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Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the staff to add the trope via this thread.

This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.

Common problems include:

Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.

If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.

If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.

Before adding to the crowner:

  • The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
  • There must be support from others in thread.
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  • Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.

When adding to the crowner:

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  • Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
  • An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).

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  • Must have been up for a minimum of a week
  • There must be a 2:1 ratio
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  • Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP or LRLEO index
  • Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page

Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need a crowner vote.

As per Real Life Troping, we never trope unscripted real life sports — so sports tropes where RL examples would only apply to those scenarios don't need a crowner vote.

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%% Trope was declared Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

LRLEO tag:

%% Trope was declared Administrivia/LimitedRealLifeExamplesOnly via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%The following restrictions apply: [list restriction(s) here]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

Notes:
  • This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
  • Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
  • As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
  • The [[noreallife]] tag no longer works. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. Per word of admin as of 2025, any replacement for this system will not use markup, so these tags can be removed.
  • If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the staff to add the trope via this thread.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 3rd 2025 at 6:31:00 AM

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#8926: Nov 25th 2020 at 11:06:19 AM

Bringing this over from the other thread, I think real life examples of Trumplica could be possible, but it’d have to be someone doing something along the lines of Elvis Impersonator. Except, you know, with Trump instead of Elvis.

Edited by ShinyCottonCandy on Nov 25th 2020 at 2:06:46 PM

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#8927: Nov 25th 2020 at 11:08:41 AM

Alright, so should we just cut the current Real Life section since it's misuse anyway and not add it to the crowner until a bigger problem arises?

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#8928: Nov 25th 2020 at 11:12:32 AM

[up]I’m in favor of that. It seems unlikely that the crowner would vote to NRLEP it anyway, given the way it’s been trending on recent items.

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#8929: Nov 25th 2020 at 11:19:01 AM

That's because some recent items were added without proof of a current problem, hence why I linked the folder.

Edited by mightymewtron on Nov 25th 2020 at 2:19:07 PM

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#8930: Nov 25th 2020 at 1:03:25 PM

Trumplica was launched this year, so I'm surprised it wasn't made NRLEP before it was launched, since we've had Word of Mod statements that TLP drafts can be made NRLEP and/or IUEO without the need for a forum thread.

Plus, it's about fictional characters who are directly based on Trump (pretty sure that would be a subtrope of No Celebrities Were Harmed), rather than someone who merely shares his views.

Edit: The characters in the page image also look like Trump in addition to sharing other traits. One of the real life examples is Jair Bolsonaro, who's compared to Trump for his political views, but the two don't resemble each other physically. (For one thing, Bolsonaro has better hair if the image on his Useful Notes page is anything to go by.)

Edit: I'm fine with just cutting Trumplica's real life section for misuse even if we don't make it NRLEP. The first paragraph of this post was just a comment on the draft and not a vote on the final product. I just meant I'm surprised it wasn't made NRLEP in the draft stage since 2020 is Trump's fourth year, regardless of whether anything is done here.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 25th 2020 at 3:21:32 AM

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#8931: Nov 25th 2020 at 1:35:12 PM

I cut the RL folder on Trumplica, linking back to this thread. No need to make it NRLEP as of now since it was all misuse anyway.

Edited by mightymewtron on Nov 25th 2020 at 4:35:45 AM

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#8932: Nov 25th 2020 at 1:39:13 PM

How is Properly Paranoid? There's some controversial examples but I think it's too common.

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#8933: Nov 25th 2020 at 1:45:26 PM

[up] I concur. Most examples are about politics, and particularly government conspiracies, and one about the immune system even compares it to a totalitarian Police State.

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PlasmaPower Piece of Cake. Since: Jan, 2015
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#8934: Nov 25th 2020 at 4:56:47 PM

Here are some examples from ProperlyParanoid.Real Life

  • Fidel Castro. The CIA tried to assassinate him over six hundred times. He ultimately died of natural causes in 2016 at age ninety. Who else but a true paranoid would consider exploding seashells?

What?

  • It is the job of the CIA, KGB, Mossad, etc. to be Properly Paranoid. ANY intelligence group that uses secrecy as its M.O. causes this trope by mere existing, and that's just the KNOWN ones. The ones that are completely unknown are even worse. We presume.

This is a general example.

  • The human immune system is, in many ways, a totalitarian police state, with many mechanisms of identifying anything potentially treasonous (cancer cells, virus-infected cells, etc.) or alien (bacteria, parasites, etc.) The standard procedure for anything that fits those categories that isn't a member of the commensal flora/slave underclass is to immediately kill it, and considering what allowing pathogens to fester in the body can result in, it's a pretty good mindset. As is also the case with totalitarian police states, it can get overzealous and attack healthy cells or things that are harmless. The former is called an autoimmune disease, and the latter is called an allergy. Sufficiently serious cases of either one can be fatal.

