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Real Life section maintenance (including NRLEP and LRLEO) (New Crowner 9/20/25)

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Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the staff to add the trope via this thread.

This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.

Common problems include:

Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.

If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.

If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.

Before adding to the crowner:

  • The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
  • There must be support from others in thread.
  • Any objections should be addressed.
  • Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.

When adding to the crowner:

  • Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
  • Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
  • An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).

In order for a crowner to pass:

  • Must have been up for a minimum of a week
  • There must be a 2:1 ratio
  • If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
  • Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP or LRLEO index
  • Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page

Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need a crowner vote.

As per Real Life Troping, we never trope unscripted real life sports — so sports tropes where RL examples would only apply to those scenarios don't need a crowner vote.

Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.

After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.

NRLEP tag:

%% Trope was declared Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

LRLEO tag:

%% Trope was declared Administrivia/LimitedRealLifeExamplesOnly via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%The following restrictions apply: [list restriction(s) here]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

Notes:
  • This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
  • Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
  • As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
  • The [[noreallife]] tag no longer works. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. Per word of admin as of 2025, any replacement for this system will not use markup, so these tags can be removed.
  • If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the staff to add the trope via this thread.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 3rd 2025 at 6:31:00 AM

GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#7851: Jan 3rd 2020 at 4:59:14 PM

[up]If there are no real life examples, then real life examples aren't causing problems. As I previously said in this thread, we usually taken an "innocent until proven guilty" approach here.

I got a rock for Halloween.
RallyBot2 (Elder Troper) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
#7852: Jan 3rd 2020 at 9:00:05 PM

[up]With an exception for obvious Flame Bait, of course.

FridgeGuy2016 No-lifer from United States Since: Feb, 2016
No-lifer
#7853: Jan 3rd 2020 at 9:00:18 PM

We should add "We do not preemptively make tropes NRLEP even if we feel like they should be" to the pinned post.

Limpin' with the bizkit.
WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#7854: Jan 3rd 2020 at 9:58:28 PM

New troper Velvetta Rabbit randomly deleted the Real Life sections on Abusive Precursors and A.I. Is a Crapshoot.

Edited by WarJay77 on Jan 3rd 2020 at 1:03:15 PM

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FridgeGuy2016 No-lifer from United States Since: Feb, 2016
No-lifer
#7855: Jan 3rd 2020 at 10:52:36 PM

Hold on. Isn't A.I. Is a Crapshoot NRLEP anyway? Because that troper was right to do that. But for Abusive Precursors, they could have just deleted that general example about parents to their children.

Limpin' with the bizkit.
WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#7856: Jan 3rd 2020 at 10:56:18 PM

[up] Is it? I reverted it because they didn't leave a deletion reason (and I didn't know it was NRLEP since, well, the section was there to begin with), but if it shouldn't be there, we should cut it with an actual reason.

...That said, this troper did way more, so this comes off as agenda-driven, not genuine.

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GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#7857: Jan 4th 2020 at 9:07:22 AM

[up]I checked the indexing at the bottom of the page, and it is in fact NRLEP.

I got a rock for Halloween.
WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#7858: Jan 4th 2020 at 11:08:03 AM

[up] Yeah, I did too. Still unconvinced that's why they deleted it, though.

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GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
FridgeGuy2016 No-lifer from United States Since: Feb, 2016
No-lifer
#7860: Jan 4th 2020 at 3:42:45 PM

[up] That's what I thought too. Now maybe we should move on here.

Limpin' with the bizkit.
ADrago Since: Dec, 2015
#7861: Jan 5th 2020 at 12:06:36 PM

I believe Ending Fatigue should be NRLEP, due to being a narrative criticism. I bring this up because this was added to The New '10s:

Brainulator9 Short-Term Projects herald from US Since: Aug, 2018 Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
Short-Term Projects herald
#7862: Jan 5th 2020 at 12:23:18 PM

[up] Agreed.

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WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#7863: Jan 5th 2020 at 12:25:38 PM

I agree.

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MathsAngelicVersion Ambassador of Eurogames and Touhou Music from Gensokyo Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Ambassador of Eurogames and Touhou Music
#7864: Jan 5th 2020 at 3:44:16 PM

I recently launched Immoral Journalist, and am pretty sure it has to be NRLEP. It's a morality trope, and a real-life section would likely degenerate into Complaining About Journalists You Don't Like. I suspect there'd also be a high risk of agenda-based editing and Flame Bait. Any objections to making it NRLEP?

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#7865: Jan 5th 2020 at 3:48:34 PM

[up] I don't object.

Brainulator9 Short-Term Projects herald from US Since: Aug, 2018 Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
Short-Term Projects herald
#7866: Jan 5th 2020 at 6:01:14 PM

[up][up] Nope.

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GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#7867: Jan 5th 2020 at 6:38:30 PM

I think Ending Fatigue should be filed under the Not Possible in Real Life folder, because real life has no pre-scripted narrative

Edit: [down]That works better.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 5th 2020 at 11:26:39 AM

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Brainulator9 Short-Term Projects herald from US Since: Aug, 2018 Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
Short-Term Projects herald
#7868: Jan 5th 2020 at 7:14:42 PM

[up] Why not under the "narrative" folder?

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FridgeGuy2016 No-lifer from United States Since: Feb, 2016
No-lifer
#7869: Jan 5th 2020 at 7:24:39 PM

~Maths Angelic Version If the trope was launched as NRLEP (and nobody objects to it), it can be added to the list. I will go ahead and do so.

Limpin' with the bizkit.
GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#7870: Jan 5th 2020 at 7:43:02 PM

[up][up]I took another look at the index, and that section does work better than what I previously said.

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FridgeGuy2016 No-lifer from United States Since: Feb, 2016
No-lifer
#7871: Jan 7th 2020 at 4:25:54 PM

What about this note in the NRLEP page?

If you wish to discuss additions and/or removals for this list, see this thread. Do not add or remove any item arbitrarily.

Should we comment it out and put it at the top of the page?

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GastonRabbit C'est la vie. (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
C'est la vie. (he/him)
#7872: Jan 8th 2020 at 4:11:08 AM

[up]That might work, but if it's restricted to a commented-out note, the link would have to be copied and pasted manually instead of being clickable.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 8th 2020 at 6:14:01 AM

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shadowblack Since: Jun, 2010
#7873: Jan 8th 2020 at 6:58:15 AM

Standard Evil Empire Hierarchy has an Other folder that lists real contries and real people even though thhe trope seems to be about hirarchies in fiction.

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#7874: Jan 8th 2020 at 9:03:46 AM

[up]I believe that constitutes a major violation of ROCEJ. Cut them all. If it shows up again, we can add that trope to the crowner.

Edit: Looks like you did. If it shows up again, we make it official.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Jan 8th 2020 at 12:04:47 PM

FridgeGuy2016 No-lifer from United States Since: Feb, 2016
No-lifer
#7875: Jan 8th 2020 at 2:36:16 PM

@ GastonRabbit Yes. But some tropers most likely don't read the message when deciding to add tropes without discussion. Since the edit screen starts at the top of the page, I'm sure they'll see that warning before they add any tropes.

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Crown Description:

Vote UP to cut real life examples; vote DOWN to keep.

Anything marked DONE has been resolved.

In order for a crowner to pass:

  • Must have been up for a minimum of a week
  • There must be a 2:1 ratio
  • If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
  • Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP or LRLEO index
  • Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page

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