a diminutive of Alexander (or Alexandra).
  • The Egyptian American stand-up comic/actor Ahmed Ahmed.
  • American humorist Hugh Gallagher's alter ego is Belgian "pop star" Von Von Von.
  • Nyambi Nyambi who plays Samuel on Mike & Molly.
  • River Jordan (river river).
  • The late chief and father of the present chief of the "Bonnie Scotland Scottish" clan Gregor was called Sir Gregor MacGregor of MacGregor (the MacGregor of McGregor bit being his full surname and is used only by the clan chiefs, the rest of the family use MacGregor).
  • Lake Jaurijärviozerosee in German wartime charts in Lappland. The name means simply lake-lake-lake-lake in Sami, Finnish, Russian and German. The original Sami name is simply jauri ("lake"). Finns then named it Jaurijärvi, Russians Jaurijärviozero and Germans Jaurijärviozerosee without anyone realizing the true meaning of the original Sami name.
  • Dan Avidan and Dana Avidan, the children of Avi Avidan and Deb.
  • Jose Chavez y Chavez, an associate of Billy the Kid.
  • Fernando Fernandez (example mentioned above) was actually a Spanish comic artist. Googling reveals he surely has a few namesakes...
  • About *any* panda bear is named such. (Including the cartoon panda Tao Tao.)
  • Croatian poet Dimitrije Demeter. (Demeter is a very common name on the Balkans, either as first name "Dimitri" or as family name, so he'll probably has a ton of namesakes.)
  • The Los Angeles Angels (of Anaheim) of Major League Baseball. The name inspired jokes that it should be called Los Angeles de Los Angeles in Spanish (although Mexican media, when the team won World Series in 2002, called it Los Serafines).
  • Druze-Israeli Azzam Azzam, who was sent to prison for 15 years for espionage in Egypt but released in a prisoner exchange after 8.
  • French actress Miou Miou.
  • German silent-era film actress Ossi Oswalda (born Oswalda Stäglich, so "Ossi" is clearly short for Oswalda).
  • The town of Baden-Baden (not to be confused with the former Margraviate) in Baden-Württemberg, Germany.
  • Kansas City, Kansas.
  • Wagga Wagga in New South Wales.
  • Several places in the United States and Australia called Walla Walla. (The prison is most well known.) Also a Native American tribe. Even better, Walla is the tribal term for "river", so the Walla Walla River is actually "River River River".
  • The Hawaiian dance "Hula" often gets reduplicated to "Hula-Hula".
    • Hawaiian language reduplicates by the ton; random item: wiliwili, a balsa-like tree.
  • Welsh writer Owain Owain. (Maybe indirectly known via musician Gwenno.)
  • NFL running back Joey Iosefa – "Iosefa" is the Samoan variant of "Joseph." (Though "Joey" is actually his middle name; his first name is Marvin.)
  • The Mau Mau uprisal in Kenya. As you see from the link, countless spinoffs, *excluding* the card game but *including* the Maui Mau Mau note , a fictive terror organization in the SF novel Terror.
  • The Linne naming system has some, like Gallus gallus.
  • Teri Terry, author in the Young Adult genre.
  • Bora Bora, Polynesian island.
  • British engineer (and pyramidologist) David Davidson.
  • Animation historian and Cartoon Brew editor-in-chief Amid Amidi.
  • Neville Neville.
  • Rapper DJ Khaled's birth name is Khaled Khaled.
  • American model Amber Bernstein. Bernstein is German for "amber".
  • Leon Leonwood Bean, founder of L.L. Bean.
  • Europa Europa is the name of a Latin American cable channel only focused on films and series from Europe.
  • Pizza Pizza is a pizza restaurant chain that has branches all over the world, more known for appearing in Scott Pilgrim franchise.
  • Dr. Robert F. Roberts, head of the food science department at Pennsylvania State University, who taught the art of making ice cream to the famous Ben and Jerry.
  • Italian actor Venantino Venantini.
  • Sofía Vergara Vergara — Colombian naming conventions give you a lot of names, though usually only the first few are mentioned. If someone's grandfathers both had the same last name, they will have a repeated last name, like Sofia Vergara Vergara.
  • Former New Hampshire politician Dudley Dudley (maiden name Webster until marrying an attorney named Tom Dudley) used this to her advantage for much of her career as a member of the New Hampshire Executive Councilnote , using slogans such as "Dudley Dudley: Worth Repeating", and when she ran for Congress in 1984 "Dudley Dudley: Congress, Congress". However, this backfired when her opponent for the seat, Republican candidate Bob Smith, turned the slogan on its head by running campaign ads featuring the tag "Dudley Dudley: Liberal Liberal" en route to Smith defeating Dudley for the seat.
  • Actress Evans Evans.
  • Morgan Morgan, early pioneer in what is now West Virginia, and the father of the founder of Morgantown (where West Virginia University is located).
  • Veteran producer and writer George W. George. Actually the son of Rube Goldberg, who'd received some threats over political cartoons he'd drawn. Rube told his two sons Thomas and George to adopt new surnames for protection. Thomas decided to call himself Thomas George, and George decided to maintain the family tie by changing his last name to George as well.
  • In Germany, Ph.D. titles technically are part of your name. So you can become a Doctor Doctor Foo Bar if you are scientifically inclined so. (Only a fraction of these are multiple Ph.D.s though, there are also "copies" of your Dr. by habilitation, Dr. honoris causa...) Here is an Austrian (should have the same convention) who made a Ph.D. in six different areas. Wow.
  • An curious bilingual case: 13th Century Greek princess Theodora Megale Komnene was married to an Mongol Khan and became known afterwards as "Despina Khatun". Both titles translate to "lady" in both Greek and Mongol, as such her name means "Lady Lady".
  • Actor Edward Woodward.
  • Figure skater Nancy Kerrigan's middle name is Ann, of which Nancy is a derivation.
    • Since the name Ann (and therefore Nancy) means "grace," then Nancy Grace counts too.
  • The name of Saskatchewan derives from a Cree term that means roughly "river flows swiftly". So, the town of Swift Current, Saskatchewan has a name that amounts to "Swift Current, Swift Current".
  • This is no note  joke but scientifically correct: against Beri Berinote  (a Vitamine B deficiency syndrome) the Vitamine B rich rice bran will help - for example Tiki Tiki note .
  • As in the Live-Action TV section, vanished 19th century polar explorer Commander James Fitzjames, RN. Considering his biological father was Sir James Gambier, it was probably a rather harsh pun on Gambier's part- "fitz[father's name]" has a history of being used as a naming convention for acknowledged illegitimate children, but Gambier never acknowledged Fitzjames and in fact left him to be raised by a foster family (Happily Adopted, but still a lot of baggage to give a kid in the early 19th century).
  • Early radio pioneer John Stone Stone (Stone was also his mother's maiden name).
  • Founder of GUCCI, Guccio Gucci.
  • Carlos Carlos
    His Yearbook Quote: I hate my name.
  • Manute Bol, the 7'7" stringbean NBA center of the 90s, had a son — Bol Bol.
  • Afghan politician Abdullah Abdullah. Initially, he had no surname; he added the extraneous name because western journalists kept pressing him for one.
  • Tahoe derives from the word for "lake" in the language of the Washo people. So, Lake Tahoe="Lake Lake". Same thing applies to Lake Chad in Africa.
  • West Indian Cricketers Richie Richardson and Pat Patterson.