Yea I don't get why it's comparing it to a totalitarian police state either.

  • Many of Bernie Sanders' supporters for the 2016 election believed that the DNC was rigging the election in Hillary's favor, to which others would respond that they were being sore losers for crying out that the election was unfair. But as the Democratic Convention came to Philadelphia? It turns out that the DNC did have a preference for Hillary Clinton and had suggested making several moves to further help her, although all the documented cases of such came very late in the primary after Clinton's victory was already assured, and none of these suggestions seem to have ever been put into action. This controversy led to the resignation of Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the chairperson of the DNC at the time, and is generally believed to be a deciding factor in Donald Trump winning the election.

Political example.

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#8935: Nov 25th 2020 at 5:05:01 PM

Huh seems Fidel did face off against exploding seashells....

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PlasmaPower Piece of Cake. Since: Jan, 2015
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#8936: Nov 25th 2020 at 5:15:54 PM

A citation in that entry probably would've helped. It just confused me.

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#8937: Nov 25th 2020 at 5:21:08 PM

The Savage Indian has been on the crowner for 3 days now and is well above the consensus threshold, so I think it's safe to resolve it as NRLEP.

Edited by Kappaclystica on Nov 25th 2020 at 5:24:39 AM

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#8938: Nov 25th 2020 at 5:26:18 PM

[up] Definitely. When I saw your comment, I was honestly shocked there was one to begin with.

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PlasmaPower Piece of Cake. Since: Jan, 2015
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#8939: Nov 25th 2020 at 6:13:43 PM

Can I add Properly Paranoid to the crowner? Also, would it be considered gossip to consider someone paranoid?

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#8940: Nov 25th 2020 at 7:39:42 PM

[up] Eh, maybe we should try a bit of cleanup first.

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#8941: Nov 26th 2020 at 1:37:17 AM

Properly Paranoid isn't actually calling people paranoid. It says that they took actions that could look paranoid (or at least excessively cautious) to others, but were actually right.

PlasmaPower Piece of Cake. Since: Jan, 2015
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#8942: Nov 26th 2020 at 2:44:46 AM

I thought the trope was about paranoid characters that the story paints as right.

Edited by PlasmaPower on Nov 26th 2020 at 6:44:56 AM

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#8943: Nov 26th 2020 at 3:24:30 AM

I'm thinking that Determinator.Real Life should be looked at too. It's quite gushy about real life people. There's even a section about political figures.

I'm bringing this up now because I learned about people trying to trope Chadwick Boseman as one to gush about him a while back.

I've also discovered Real Men Love Jesus and that's quite a doozy of a section. It's just posting people tropers like that are also religious.

Edited by PlasmaPower on Nov 26th 2020 at 7:31:25 AM

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#8944: Nov 26th 2020 at 3:32:04 AM

From Determinator.Real Life

  • Say what you will about Those Wacky Nazis, but they may have been some of the biggest Determinators in history. Nazi Germany was grossly outnumbered in WWII ◊, plus they were the only true superpower of the Axis, while the Allies had the Soviet Union, Great Britain, and America. During their series of battles with the Soviet Union, the Germans soldiers were often outnumbered four to one. But despite all that, they refused to give up until Berlin was completely surrounded and all hope was truly lost.
    • The part about the Nazis being outnumbered and fighting against great odds is factually false and is part of the many pieces of Nazi propaganda that are still popular in pop-history today. At the start of the invasion, they had 4 million troops assigned to Operation Barbarossa of which were their most well-equipped and high readiness units, while the Soviet strength was almost half that and consisted of very poorly equipped and trained forces. In fact, despite the Soviets poor state and vast losses sustained in the early stages of the war, the first mass surrender (rather than piecemeal as units were destroyed or ran out of supplies) on the eastern front was a German one once the war stopped going their way.
    • Certain individual Nazis also lived up to the trope. Hitler had numerous health problems because of stress brought about by the war. But instead of giving up so his health could return, he simply had his doctor dope him up on whatever meds he thought would help.
    • Then there's the infamous Rudolf Hess flight. Hess, knowing that there was no realistic way Nazi Germany could beat the odds against them, flew on a solo peace mission (that Hitler may or may not have known about) to Great Britain to try to end the war. Considering Churchill repeatedly turned down Hitler's peace offers, it was pretty much a suicide mission. But Hess figured if there was a one percent chance of it working, he had to try.
Ew...

