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Real Life section maintenance (including NRLEP and LRLEO) (New Crowner 9/20/25)

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Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the staff to add the trope via this thread.

This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.

Common problems include:

Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.

If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.

If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.

Before adding to the crowner:

  • The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
  • There must be support from others in thread.
  • Any objections should be addressed.
  • Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.

When adding to the crowner:

  • Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
  • Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
  • An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).

In order for a crowner to pass:

  • Must have been up for a minimum of a week
  • There must be a 2:1 ratio
  • If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
  • Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP or LRLEO index
  • Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page

Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need a crowner vote.

As per Real Life Troping, we never trope unscripted real life sports — so sports tropes where RL examples would only apply to those scenarios don't need a crowner vote.

Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.

After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.

NRLEP tag:

%% Trope was declared Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

LRLEO tag:

%% Trope was declared Administrivia/LimitedRealLifeExamplesOnly via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%The following restrictions apply: [list restriction(s) here]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

Notes:
  • This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
  • Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
  • As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
  • The [[noreallife]] tag no longer works. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. Per word of admin as of 2025, any replacement for this system will not use markup, so these tags can be removed.
  • If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the staff to add the trope via this thread.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 3rd 2025 at 6:31:00 AM

FridgeGuy2016 No-lifer from United States Since: Feb, 2016
No-lifer
#8026: Mar 26th 2020 at 8:59:19 PM

Honestly, when we see a real life example on a trope that isn't NRLEP but shouldn't have real life examples, it's a knee-jerk reaction to suggest we make it NRLEP. I don't know why, but it happens.

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WaterBlap Blapper of Water Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Blapper of Water
#8027: Mar 28th 2020 at 1:24:43 PM

I get that, but there should be enough sensible people in this thread to point out that we just can't have such an extreme reaction to one entry. A more sensible reaction is to just clean the page. Cutting the RL section and banning it outright is a very extreme measure and should be treated with the respect it deserves.

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ading Since: Jan, 2011
#8028: Mar 29th 2020 at 6:46:57 PM

I'd like to nominate Worst. Whatever. Ever! to be added to NRLEP, it seems to me like an obvious case of "too common in real life to trope".

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (3,795/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (3,795/50,000)
#8029: Mar 29th 2020 at 6:57:55 PM

[up] There's only one Real Life example there so far and it's just a Trump quote, so I'm apathetic; it doesn't seem like we need to take action here, though whether or not the quote belongs there is a different matter.

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FridgeGuy2016 No-lifer from United States Since: Feb, 2016
No-lifer
#8030: Mar 30th 2020 at 9:08:58 AM

[up] I'm pretty sure Donald Trump (the real person, that is) shouldn't be a subject of any trope example (the Trump and ROCEJ says that), so I think the example should be cut.

Edited by FridgeGuy2016 on Mar 30th 2020 at 9:11:59 AM

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WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (3,795/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (3,795/50,000)
#8031: Mar 30th 2020 at 1:09:56 PM

He's not the subject; something he said is the subject. Even pretending it's not a Trump quote, it could still be an example of the trope...

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WaterBlap Blapper of Water Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Blapper of Water
#8032: Mar 30th 2020 at 1:48:25 PM

Yeah, there are entries that are allowed where Trump or another politician is the subject. Note the three criteria in the stickied post in that thread.

This particular trope has a problem with ZCE quotes, but that is pretty much what the trope is, a stock phrase. I feel like that example could stay or go. But the trope shouldn't be made NRLEP over just one example.

Where's the pattern of issues? No pattern, not broke. Ain't broke, don't fix.

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#8033: Mar 31st 2020 at 7:04:20 AM

The Trump and ROCEJ thread guidelines are more meant for when discussing works/avoiding political shoehorning.

The three criteria WaterBlap mentioned for a current political figure being the subject of a trope example are for fictional works only, which this is not. There is an exception for when the politician is the creator of a work, in which case we can trope them in the context of the creator of that work. In no other case can a current political figure be the subject of an example.

Donald Trump is a current politician and the subject of the example (at least from a grammatical perspective.) If the quote were even remotely flame-baity, I'd remove it on those grounds, but it's fairly apolitical so I'll argue in favor of the spirit of the rules on this one.

FridgeGuy2016 No-lifer from United States Since: Feb, 2016
No-lifer
#8034: Apr 1st 2020 at 10:50:38 AM

I'm going to ask this: How do we determine when a trope is too common IRL to have real life examples?

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WaterBlap Blapper of Water Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Blapper of Water
#8035: Apr 1st 2020 at 11:03:01 AM

There's a few things it can mean:

  1. When there are so many examples in RL that the RL section would become full of general examples or inflated with innocuous and uninteresting examples. Like, the specific examples are mostly the same but since we can't have general examples the section becomes inflated with essentially the same example over and over again.
  2. When the trope is a totally normal thing and so listing examples is utterly bland and uninteresting.
  3. When examples cannot be validated and essentially become Troper Tales.

At first, "too common" was a valid reason for making something NRLEP, but by at least 2017 it became a deprecated reason for proposing NRLEP. Nobody ever removed that section from the Administrivia page, for some reason... I guess nowadays it's once again a valid reason for proposing NRLEP... it comes in waves.

