Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
- Squicky content
- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
Before adding to the crowner:
- The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
- There must be support from others in thread.
- Any objections should be addressed.
- Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.
When adding to the crowner:
- Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
- Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
In order for a crowner to pass:
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- There must be a 2:1 ratio
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
- Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP index
- Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page
Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need a crowner vote.
As per Real Life Troping, we never trope unscripted real life sports — so sports tropes where RL examples would only apply to those scenarios don't need a crowner vote.
Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.
After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.
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Notes:
- This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by Mrph1 on May 13th 2024 at 9:30:24 AM
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I still don't understand the reasoning behind this position. What harm does it do to preemptively declare pages where real life examples would be bad as NRLEP?
I honestly think that What Could Have Been needs to be removed from the NRLEP list. Almost every single example I found involves creators dropping details from a work for the final product, effectively making it more of an example of Real Life Writes the Plot if anything.
Blapper of Water
RE :
- At least in 2017, mods voiced concern that we were being too loose with making things NRLEP. Turns out, this thread has lasting impact on the direction of the wiki, as our decisions also affect TLP. Restricting this thread to cases where there are actual problems helps put a power check on active participants in this thread.
- Another reason is that this is a maintenance thread. We're supposed to maintain RL sections, not cut them and salt the earth. It goes against the purpose of the thread to tackle pages that don't have RL sections already.
- A third reason may be that we could be wrong in making something NRLEP. Examples in a RL section would help illustrate the problem the trope has with RL examples, but without any such examples to go off on, the arguments for making the given trope NRLEP are wholly based on theoretical problems.
RE: Fascists' Bed Time. Some of the examples seem like shoehorns. I mean, children needing to be escorted in malls has nothing to do with the trope other than the fact that there's a curfew. The trope is not merely "curfews exist." The RL section has at least two problems. First, the "curfews exist" entries. Second, the trope concerns curfews as evidence of a government's evil-ness. Additionally, this trope focuses heavily on government's forcing people to go home, but many examples in the RL section are about businesses being forced to close or racist laws forcing certain groups to stay home.
All in all, it seems like the entries in the RL section aren't even examples. This may not require NRLEP status, but since we'd need discussion prior to cleaning the section anyway, I might as well ask if we can cut the section entirely for not listing valid examples. (Or if we should cut most of the examples due to not being valid, in which case I'll list in this thread what ones I'll be cutting.)
What Could Have Been having a RL section would require RL to take place in a narrative, which it doesn't. Also, there are an infinite number of possibilities of "could have happened but didn't." It would also suffer from being "too common in RL" (assuming it could happen at all). You may have stumbled on misuse that requires clean-up.
Edited by WaterBlap on Jun 7th 2020 at 3:51:38 AM
Look at all that shiny stuff ain't they pretty
What do you guys think of Miscarriage of Justice? I’d probably axe the Real Life section for being too common.
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The Draftsman of Doom
Not deadpan snarker level, but still too common for real life.
Your friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man.
For Miscarriage of Justice, there are a few entries in the RL section that can be reworded a bit and moved to other sections (Film for the documentaries, and one Music entry). The rest should probably go.
Fascists' Bed Time: definitely cut the misuse. I am on the fence re:NRLE Ping it.
Edited by Zyffyr on Jun 9th 2020 at 5:35:02 AM
So can I add Miscarriage of Justice to the crowner?
I still haven’t gotten an answer for You Can Panic Now and The World Is Always Doomed.
Also, Is The World Is Always Doomed a narrative device, or just impossible in real life?
EDIT: There's also If It Bleeds, It Leads for that matter, too.
Edited by PlasmaPower on Jun 10th 2020 at 4:23:00 PM
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What do you guys think of the examples on History Repeats?
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You think we can end the crowner on Cool Car now? It's pretty obvious that most people are for removing those examples.