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Kenny is best girl!
Jan 12th 2021 at 11:53:43 AM

I feel like we should slow down. We're bringing in dozens of tropes per week now, more than can fit on a single crowner. We don't get much time to talk about the problems with each individual page, which may contribute to the downvotes.

I run the Nostalgia Critic cleanup so you don't have to!
WarJay77 Those Meddling Teens from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Those Meddling Teens
Jan 12th 2021 at 12:05:55 PM

Yeah, we're going too fast.

We didn't start the fire, it was always burning since the world's been turning ~ House of Anubis: The Wrath of Set, coming soon
laserviking42 from End-World Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Jan 12th 2021 at 12:31:34 PM

whoa, came back and suddenly we have ten open items on the crowner. A few things:

  • In response to the Role-Ending Misdemeanor queries, we can remove Sports from the pages to be cut, as seems to be consensus. I don't necessarily think we should have a vote per subpage, but if people want we can remove the current one and add three or four separate votes.
  • Only in Florida has been here two days and the consensus appears to be to cut, so I will close
  • Million-to-One Chance also seems to be clear, will close
  • Nature Is Not Nice - looks like the vote is to keep

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laserviking42 from End-World Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Jan 12th 2021 at 12:45:22 PM

[up][up][up][up] Most of those, the Real Life sections can be seriously trimmed as is because Examples Are Not General.