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Theatre_Maven_3695 from Ontario, Canada (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Oh my word! I'm gay!
#8036: Apr 1st 2020 at 12:32:44 PM

The crowner just got bibblebobbled. I thought that bug was over?

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (3,795/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (3,795/50,000)
#8037: Apr 1st 2020 at 2:06:07 PM

[up] Nope, came back yesterday.

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Piterpicher Veteran Editor IV from Poland, for real (Series 2) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Veteran Editor IV
#8038: Apr 2nd 2020 at 12:03:18 AM

It was the administrators' (somewhat early) April Fool's joke, but I'll revert it as the day's over.

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WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (3,795/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (3,795/50,000)
#8039: Apr 2nd 2020 at 12:09:58 AM

[up] Yeah, keep saying that all you want, I highly doubt it's true.

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Piterpicher Veteran Editor IV from Poland, for real (Series 2) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Veteran Editor IV
#8040: Apr 2nd 2020 at 12:15:11 AM

You don't think so? Why? I personally think it would fit (it was a little early, but I assumed that was due to them being busy or trying to account for the earliest timezone). The previous waves weren't this, but I kinda assumed this one would be as it's a little too close to April 1st to be a coincidence and they would have known that redlinking works by the third "test", so they likely tried to annoy us on purpose...

Edited by Piterpicher on Apr 2nd 2020 at 9:18:58 PM

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WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (3,795/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (3,795/50,000)
#8041: Apr 2nd 2020 at 12:18:08 AM

Because it's just a random glitch that's happened too often for it to just be an April Fools joke. If they were going to pull a joke on us, why would they fuck around with our crowners? Why not do something sillier that doesn't actively cause problems for the wiki? Why would they damage all the crowners in such a way that takes our time and effort to fix, with the glitch lasting long after the joke would've been funny?

It makes literally no sense for it to be a joke. It's a nice thought, but highly unlikely.

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Piterpicher Veteran Editor IV from Poland, for real (Series 2) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Veteran Editor IV
#8042: Apr 2nd 2020 at 12:54:06 AM

That's a fair point. Good April Fool's jokes are relatively harmless and can easily be reverted once the day is over (like me creating an intentionally misspelled page). This one is going to be quite a pain to fix in comparison. Still uncertain on whether this is just a malfunctioning script, but yeah, it will have to be corrected.

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Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#8043: Apr 2nd 2020 at 4:43:26 AM

It's definitely either a bug or a consequence of some testing being done on the wiki; we've had no advance notice of any kind of April Fools' prankery by the admins.

Brainulator9 Short-Term Projects herald from US Since: Aug, 2018 Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
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#8044: Apr 2nd 2020 at 9:07:34 AM

If we're doing April Fool's stuff, you might as well swap out the logo or add a joke announcement.

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WaterBlap Blapper of Water Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Blapper of Water
#8045: Apr 2nd 2020 at 12:48:31 PM

Okay, this is ridiculous. I'm removing the entries that were added without agreement or discussion.

This includes "Worst. Whatever. Ever!" for only having one entry that could be removed for other reasons and "Took a Level in Kindness" since there was agreement not to include it in the crowner.

If you're going to unilaterally add a trope to the crowner, be prepared for it to be removed with just as much discussion.

Edited by WaterBlap on Apr 2nd 2020 at 2:48:41 PM

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Piterpicher Veteran Editor IV from Poland, for real (Series 2) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Veteran Editor IV
#8046: Apr 2nd 2020 at 12:55:45 PM

For the record, I didn't add them, I just restored them after the crowner was wiped with the glitch (that was Ading for the former and Tehrannotaur for the latter).

Edited by Piterpicher on Apr 2nd 2020 at 9:56:53 PM

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FridgeGuy2016 No-lifer from United States Since: Feb, 2016
No-lifer
#8047: Apr 2nd 2020 at 2:09:51 PM

Boo To The Zoo was added to NRLEP, but I deleted it due to the page's nonexistence. Was this an unlaunched trope or something?

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WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (3,795/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (3,795/50,000)
#8048: Apr 2nd 2020 at 2:12:23 PM

[up] Yep, it was rogue launched.

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FridgeGuy2016 No-lifer from United States Since: Feb, 2016
No-lifer
#8049: Apr 4th 2020 at 10:12:21 PM

I'm thinking of moving Permanent Elected Official to the Too Common folder of NRLEP. Any objections?

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WaterBlap Blapper of Water Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Blapper of Water
#8050: Apr 5th 2020 at 1:41:25 AM

I've always thought the sections were meant to explain the main original reason for the trope's being added. I've never seen the appeal of reorganizing the index, especially looking at it now where there's an AL trope in "too common" despite that literally being impossible.

I would say leave PEO alone. Especially if it is currently in "impossible in RL" as that is the polar opposite of "too common in RL."

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Vote UP to cut real life examples; vote DOWN to keep.

Anything marked DONE has been resolved.

In order for a crowner to pass:

  • Must have been up for a minimum of a week
  • There must be a 2:1 ratio
  • If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
  • Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP or LRLEO index
  • Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page

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