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she/her
The real life section on A Tankard of Moose Urine takes up 40% of the page's word count and lists pretty much every type of beer in existence. I'm not saying it needs to be completely removed (although I'm not opposed to removing it), but it definitely needs to be trimmed.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Looks like Complaining About Beers You Don't Like, and it's ridiculously subjective regardless. (Disclaimer: I don't drink alcohol, so I might be the wrong person to ask.) That said, the first thing listed is a radio show, so wouldn't it be better to make a Radio folder and put it there (with better Example Indentation)?
Edit: Speaking of me not drinking alcohol, I've been drinking caffeine since before I became old enough to legally drink alcohol, and Bad to the Last Drop's Real Life folder looks like a non-alcoholic counterpart to the one on A Tankard of Moose Urine.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jun 28th 2020 at 10:06:18 AM
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I think A Tankard of Moose Urine could use a trim, but not cut completely. The perception of Domestic (American) beers as being terrible is widespread enough and shows up in some fictional examples.
"It's just a show; I should really just relax"
I'm Sad Frogerson.
I found that there's a Real Life folder for The Soulless. I don't the trope can really be applied to real life, since it requires the existence of souls to be known and that someone lacks one. The two entries listed are about a) how psychopaths can come across this way and b) how this might produce Complete Monsters (putting aside that trope doesn't allow real examples).
So, permission to remove any real life entries?
Cross-wired freak
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go ahead
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I'm going to unleash thousands of rabid weasels.
...Nah, just kidding. The above post used the wrong arrow. But yeah, the Real Life section of The Soulless was bad. I added a timestamp to its entry and the one for Cool Car; the latter might be safe to call.
Edit: Just saw that Cool Car's entry was already mentioned, but nobody said anything else regarding it.
Edit: Regarding History Repeats, maybe real life examples could fall under No Recent Examples, Please! instead. Too tired to completely analyze it and think it through.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jul 3rd 2020 at 1:10:16 PM
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Cross-wired freak
WHOOPS
The Real Life section of Getting Smilies Painted on Your Soul seems... dubious, mostly the bits about psychiatric medication
Listen to my podcast
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
The very first sentence of the description is "A character is made happy against their will." Doctors aren't force-feeding people medicine (or if they are, they should be reported).
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jul 3rd 2020 at 1:24:48 PM
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Cross-wired freak
yeah, there's legitimate criticisms of the psychiatric industry, but that just feels like "pills are brainwashing!" Bs
It can happen against a person's will if that person is a child, but children are generally not prescribed antidepressants for obvious reasons.
Should Serious Business be in the chopping block for Real Life examples? Like seriously, there's so many examples, there's folders in the page for each thing.
Also, is Windbag Politician kosher?
Edited by PlasmaPower on Jul 8th 2020 at 8:32:28 AM
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The Draftsman of Doom
I'd say that we need to examine Serious Business more closely, but that there are probably going to be some ROCEJ violations in there.
As for Windbag Politician...Would it be in bad taste if I said the real life section should be impeached?
Your friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man.
Windbag Politician actually doesn't have that bad a real life section, IMO. I won't shed any tears over losing it, but the entries mainly just describe politicians with a habit of giving extremely long speeches, which isn't a particularly severe ROCEJ issue to my mind.
Anyone else for putting Serious Business in the crowner?
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Yeah, Serious Business is a storytelling trope in which something is treated more seriously than it should in their universe. Anything could be considered "serious business" by anyone, and the real life section seems to attract complaining. There was an entry about life being serious business with a phrase that seemed to romanticize suicide.
There's also the "too common in Real Life" issue too - a vast majority of subjects are likely to have someone treating it as Serious Business.
Though to be brutally honest I find the page a bit too entertaining to remove, even though I do not think its location is appropriate.
Edited by Albert3105 on Jul 9th 2020 at 5:15:28 AM
Crown Description:
Vote up to either forbid all real life examples (No Real Life Examples Please) or forbid real life examples for specific subjects (Limited Real Life Examples Only); vote down to Keep Real Life Examples. To add a trope to a No Real Life Examples Please index or the Limited Real Life Examples Only index, its crowner option must meet the following criteria:- Stable 2:1 ratio needed for NRLEP or LRLEO
- The item have been on the crowne for a minimum of a week
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple of extra days to see if more votes come in.