Also Little People Are Surreal seems to be rather degrading and stereotypical, using little people as props, I'd change it to Gossip and Stereotypes.

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rjd1922 Image Pickin' regular, image quality guru from Illinois Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
Image Pickin' regular, image quality guru
Jan 12th 2021 at 7:14:45 PM

[up]Examples Are Not General doesn't mean real life examples have to refer to one specific person or event. It shouldn't be used as a way of getting rid of real life examples you don't like because other people didn't agree with making it NRLEP (not accusing you specifically of doing that).

Keet cleanup
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom from Nakatomi Plaza Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
The Draftsman of Doom
Jan 12th 2021 at 7:18:22 PM

I thought we agreed to split each section of Role-Ending Misdemeanor into a separate crowner item.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Jan 12th 2021 at 10:18:31 AM

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Nen_desharu Nintendo Fanatic Extraordinaire from Greater Smash Bros. Universe or Toronto
Nintendo Fanatic Extraordinaire
Jan 12th 2021 at 7:25:18 PM

For the Real Life folder of Repetitive Name,

  • The large Sheftall family of Georgia were influential in founding the city of Savannah and started one of the oldest Jewish communities there. One of them was Sheftall Sheftall. At some point they must have just run out of names.
    • Actually, even more interesting is that really, Sheftall is (or was, it's pretty archaic now) a Jewish (from the Yiddish) FIRST name, not a last name. Jewish people only really got into the whole last name thing at a pretty late date, generally only when their host countries made them mandatory. After (and sometimes even before), Jews took last names from pretty interesting places, but one of them was in the tradition of the patronymic, where a family with a clear patriarch might take that patriarch's name as a last name. So the Sheftall family was probably named after a guy whose FIRST name was Sheftall, and since Jews tend to like to name children after ancestors, Sheftall Sheftall could very easily have been named (however distantly) after the FIRST Sheftall. In the same way, there are many with last names that are also possible first names (Benjamin, Hirsch, Moses, Jacob[s], etc) and it used to be reasonably common to find people with double names (even now, there will be many who may use the Hebrew version as a first name even if they have the English version as a last name, as with someone I know named Binyamin Benjamin).

I have bolded the part that used the first person, which is not allowed in any example in a main trope page.

Kirby is awesome.
GastonRabbit A real nowhere man from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Jan 12th 2021 at 7:56:45 PM

[up]I removed the whole second bullet point because it's natter on top of mostly having nothing to do with Repetitive Name.

Edit: I overlooked the Speculative Troping part ("was probably named after..." implies that the person adding the natter was just guessing instead of posting confirmed information).

Edit: And yeah, the Role-Ending Misdemeanor pages should have been added as separate options instead of being lumped together. I'm fine with scrapping that option and starting over.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 12th 2021 at 10:05:22 AM

"Cookies are delicious delicacies." —Mozilla Firefox pre-2004
Jan 12th 2021 at 11:50:30 PM

I'm going to add Mass "Oh, Crap!" because of Oh, Crap! already having no examples. Also, look at some examples:

