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Real Life section maintenance (including NRLEP and LRLEO) (New Crowner 9/20/25)

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Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the staff to add the trope via this thread.

This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.

Common problems include:

Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.

If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.

If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.

Before adding to the crowner:

  • The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
  • There must be support from others in thread.
  • Any objections should be addressed.
  • Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.

When adding to the crowner:

  • Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
  • Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
  • An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).

In order for a crowner to pass:

  • Must have been up for a minimum of a week
  • There must be a 2:1 ratio
  • If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
  • Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP or LRLEO index
  • Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page

Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need a crowner vote.

As per Real Life Troping, we never trope unscripted real life sports — so sports tropes where RL examples would only apply to those scenarios don't need a crowner vote.

Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.

After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.

NRLEP tag:

%% Trope was declared Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

LRLEO tag:

%% Trope was declared Administrivia/LimitedRealLifeExamplesOnly via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%The following restrictions apply: [list restriction(s) here]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

Notes:
  • This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
  • Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
  • As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
  • The [[noreallife]] tag no longer works. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. Per word of admin as of 2025, any replacement for this system will not use markup, so these tags can be removed.
  • If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the staff to add the trope via this thread.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 3rd 2025 at 6:31:00 AM

PlasmaPower Piece of Cake. Since: Jan, 2015
Piece of Cake.
#8801: Nov 4th 2020 at 2:45:07 PM

The King Of Hate

  • Arc Words: From 2017, continuing into 2019, is Taxes. Seldom a stream has gone by without Phil mentioning the sizable amount he owes, and him appealing for support. Come late 2020, after receiving a chapter 7 bankruptcy to deal with near a half a million dollars of debt and claiming that tax issues are a thing of the past. The word has shifted to Chargebacks. Claiming that he is receiving fake tips, which somehow steal the real tips he has received, and thus needs more tips to make up the difference...somehow.

This seems like real life troping.

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ShinyCottonCandy Everyone's friend Malamar from Lumiose City (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Everyone's friend Malamar
#8802: Nov 4th 2020 at 2:50:35 PM

[up]There’s definitely not the kind of narrative that Arc Words require there.

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PlasmaPower Piece of Cake. Since: Jan, 2015
Piece of Cake.
#8803: Nov 4th 2020 at 2:51:32 PM

[up] LetsPlay.The King Of Hate has had problems with real life troping in the past, so it's best to keep an eye out on the page.

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mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Word Up
#8804: Nov 4th 2020 at 3:25:52 PM

Made of Evil, as brought up here, should be made No Real Life. I'm not sure if it's because of morality (the issue in this post was claiming people can be Made of Evil because they commit heinous acts) or impossible in real life (as there's no proof of inherently evil substances IRL, much less people physically made of them).

[down][down] It got listed under Truth in Television, meaning people are shoehorning it in Real Life scenarios, just not on the page.

Edited by mightymewtron on Nov 4th 2020 at 8:28:13 AM

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Dhiruxide Since: Dec, 2016
#8805: Nov 4th 2020 at 5:19:12 PM

I am not an editor, and I think this is the right place, but do we need rl examples of CruelAndUnusualDeath.Real Life and BodyHorror.Real Life?

It's disturbing, and very graphically written. I mean, do we really need examples?

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#8806: Nov 4th 2020 at 5:22:05 PM

Made of Evil doesn't have RL examples; no need to ban something that doesn't exist.

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mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#8807: Nov 4th 2020 at 5:30:51 PM

[up][up] The first things I see on the Body Horror subpage are AIDS and lupus. That feels like Unfortunate Implications - we're basically inviting people to gawk at sick people's bodies as horrifying. It's also inaccurate to say any horror involving the body is Body Horror.

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Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
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#8808: Nov 4th 2020 at 5:32:17 PM

[up][up] that reminds me: several of the examples of ImageLinks.Body Horror and the only example on ImageLinks.Fingore are gtaphic irl images. Is that... okay?

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jandn2014 SMILE! from somewhere in Connecticut Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Hiding
SMILE!
#8809: Nov 4th 2020 at 5:36:23 PM

[up] Well, I guess they at least added a warning for the former...?

Either way, I’d say Body Horror can be added for the same reason Cartoonish Companions was made NRELP (insensitive and derogatory comments about people with various physics disorders). Saying “Please bring Brain Bleach and Fire with you....Sleep Tight.” about real physical deformities feels super-wrong to me.

Edited by jandn2014 on Nov 4th 2020 at 8:41:39 AM

jandn2014 SMILE! from somewhere in Connecticut Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Hiding
SMILE!
#8810: Nov 4th 2020 at 5:55:48 PM

All of Nervous Wreck‘s RL examples violate Examples Are Not General. Should it be added to the crowner for being too common?

LordGro (Old as dirt)
#8811: Nov 5th 2020 at 1:10:29 PM

Made of Evil doesn't have RL examples; no need to ban something that doesn't exist.

