Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
- Squicky content
- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
Before adding to the crowner:
- The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
- There must be support from others in thread.
- Any objections should be addressed.
- Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.
When adding to the crowner:
- Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
- Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
In order for a crowner to pass:
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- There must be a 2:1 ratio
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
- Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP index
- Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page
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Notes:
- This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
No-lifer
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Bitch in Sheep's Clothing didn't have a RL section, but a troper added a real life example under the Music folder, and that example was just complaining about Courtney Love. That is why we made the trope NRLEP.
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to making Darkest Hour NRLEP.
Blapper of Water
Unless such a problem was recurring, that solution is overkill. One example does not show a pervasive or perpetual problem that needs the NRLEP status to solve.
Short-Term Projects herald
NRLEP-ing Darkest Hour.
IMO, I'm in favor of precautionary NRLEP statuses. If we know they cannot and should not exist, then let's not risk it, though it may be best to not make the NRLEP notice visible to all.
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Added Darkest Hour to the crowner.
TBH, I legitimately don't understand why preemptively bringing up a page here is considered a bad thing. It's not like this is such a fast-moving thread that it would waste people's time or something.
I'm surprised Darkest Hour wasn't already NRLEP. To making it NRLEP since it's a narrative trope.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Do we even need the crowner? We all agree to make it NRLEP.
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Eh, it doesn't hurt to have it for form's sake, especially since the way the crowner is structured, it's not like having one more trope on their is slowing down other, more pressing matters.
Is this a good place to discuss the overlong NRLEP notice on Permanent Elected Official? Apart from being, well, overlong, it is simply inaccurate - examples as defined in the trope description certainly occur in real life non-authoritarian governments (e.g "safe seats", highly popular incumbent politicians).
I think it's trying to draw a non-existent distinction between real life and fictional examples and muddles the trope definition in the process. It should probably be cut altogether, even if the trope stays NRLEP.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
No-lifer
We can trim it.
Didn't really read deep enough. If by definition the trope is by no means possible in real life, we can change the warning to "any real life examples would be shpehorning."
Edited by FridgeGuy2016 on Mar 22nd 2020 at 12:47:57 PM
Limpin' with the bizkit.
No, the other one.
I think it can just be cut.
The main problem isn't that it describes real life as being impossible to fit the trope, it's that it describes the actual trope incorrectly. It is possible for RL examples to fit, especially since the trope isn't as narrow as the notice pretends, nor does it exclude all exceptions to normally elected officials.
I don't know exactly why the trope was made NRLEP, but I suspect because we avoid troping politics and Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment.
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According to the page history, this trope has been NRLEP ever since 2011 and from the TLP on forward where the rationale given was "Natter Magnet". And the current notice was added by ~Gundamforce in July 2011. I also see on the discussion page that questions about the notice were raised six years ago.
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We got enough votes to call the following:
- Darkest Hour (24:2)
- Memetic Loser (19:5)
- Ridiculous Future Inflation (14:2)
These three are now NRLEP.
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Any other thoughts on Permanent Elected Official's notice?
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
No-lifer
If it's being misleading about its NRLEP status, cut it.
I've removed the misleading explainer text.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
No-lifer
So if the trope is not impossible in real life, then in what NRLEP category does it fit? I don't believe it would attract flamebait since it's about a politician's term, which itself isn't controversial.
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If it isn't that, the trope may be too common in real life or a narrative trope.
Edited by FridgeGuy2016 on Mar 26th 2020 at 9:49:25 AM
Limpin' with the bizkit.
The Draftsman of Doom
Well, in some cases, the politician themselves may be controversial.
That too.
Edited by SkyCat32 on Mar 26th 2020 at 2:53:09 PM
Rawr.
Blapper of Water
Anybody have any comments about this post and the removal of Took a Level in Kindness from the crowner?
No-lifer
I don't think we can remove things from the crowner. As for that post, I'm not sure if we should remove Bishōnen Line from NRLEP, even if it never had one in the first place. The troper added it after we said it can't happen (but we didn't have any vote to ban real life examples), so technically it was added with discussion.
I am not a regular contributor to this thread, but as it was me who initiated the NRLEP ban on Bitch in Sheep's Clothing I might as well join in.
I'm a troper who doesn't do a whole lot on TV Tropes on a normal day, but I put aside 10+ minutes every day to survey and clean up new edits made to pages that are on my watchlist. I am vain enough to believe that this activity is to the benefit of the wiki.
The reason I brought Bitch in Sheep's Clothing here is this example that was added to the Music folder:
I actually deleted the example first because I assumed it was a NRLEP violation. Then I noticed that the page was not NRLEP at all.
Imagine Bitch in Sheep's Clothing is not on the NRLEP index, then how am I supposed to deal with this example? How could I ever prove that Courtney Love did not murder her family? Maybe she did! What do I know! So maybe instead of deleting it, I ought to correct the faulty capitalization and move the example to the Real Life folder (which I would have to create for it).
Personally I would do nothing, though. If Bitch in Sheep's Clothing allows RL examples, I would not touch the example at all. There would be no justification to delete it. Doing so might get me accused of being in cahoots with Courtney Love. It could get me suspended from editing. The example could get TV Tropes sued for defamation, but that's not my problem. TV Tropes doesn't have a rule against defamation. On the other hand, fixing capitalization or moving to the correct folder would only support this kind of RL examples, and I hate them.
Long story short, I think the NRLEP on Bitch in Sheep's Clothing is not only justified, it's necessary.
Edited by LordGro on Mar 26th 2020 at 11:39:14 AM
Let's just say and leave it at that.
Blapper of Water
We've removed things from the crowner in this very crowner. There's an entry that was a duplicate and was removed for that reason. Either way, though, merely having a discussion isn't enough. The discussion has to agree to adding the trope to the crowner. I mean, why bother having a discussion at all if people can just add the trope regardless of the outcome of that discussion?
We can't seriously consider making something NRLEP because of one entry that could be cut for a smorgasbord of reasons.
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Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Er, yeah, here are some of the other reasons that example could be deleted:
- Troping the person
- Troping controversies
- Bashing and flame-bait
- Bringing up unverified information
- Being general misuse of the trope, and unqualified to even be in the Music folder
Crown Description:
Vote up to either forbid all real life examples (No Real Life Examples Please) or forbid real life examples for specific subjects (Limited Real Life Examples Only); vote down to Keep Real Life Examples. To add a trope to a No Real Life Examples Please index or the Limited Real Life Examples Only index, its crowner option must meet the following criteria:- Stable 2:1 ratio needed for NRLEP or LRLEO
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
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So, Schoolyard Bully All Grown Up has real life examples, but one seems biased and another is general...
- NBC CEO Jeff Zucker is perhaps the prime person responsible for screwing Conan O'Brien out of The Tonight Show. Zucker and O'Brien headed up rival school newspapers when they went to Harvard together. No joke.
- According to the New York State Police Department, a Downplayed Trope version of this is Truth in Television: 1 in 4 schoolyard bullies will get a criminal record for a felony before he turns 30. Not quite supervillain material, but still notable.
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