    Real Life 
  • In 2006, Australia had finally qualified for the men's soccer World Cup after years of just failing to make it. Then, when the draw was made, most of the nation did this when they were drawn in the same group as Brazil. (On the other hand, the coach and team themselves said they were looking forward to the challenge. In the end, the score in Brazil vs Australia was only 2-0, which is a damn good result to have, even for a loss against the five-time world champion, and Australia made it into the second round.)
    • Repeated for the 2014 World Cup. Australia were drawn in a group with Spain (current champions and probably the best team in the world at the moment), the Netherlands (2010 runners-up, still very strong) and Chile, who are also a very strong side. "Oh crap" indeed. This time Australia weren't so lucky; they lost to all three.
    • The United States also had one when it drew the same group as Germany, Portugal and the team that sent them home two World Cups in a row, Ghana. Josh Levin on Twitter exaggerated this as drawing "Germany, Ghana, Portugal, 2010 Spain, 1958 Brazil, the 1985 Chicago Bears and the MonStars from Space Jam." In the end, US got revenge against Ghana, nearly won against Portugal in a last-minute draw and advanced to knockout in a 0-1 loss vs Germany that almost ended up in another draw.
  • Another serious example: When a major disaster gets broadcasted, and especially when we see the disaster unfold as is.
  • From American politics, the Whigs in 1841 and Republicans in 1901 had one when their Presidents (William Henry Harrison and William McKinley) died and their respective Vice Presidents (John Tyler and Theodore Roosevelt) succeeded them—men neither party wanted at all as President.
  • On September 11, 2001, the attack on the North Tower was believed to be an accident, so while the reactions of newscasters and viewers ranged from awestruck to puzzled — was it an accident, like the B-25 bomber that accidentally hit the Empire State Building in '45? — to suspicious it might be terrorism, this wasn't the reaction. During the news broadcast about the impact, the South Tower was hit, with a massive fireball exploding in the building on nationwide TV, causing this reaction in many people. You can hear it (including graphic language) in amateur films that were shown on CBS. The broadcasts of the towers collapsing also show this; tens of thousands of people can be heard screaming in terror all at once.
  • In the United Kingdom General Election 2015, the broadcast of the exit poll produced this reaction on Twitter. Ditto for the 2016 EU referendum.
  • In warfare, THIS was often the way to get an Instant-Win Condition—not by slaughtering the opposition, but by causing a rout through Crowd Panic and overriding everyone's training with mindless fear and self-preservation.

Jan 12th 2021 at 11:55:54 PM

Also, the Humiliation Conga page has to be filled with links to NRLEP tropes, such as two instances of Kick the Dog. At the bare minimum we should remove those.

Jan 13th 2021 at 5:30:04 AM

Not really sure where this should go, but... the site (as in TV Tropes) is asking me permission to download sync.html.

"I'll show you the Dark Side." CM actors and kills
Zyffyr from Portland, Oregon Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Jan 13th 2021 at 6:18:13 AM

That is probably connected to a questionable advertisement, so I would suggest the "Advertising and Computer Security Issues on TV Tropes" thread in Frequently Asked questions. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13223684920A10189100

LaundryPizza03 Maintenance? from Texas
Maintenance?
Jan 13th 2021 at 9:50:36 AM

I am still under the impression that even as an Artistic License – Chemistry trope, Technicolor Science is too common in real life as too many compounds, particularly those with transition metals, are brightly colored. Parts of the description would need to be removed as well.

