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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 3rd 2025 at 6:31:00 AM
Yeah, are the non-recent examples problematic, or just the recent ones?
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Only some of the recent ones.
Beautiful All Along is a narrative trope and attracts gossip and general examples. Add it to the crowner?
I'm back!A bit of cleaning will probably suffice for Hoist by His Own Petard.
For Beautiful All Along, most of it is general examples and they are going to go away as soon as I finish this post. The remaining 4, I could go either way on.
Edited by Zyffyr on Nov 17th 2020 at 8:37:00 AM
Lethally Stupid only features a probably-shoehorned general example, and prior to that it listed anti-vaxxers which was deemed controversial. As a trope judging people's intelligence, it's probably too controversial to list RL examples anyway.
- In regards to technological health; a script kiddie+ is considered more dangerous than a hacker because at least a hacker knows what he or she is doing. On the rare occasions that they don't, and manage to destroy something important by pure accident, a hacker usually has sufficient knowledge to fix whatever it was they broke, even if they have to resort to a scorched-earth format-and-reinstall.
I fail to see what is so controversial about calling people who willingly endanger their children's lives stupid. If anything, I think that is being charitable.
Then again, calling people stupid in real life would possibly create controversy.
I'll be blunt: the idea of refusing to vaccinate one's own child, unless there is an actual valid medical reason to do so, is child abuse as far as I am concerned. I realize it could possibly create controversy to call people stupid, and I agree that we do not want real life examples for that reason, but I am dumbfounded that "VaCciNeS cAuSe aUtIsM!
◊" is even remotely considered an acceptable reason to endanger a child's life. With all due respect to anti-vaxxers, they can take their offended feelings and shove them up their asses.
This coming from someone on the Autism Spectrum, BTW.
Edit: It would be utterly hilarious how controversial medical facts are, if it weren't so goddamn sad. If I had my way, anti-vaxxers would be hauled off for child abuse and endangerment.
Edited by SkyCat32 on Jan 4th 2021 at 10:00:40 AM
Considering how...volatile those people can get on the net, I think it's best left cut.
How's your day been?Also, before the second above post possibly gets thumped or mod-edited, I would like to preemptively nominate Soft-Spoken Sadist as a morality trope, even if it had its real life examples removed already. I do not want to take chances.
Edited by SkyCat32 on Nov 19th 2020 at 9:45:45 AM
Should we allow RL examples of Bald Black Leader Guy? There's a lot of ZC Es and it seems too common in real life.
Thomas fans needed! Come join me in the the show's cleanup thread!If anything, Bald Black Leader Guy should be NRLEP because it refers to creators making an intentional narrative choice to have an authority figure be bald and black. The real life section seems to be a list of bald black guys who coincidentally ended up as leaders.
I got a rock for Halloween.Bald Black Leader Guy does not require a narrative decision, so it can't be NRLEP'd on that basis.
The majority of tropes are intentional narrative choices. Some tropes may be based off trends in reality, which is why the Real Life sections can be useful. Bald Black Leader Guy seems to be about a certain stereotype, though, because a list of bald black guys in charge of an organization is just as useful as a list of bald black guys who sit on chairs. It's not like these men were added to their positions in real life because they were bald and black and that made them look mature and tough. (At least I'd hope not?)
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.Would it just be too common? I know that I got added Cool Car to NRLEP because tropers were listing any car that they liked.
Thomas fans needed! Come join me in the the show's cleanup thread!
It's a subtrope of Meaningful Appearance. The first sentence of that trope's description is "The appearance of people used as a way to convey information about them", which is in contrast to all the appearance "tropes" that were cut for being meaningless coincidences.
Edit: Also, FridgeGuy called it a narrative decision a day before I did.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 21st 2020 at 5:43:00 AM
I got a rock for Halloween.I mean...everything a writer writes is a conscious decision. It's not like we just black out and produce a story that features a Bald Black Leader Guy. People have to sit there and intentionally decide these things.
On that note though, what trope doesn't require a conscious decision by the creator?
Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper WallFratbro has real life examples, but they seem to exemplify it as gossip and stereotyping. Should it be added to the next crowner?
My musician pageAll tropes are affirmative decisions, even if the reasoning behind them is not something a creator is consciously considering at the time. That is, in fact, part of the definition of "Trope" on this website. Tropes do not occur in Real Life, because RL has no narrative intent and no author.
We tolerate RL examples of some tropes because they can be entertaining and informative, but if they cause problems, they get thrown out.
Edited by Fighteer on Nov 21st 2020 at 6:35:07 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"![]()
...Realistically, I'm not even sure why glitches are considered tropes. They're not storytelling devices...
Game-Breaking Bug could be thought of as an act of omission in the form of improper QA, but honestly it's the kind of thing that properly goes in Trivia, as it's not an intentional creative choice, unless it becomes an Ascended Glitch at some point.
Edited by Fighteer on Nov 21st 2020 at 6:36:45 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
If not Trivia, then maybe YMMV (since it involves the audience experiencing something put in by mistake), since Good Bad Bugs (whose description says to contrast with Game-Breaking Bug) is YMMV. Either category would be Not a Trope anyway.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 21st 2020 at 5:39:45 AM
I got a rock for Halloween.
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I don't know, I don't think that's a necessary response. My idea is to have a waiting period of at least 10 years to prevent "point and laugh" or otherwise possibly ROCEJ-violating reactions.