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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 3rd 2025 at 6:31:00 AM
I'm wondering about Repetitive Name. There's a crapton of entires in the RL folder. Makes me think this phenomenon is too common in real life.
Edited by PlasmaPower on Jan 11th 2021 at 9:41:39 AM
Thomas fans needed! Come join me in the the show's cleanup thread!The RL examples should obviously be restricted to Repetitive Names picked on purpose, and not those that accidentally arose.
Edited by Albert3105 on Jan 11th 2021 at 9:03:12 AM
BTW, are we ever going to have that restricted RL examples section that was proposed a couple of pages ago?
Thomas fans needed! Come join me in the the show's cleanup thread!I added Million to One Chance since someone did agree with me.
Also I do agree that Repetitive Name should be added, as the trope is for characters who are named as such for narrative purposes only.
I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose meIn the ROCEJ cleanup thread, Politics was brought up
as a problematic page. Other should probably also be looked at, especially "Businesses" and "Religion".
As myself and others argued, the definition of Role-Ending Misdemeanor is "when, due to objectionable behavior or even outright criminal misconduct in the personal life of a performer or creator (and despite the trope name, some of these role enders are straight-up felonies), they are fired in order to protect a project's reputation, or in the case of an independent performer or creator, forced to either reduce their public activity or outright leave the public scene because of the damage to their image." Emphasis mine.
It's suffered quite a bit of Trope Decay to cover any Real Life scandal that ended in the termination, resignation, or banning of some individual, even if that person is not a creator by the definition that TV Tropes uses (a person or group that produces creative works). Consensus was to take it to this thread.
Edited by Morgenthaler on Jan 11th 2021 at 10:40:47 AM
You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"![]()
I have noticed that pages tend to bloat as people stray from works/media/creators and into more esoterica like sports, food and now politicians that have little to do with tropes in media.
Can we have a vote as to whether or not to cut the page in question?
Edited by laserviking42 on Jan 11th 2021 at 2:03:23 PM
I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose meI think that the politics page should be turfed. It seems like a lot of shoehorning, and there is a lot of flamebait besides.
Case in point:
- In November 2019, Prince Andrew, the Duke of York, sat down with BBC Newsnight for an interview regarding his relationship with the deceased billionaire and convicted sex offender Jeffery Epstein, along with allegations of sexual assault against Andrew himself. This interview proved so disastrous that within a week of the broadcast—amid the fallout of what many inside (and outside) the UK declared to be the royal family's worst PR nightmare since the death of Princess Diana—Andrew announced that he was stepping away from all of his royal duties, including all two hundred-plus of his patronages, for the foreseeable future, and since then he has disappeared from almost all public life.
HumiliationConga.Real Life should probably be looked at as well... there's a lot of recent political examples...
Considering that Role-Ending Misdemeanor is almost entirely real life examples (save the in-universe section), where do we draw the line? Just make it In-Universe only? I would probably support that, but is that within the scope of this forum?
I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose meNo keep it you know performers. As in tv, film , etc. It's a valid trivia trope as it affects the work. It's just the politics an religion sections don't have anything to do with performers of media
Edited by miraculous on Jan 11th 2021 at 12:42:20 PM
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
I brought up the Politics section in the ROCEJ thread. I agree that politicians and other non-work figures should not be included. The politics section in particular is ridiculously bloated and I'd like to see it go.
I recall a mod and a couple other tropers brought up in another thread that Role-Ending Misdemeanor in general is very gossip-y and problematic, and I'm inclined to agree. Maybe the trope needs TRS, I don't know. What does everyone else think?
EDIT: Removed specific username of the mod to avoid potentially causing any trouble.
Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Jan 11th 2021 at 4:20:53 AM
Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining | Troper WallIts not that weird to cite when a work is stopped/ actor loses job from work because of something that happened. This does affect the work itself. Its just that it has ballooned to encompass stuff way out of it
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
I think the problem with the trope is the way that it is often used is very gossipy, and sometimes Edit War-y. I don't know, I have serious issues with the trope. I think it is being used to document drama, and I don't know if we can trope it without attracting drama importation.
If everyone wants to keep though that's fine. I was just expressing my issues with the trope.
Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining | Troper WallI don't believe we've had an instance where a creator's fans (or hell, the creator themselves) rushed in to Edit War over their inclusion. I think we're fine ATM on that front.
The "Unsorted" folder is unsurprisingly also a mess, with about 1 or 2 legit examples (the Australian entertainer/musician and the Pinball designer, and maybe Momokun, if you're being charitable and calling Cosplay a form of creative entertainment). There's even a duplicate entry for Prince Andrew.
Edited by Morgenthaler on Jan 11th 2021 at 1:51:19 AM
You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"It's all a horrible mess, but looking at it I think that the following should be cut:
- Politics (having nothing to do with troping media)
- News and Columns (its very similar to politics, just referring to news anchors and journalists, still very flame-batey)
- Sports (there's even a folder for animal athletes, should go)
- Other (keep advertising, literature, comic strips and axe the rest)
Thoughts?
I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose meAh OK. I felt like there were edit wars on Role-Ending Misdemeanor but if there weren't I guess the trope can stay.
Definitely cut the stuff in
, those aren't people we trope. Should we add it to the crowner?
Not sure about cutting "Adult Entertainment" though. They're still creators, even if there's more Porn Without Plot than Porn with Plot. I do think they fit the definition for this more than any other section on the chopping block.
Edited by Morgenthaler on Jan 11th 2021 at 4:31:41 AM
You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"So the Sports examples in Role-Ending Misdemeanor are closer to Politics and Real Life than the work of fiction media (Live-Action TV, Magazines, Literature, etc)?
EDIT: This would mean the page image needs to be changed, as it's about sports.
Edited by SomeLibre on Jan 11th 2021 at 8:00:00 PM
Cassie | they/them/he | Help needed for filling out entries on the Series X SCP category
x23 Okay, quiet down:
- Body Sushi: Too NSFW? Would imply NRLEP.
- Autopsy Snack Time: Examples Are Not General. Probably too common in real life; try NRLEP.
- Baguette Beatdown. Current examples have natter problems and/or violate EANG or Weblinks Are Not Examples. Unsure about NRLEP.
- Camp Cook: The first sentence of the only example suggests that it is too common in real life. It definitely sounds like People Sit on Chairs. NRLEP.
- Buffet Buffoonery: EANG; too common in real life? NRLEP.
- Chez Restaurant: Too common in real life. NRLEP.
- Little People Are Surreal: Impossible in real life. NRLEP.
- Repetitive Name: Too common in real life. Restrict to deliberate invocations, if not outright NRLEP.
- Humiliation Conga: Cut anything about recent politics; unsure about the other examples.
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Alright, another cargo of tropes!