    From Technicolor Science 
  • The University of Leicester once synthesized a krypton compound named "kryptonite" for a lark. It was a colorless crystal with a green light under it, but at least it's fairly harmful (it's a powerful oxidizer), unstable, and contained some radioactive krypton.
  • In some cases, you don't need to look much further for colourful chemistry than your own body. Bruises, for example, will change colour as the body processes the chemicals, from fresh, albeit deoxygenated blood (dark red to purple, depending on how deep the bruise is under the skin), then to bluish green as white blood cells move in to clean up, breaking down haemoglobin into the bile pigment Biliverdin, then to various shades of brown and yellow as the clean up process continues, producing another bile pigment, Bilirubin, then finally back to your natural skin tone as the bruise is completely cleaned up and healed.
  • Inorganic and Organometallic Chemistry involves attaching small molecules (usually white powders) to the surface of metal ions (usually in clear solutions). The resulting metal complexes are almost always brightly colored and can be anywhere from orange to green to purple depending on the metal and how strongly the chemicals are stuck to it. Admittedly almost all other chemistry involves white powders, clear crystals or colorless solutions.
  • Burning salts will give different colors depending on the compound. Table salt burns yellow, copper salt burns blue, and potassium salt burns purple. This is also how they make those nifty little pods that turn campfires weird colours.
    • One of the first experiments most secondary school students are allowed to do once they have access to Bunsen burners is to set fire to various Group 1 and 2 elements. Magnesium burns with a brilliant white flame, pure sodium a rich yellow, calcium burns orange, and barium burns bright green!
  • One easy example of this trope is the "Electric Pickle" experiment, where a current passed through a pickle actually gets the pickle to glow. Though useless, it is fun to watch. The pickle's been featured in CSI and Beakman's World, to name a few instances.
  • The cover of the Corning catalogue features flasks, cylinders, and beakers with lovely shades of magenta, violet, and jade. Perhaps someone was running tests on various combinations of food coloring.
    • High school Chem books love that display. No surprise. However, it can be recreated (without food coloring, that's cheating) with the right bunch of aqueous solutions. Not that there's terribly much use for it, but it looks cool.
    • Magenta/violet/pink could be varying concentrations of potassium permanganate, which is a reasonably common compound used in real laboratories as an oxidizing agent.
  • Chalcanthite, a crystal form of Copper(II) sulfate, also known as cupric sulfate, blue vitriol or bluestone has a very distinctive bright blue colour.
  • Chromyl chloride, a very toxic compound of Chromium, Chlorine and Oxygen that has a handful of industrial uses, is a reddish-brown to blood red, and gives off reddish fumes.
  • Some very concentrated acids will give off visible fumes in Real Life, which may be either white or, on occasion, a reddish-brown.
    • Red fuming nitric acid is a popular storable hypergolic oxidizer for rocket engines. If you try to store it in a stainless steel container without adding hydrogen fluoride or something as an inhibitor, it will lose performance and turn green via corrosion of the steel.
  • Plutonium-238 pellet glow red with heat. The glow is thermal radiation, visible due to high temperature of the pellet. The pellet has been sufficiently insulated from its surroundings so that it has heated up to glowy temperature by its radioactive decay.
    • More stable plutonium (other isotopes) is silvery-white, though when it is exposed to air it quickly oxidizes, going from dull gray to pinkish-brown to green.
  • Radioactive cesium chloride (used in medical radiotherapy, among other things) is a white powder that emits a faint blue glow.
  • Some substances actually do change color when another substance is added. Indicators are an example, best known for changing color depending on the acidity of the solution they're in. For instance, bromophenol blue turns a lovely range between yellows and purples if enough acid is added to bring the pH between 3.0 and 4.6. Methyl orange produces some great reds and oranges, and phenolphtalein, a solution of which is colorless at normal pH, becomes a wonderful reddish purple if enough base (for instance Sodium Hydroxide) is added to bring the pH up to about 9.
    • This also works with red wine or grape juice. If you add a strong base (such as ammonia water), the red will disappear since the phenolic pigments in red wine and grape juice are pH-sensitive. Just don't try drinking it afterward...
    • Triphenylmethyl radical was recognised because solution becomes yellow when it was created.
  • Transition metal compounds are a good example: some familiar examples are potassium dichromate (orange), potassium permanganate (deep purple) and hydrated copper sulfate (blue). Nanoparticle solutions often glow brightly or at least have an interesting color (gold nanoparticle solution is bright pink!); aqua regia (a mixture of nitric and hydrochloric acid) is clear when made but turns orange in a few seconds.
  • "Electrons are blue" is a common joke explanation for a phenomenon: things with free electrons whizzing about tend to be bright blue.
    • This is because of intrinsic properties of free electron gas, which tends to absorb photons with energies in the "reds" range, thus leaving blue light to scatter and reflect. Most organic dyes are molecules with strongly delocalized electron clouds, and tuning the properties of these clouds is used to achieve a great variety of colors.
  • An enzyme disorder known as "Porphyria" can cause your pee to turn a bright purple in color.
    • Also, very large doses of vitamin C can turn it orange.
  • Perhaps many of those gooey green acids seen in Hollywood have been used to dissolve copper? Anyone who's done any analytical chemistry has probably dissolved copper using concentrated nitric acid. If the unknown sample that you're analyzing has contaminants in it (it usually does), dissolving it in the acid produces a very sickly-looking blue-green solution, sometimes cloudy. As a bonus, the stuff emits a torrent of putrid brown nitrogen dioxide as the copper dissolves.