From Real Men Love Jesus:

  • Richard Kiel was a devout Christian and concluded his autobiography with an invitation to pray and join the faith.
  • Russell Crowe. He even has expressed hope in being baptized.
  • Director David Ayer is a Christian and created the character of Boyd Swan in Fury to give a realistic depiction of faith in World War II.
  • Martin Freeman, despite being known for swearing like a sailor, is a devout Roman Catholic.
  • A surprising amount of web reviewers, most notably Lewis Lovhaug, Allison Pregler and MarzGurl. The creator of Infamous Animation is Christian as well, which he mentions in his review of the 2007 The Ten Commandments animated film.
  • Chris Pratt is a Christian and said the birth of his son Jack restored his faith in God.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Nov 26th 2020 at 6:41:40 AM

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#8945: Nov 26th 2020 at 3:49:34 AM

I didn't realize that Dying Moment of Awesome had RL examples untill I looked on the page. Its so gushy and long that someone could become diabetic trying to read the page. Should we really have this page?

Edited by PlasmaPower on Nov 26th 2020 at 7:50:24 AM

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#8946: Nov 26th 2020 at 4:08:55 AM

[up] Show me.

PlasmaPower Piece of Cake. Since: Jan, 2015
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#8947: Nov 26th 2020 at 4:15:48 AM

There are a lot of Wall of Text examples on that page, I can't bring them all up here, so here's some standouts for me.

  • Raúl Julia's final appearance in Street Fighter: his motivation for starring in that role was because his children were huge fans of the franchise and it allowed him to combine his two passions in his final days: his acting and his children. He also wanted a nice big paycheck to help provide for his family. He absolutely devoured the scenery, had so much fun doing it few would never guess he was physically weak and sick during the performance (other than being somewhat pale), and psycho-crushed that film from forgettable to an experience few would ever forget. Vaya con Dios indeed, Raúl.

  • The final 18 months of David Bowie's life were marked by a struggle with cancer. It was kept a private matter and in the final weeks of his life he not only saw a stage musical he co-wrote, Lazarus, have an off-Broadway world premiere, but released , an album he specifically wrote and recorded to serve as a Grand Finale for his career. It arrived in stores on January 8, 2016 (his 69th birthday), two days before his death.

  • Nearly a decade before the aforementioned moment with Liviu Librescu and the Virginia Tech shooting, there was homeroom teacher, Shannon Wright, who sacrificed her own life in the 1998 Westside Middle School shooting in Jonesboro, Arkansas by protecting a student by shielding her with her own body. Making her death all the more tragic is that she was set to retire the previous year to be a stay-at-home mother to her young son, only to stay one more year because of how much she loved teaching.

  • Korean Admiral Yi-Sun-Sin got a cool one during the invasion of Japan into his homeland. His fleet was blockading a port taken by the Japanese, but enemy reinforcements were on their way. Yi went away with a part of his fleet to meet the enemy reinforcements. The odds were against him were about 150 to 500 Japanese. After a battle taking most of the night, the Japanese tried to run. Yi ordered his ships to pursue, beating the drum himself to urge the rowers to row ever faster. They overtook them ship by ship, firing at them with their cannons, while enemy arquebuses returned fire. Then, for a bit, the drum faltered. Only his son, his nephew and a single servant saw that Yi had been struck by one of the enemy shots. They rushed to his side, asking how they could help him. He answered, with his last breath, "We are about to win the war. Keep beating the drum. Do not let anyone know of my death." His son took up the mallet and continued beating the drum. Yi's son and nephew both took a set of Yi's armor, and took up command. For hours they commanded as if they were Yi. Only as the sun set, the sea filled with wrecks, and a Chinese commander sailed his flagship to Yi to invite him to celebrate, the fleet learned that Yi had died. It was the last naval battle of the war. 300 Japanese ships were destroyed or captured.

As a side note, Friend to All Children has RL examples. That's quite clearly a Morality trope.

Edited by PlasmaPower on Nov 26th 2020 at 8:17:12 AM

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#8948: Nov 26th 2020 at 7:43:06 AM

I found one example of Friend to All Children which is potentially problematic:

  • Hồ Chí Minh built up an image of this. Several of his famous photographs are of him being affectionate towards and/or surrounded by children, feeding them, celebrating the Mid-Autumn Festival/Children's Holiday with them, etc. Allegedly this is because (in his words) he had neither family nor children, and considered the Vietnamese people his family. He wrote poems about children and their education, as well as letters (which includes the creed of the Young Pioneer Organization), and mentioned the importance of their education and happiness throughout his career and in his will.