NRLEP status also determines whether a trope can be applied to Real Life elsewhere on the wiki, in potholes or otherwise. If a trope is frequently misused in this way around the wiki, there might be a reason to make it NRLE even when there are no Real Life examples on the trope page.

Edited by LordGro on Nov 5th 2020 at 10:10:55 AM

Berrenta Bejeweled (she/her) (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Bejeweled (she/her)
#8812: Nov 5th 2020 at 2:27:05 PM

Should we add Sore Loser to NRLEP? I have a feeling it's very common in real life—only public events are listed.

Edited by Berrenta on Nov 5th 2020 at 4:28:58 AM

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Goku Black
#8813: Nov 5th 2020 at 4:31:49 PM

Is their any reason why Fame Through Infamy isn't NRLE. Isn't this a trope literally about getting famous through evil deeds.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ShinyCottonCandy Everyone's friend Malamar from Lumiose City (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Everyone's friend Malamar
#8814: Nov 5th 2020 at 4:51:41 PM

[up]Only the first one is more than speculative, being self-professed, so at the least it’d be fair to put it on the crowner.

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LaundryPizza03 Maintenance? from Texas Since: Aug, 2020
Maintenance?
#8815: Nov 5th 2020 at 5:09:17 PM

I'll need to holler again to get the crowner swapped out with the next one. I've added Shameful Strip, Defiant Strip, and Made of Evil.

I took a look at Human Hummingbird and I agree that it is shoehorned. Add it to the crowner. Since the Real Life folder is misplaced, I'll list it here:

  • It is possible to do it with the right lighting, such as CRT displays and other strobing light sources.

EDIT: Added Body Horror to the crowner as well.

Edited by LaundryPizza03 on Nov 5th 2020 at 7:18:02 AM

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Berrenta Bejeweled (she/her) (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Bejeweled (she/her)
#8816: Nov 5th 2020 at 6:55:08 PM

Okay, swapping.

Zyffyr from Portland, Oregon Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#8817: Nov 5th 2020 at 8:58:44 PM

Killed the speculative entries on Fame Through Infamy. Regardless of the vote result, speculation = not an example.

PlasmaPower Piece of Cake. Since: Jan, 2015
Piece of Cake.
#8818: Nov 5th 2020 at 9:18:08 PM

Question, what do we do about the Body Horror entries that aren’t about humans? Like there was one entry about mushrooms growing out of bugs that I liked.

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mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#8819: Nov 5th 2020 at 9:31:21 PM

Hmm. Maybe we can compile the non-human examples and set a standard that no real life human examples apply.

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LaundryPizza03 Maintenance? from Texas Since: Aug, 2020
Maintenance?
#8820: Nov 5th 2020 at 9:38:51 PM

~Berrenta: It's plausible; I see a general example about throwing the board in Go.

Can we do So Beautiful, It's a Curse? The first example is general and many of the others are rather gossipy. I get the impression is that it is too common in real life.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#8821: Nov 6th 2020 at 1:06:25 AM

I've voted against NRLEP'ing Body Horror. The animal examples are not particularly problematic and since several works of fiction were inspired by Cordyceps they are actually useful as a comparator.

Also, I'll update the thread title.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#8822: Nov 6th 2020 at 1:21:15 AM

Isn't conditional NRLEP allowed? We can keep the animal examples, but listing human beings and their medical conditions as Body Horror can definitely come across as unintentionally ableist.

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LaundryPizza03 Maintenance? from Texas Since: Aug, 2020
Maintenance?
#8823: Nov 6th 2020 at 7:45:55 AM

Humans Are Psychic in the Future is too speculative to allow Real Life examples, even if telepathy is not impossible with technology. It doesn't help that Psychic Powers are impossible in their own right...

Also, I'll add Human Hummingbird (for being an animation trope that is impossible) if nobody objects.

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ShinyCottonCandy Everyone's friend Malamar from Lumiose City (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Everyone's friend Malamar
#8824: Nov 6th 2020 at 7:50:21 AM

I don't know if we need to NRLEP Human Hummingbird. I cut the one real-life example that was there for not fitting the trope, but there doesn't seem to be persistent misuse. Of course, I won't vote against it being NRLEP.

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LaundryPizza03 Maintenance? from Texas Since: Aug, 2020
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#8825: Nov 6th 2020 at 7:53:25 AM

[up] Typically, one example is enough to prove shoehorning. I'll add it anyway. There is also concern that it is impossible in live-action media...

Any opinions on Humans Are Psychic in the Future and So Beautiful, It's a Curse?

Edited by LaundryPizza03 on Nov 6th 2020 at 9:58:54 AM

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Vote UP to cut real life examples; vote DOWN to keep.

Anything marked DONE has been resolved.

In order for a crowner to pass:

  • Must have been up for a minimum of a week
  • There must be a 2:1 ratio
  • If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
  • Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP or LRLEO index
  • Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page

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