    • Also, a common very strong cleaning agent is "chromic acid", which is normally yellowish-brown, but starts to turn bluish-green as the chromium is reduced by use.
    • Analytical chemistry is overall a bountiful source of flasks of colored liquids. Many tests for the presence of a compound signal a positive result with an obvious color change, while the Beer-Lambert law relates concentration to absorbance of light, making it useful to prepare colored solutions of a substance and stick them in a spectrophotometer. However, as instrumentation has advanced, the field has been moving away from visibly colored solutions to ultraviolet or infrared spectrophotometry, or to solutions so dilute the color is imperceptible.
  • A more recent development has been quantum dots, metal particles with well-defined sizes; the sizes give rise to specific energy transitions, leading to selective re-emission of photons at specific wavelengths. A very cool way to get specific colors, currently being investigated for use within solar cells.
  • Black bodies are objects that reflect little or no light, though they can emit their own light when heated up, and they change color depending on their temperature- going from red, orange, yellow, white, and blue. Incidentally, this is how the temperature of stars are measured.
  • Most basic lab work of vegetal physiology involves pigmentary extraction. That means that you end up working with bright green liquids.
    • One common demonstration of chlorophyll's photon-absorptive properties involves turning a suspension of chloroplasts from green to deep red.
  • "Molecular Biology is mostly mixing lots of clear liquids together in glassware (it's mostly disposable plastic nowadays)." That said, assays for DNA often involve fluorescent compounds (more specifically, chemicals that glow under UV only if they're within the DNA structure, quite cool) and in vivo experiments usually involve tagging things with GFP and it's engineered cousins, all of which fluoresce various colors when exposed to the right wavelength of light. The results are that the labs aren't very colorful, but the image data is.
  • Chlorine is quite a colorful element. In its common state, it's a pale yellowish-green gas, but when cooled and under pressure, it becomes a liquid not dissimilar in color to Mountain Dew. The other halogens do similar things; Fluorine is pale yellow, Bromine is a dark reddish-orange, while iodine exists as dark purple crystals that become a deep violet liquid when it melts.
  • Neon lights come in multiple colors, though only neon gas itself produces a bright orange glow when introduced to an electric charge. The other colors are made with Helium (pink), Argon (blue), Krypton (white), and Xenon (violet). Hydrogen and oxygen both have a lavender glow, though hydrogen is brighter. Mercury vapor is used in ultraviolet black lights, and sodium vapor is used for the bright yellow color of street lights.
  • Fireworks also come in multiple colors, with each color coming from burning a different metal, namely strontium carbonate for red, calcium chloride for orange, sodium nitrate for yellow, barium chloride for green, copper chloride for blue, a mix of strontium and copper chloride for purple, and pure barium for white.
  • This can be invoked when news sources want colored solutions for science labs (in one instance, toxicology for Purdey's Proof - Dispatches) in order to make the lab look more 'correct'. This is sadly standard practice for TV around the world - if you're in biology or chemistry, even serious news channels demand beakers full of colored liquids in the background during interviews.
  • Histology stains can turn cell parts all sorts of different colors, and some stains, like MOVAT's Pentachrome stain will make you think that you have dropped some acid before heading into the lab. The stains used in the field of histology chemically react with specific cell components and tissue characteristics. This is so that you can turn these structures different colors, making them easier to see for the purpose of microscopic analysis.
  • If different lines on plots in serious science are distinguished by colors, these are often loud colors. More subdued ones are harder to distinguish.
  • A popular project recommended in a lot of chemistry books for children involves coating pine cones or other such flammable things with various nitrates in order to make them burn odd primary and secondary colors in a campfire.
  • So common is this portrayal of science (especially chemistry) in the media that actual labs will often be decorated with some flasks and beakers containing brightly colored liquids, especially if anyone is filming a documentary or propaganda or any kind of educational video in them. One of Kent Hovind's creationist videos, for instance, features some guy in a white lab coat standing around holding a glass of bright purple liquid with some dry ice fog coming out of it.
  • As far as electronics go, it's common for gaming PCs and peripherals to have colorful lighting. Custom water-cooling setups can use colored water in the tubes.
  • Traditionally, pharmacists would have carboys of coloured liquids in their shop windows, so that a largely illiterate population could tell what sort of shop it was.
  • An aversion: As Cameron says during the 11th annual Desert Bus for Hope, experiments in organic chemistry should never produce a bright red oil. Usually, they involve yellow, light brown, or colorless liquids, or white crystals instead.

NRLEP candidates * ColorTropesCleanup
PlasmaPower No, Yu. Relationship Status: In love with love
Jan 13th 2021 at 10:03:51 AM

People have been adding And That's Terrible disclaimers to each on listed tropes on the NRLEP page.

Zyffyr from Portland, Oregon Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Jan 13th 2021 at 10:21:38 AM

[up]That would be something to take to ATT, and you should have some specific examples - including who and when.

PlasmaPower No, Yu. Relationship Status: In love with love
Jan 13th 2021 at 2:32:11 PM

What do you guys think of Police Brutality Gambit? Do the examples in the RL folder look okay? Apart from the one that says the incident occurred "recently" of course.

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