I find it uncomfortable to be possibly whitewashing a dictator.

The rest seem mostly harmless, to be honest.

Edit:

  • Michael Jackson tried to give himself this image, claiming that his charity work and eccentric Manchild nature was partly because he hadn't much of a childhood himself. Unfortunately, multiple accusations of child molestation brought against him ruined that, and though he was never actually found guilty of such crimes in court (and friends like Macaulay Culkin vouched for his innocence), they left a black mark on his reputation until he died. Bringing up this Elephant in the Living Room issue now, instead of just celebrating him for his music and charitable work, inevitably leads to condemnation from the Vocal Minority of his fanbase.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Nov 26th 2020 at 6:21:14 AM

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#8949: Nov 26th 2020 at 1:35:42 PM

Why does Grand Finale have RL examples? These all seem like shoehorning to me.

    Real Life 
  • This trope could be interpreted for any artist (musician, filmmaker, writer, painter, cartoonist, etc.) who has finished his career with his last work before opting for permanent retirement.
  • Perhaps showing how NASA's engineers knew of this trope, the final part of the Cassini mission to Saturn, in which the spacecraft orbited between the rings and the planet itself before it was finally deorbited into Saturn's atmosphere, was baptized "The Grand Finale".
  • In Australia, both the Australian Football League and National Rugby League (as well as several other sporting leagues) refer to their premiership-deciding game as the Grand Final.
  • Francis Fukuyama's 1992 book The End of History and the Last Man famously portrayed the Cold War as the Grand Finale of human history. He predicted that the ideological conflict between the West and the Soviet Union (i.e. democracy vs. authoritarianism, and capitalism vs. communism) would be the world's last major ideological conflict, and that its outcome would set the stage for all of human history to come—signaling the advent of the final evolution of human society and government. Notably, the book became rather outdated in the following decade, when the The War on Terror and the Great Recession led many historians to question Fukuyama's conclusions.
  • Network Death and the like can result in this for television and radio stations if they are shutting down or changing formats. Some may be just be a brief or abrupt sign-off with little to no fanfare, but some do go the extra mile to pay tribute to their history before turning off the transmitter for good (or switching to "stunt" transitional programming).
    • In 2019, New York City adult contemporary station WPLJ was sold to a Christian radio network, and ended a 71-year run as a commercial station. Their final days on-air in May 2019 were met with much fanfare, including a promotion in which the station would play through songs from 1971 (the station's first year under the WPLJ calls) to the present to "clean out" its music library, while there were also on-air reunions of past personalities, and a final toast to the station at around 7:00 p.m. on May 30, after which the station flipped to the K-Love network.
    • British movie channel Carlton Cinema folded with the rest of the short-lived ITV Digital operation in 2003: its closedown included a montage of film scenes set to Alice Faye's "You'll Never Know".
    • Fox Soccer shut down with a clip of soccer footage being interrupted by that one It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia scene where a couch gives birth to Frank, hailing the official launch of its replacement — the comedy-oriented FX spin-off FXX.
    • During the transition to digital television in the UK, Northern Ireland was the final region to perform the analogue shutdown. BBC One Northern Ireland's final sign-off culminated with the blue and yellow mirror globe ident from the 70's, followed by a scene of a control room with a plush of Digit Al (the mascot used in campaigns informing viewers of the transition) on top of a screen with said mirror globe, and the monitors behind it showing a series of classic BBC One idents from each subsequent era (beginning with the Computer Originated World) and an obituary for Ceefax (which also shut down due to the transition). BBC Two Northern Ireland had a similar sign-off done over the classic BBC 2 animated stripes of the early 80's, which animated off-screen in reverse
    • Completely averted for Nickelodeon's Japanese channel- it was in the middle of a bumper when the plug was pulled. The channel later came back and is still going today.
    • The last night of The WB (before its merger with UPN to form The CW) featured a "Night of Favorites and Farewell" — with airings of the pilot episodes of Felicity, Angel, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and Dawson's Creek, peppered with flashbacks of the network's history (and promos for the DVD sets and the cable channels showing off-network reruns of said series), concluding with a final montage featuring a shadowed Michigan J. Frog bowing to the audience as their curtain fell. WPIX, the network's New York City station, followed it up with a montage of their past logos (with music from that era accompanying each one) before officially rebranding as CW 11 for the 10 o'clock news.

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#8950: Nov 26th 2020 at 1:43:14 PM

Barring NASA, none of those are even real life examples as they still refer to media one way or another, especially the section about network death.

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