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Real Life section maintenance (including NRLEP and LRLEO) (New Crowner 9/20/25)

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Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the staff to add the trope via this thread.

This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.

Common problems include:

Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.

If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.

If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.

Before adding to the crowner:

  • The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
  • There must be support from others in thread.
  • Any objections should be addressed.
  • Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.

When adding to the crowner:

  • Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
  • Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
  • An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).

In order for a crowner to pass:

  • Must have been up for a minimum of a week
  • There must be a 2:1 ratio
  • If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
  • Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP or LRLEO index
  • Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page

Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need a crowner vote.

As per Real Life Troping, we never trope unscripted real life sports — so sports tropes where RL examples would only apply to those scenarios don't need a crowner vote.

Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.

After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.

NRLEP tag:

%% Trope was declared Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

LRLEO tag:

%% Trope was declared Administrivia/LimitedRealLifeExamplesOnly via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%The following restrictions apply: [list restriction(s) here]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

Notes:
  • This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
  • Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
  • As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
  • The [[noreallife]] tag no longer works. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. Per word of admin as of 2025, any replacement for this system will not use markup, so these tags can be removed.
  • If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the staff to add the trope via this thread.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 3rd 2025 at 6:31:00 AM

FridgeGuy2016 No-lifer from United States Since: Feb, 2016
No-lifer
#7676: Sep 19th 2019 at 5:35:14 PM

For Unperson.Real Life, should I delete the entire General folder per Examples Are Not General?

Edited by FridgeGuy2016 on Sep 19th 2019 at 5:35:31 AM

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WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#7677: Sep 19th 2019 at 6:26:28 PM

Yes.

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RallyBot2 (Elder Troper) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
#7678: Sep 20th 2019 at 4:30:23 PM

[up][up]As a note, there were a couple examples in it that were non-general or could easily be made so. That's something to watch out for when getting rid of a General section. (Still, we're not losing anything of value and they can be added back in their proper folders if anyone actually cares.)

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#7679: Sep 25th 2019 at 7:31:06 PM

I believe that due to the polarizing nature of politics, I do not believe that politicians should be allowed to be listed as Ensemble Dark Horses. Additionally, sports examples should be moved to their own page, or an other media page, rather than a real life page.

Overall, I think that listing real life people as ensemble darkhorses would be just as much flame bait as listing real life scrappies, as not everyone likes the real people listed on this trope.

FridgeGuy2016 No-lifer from United States Since: Feb, 2016
No-lifer
#7680: Sep 25th 2019 at 10:17:57 PM

Was Light Is Not Good ever on the NRLEP list? It's on Keep Real Life Examples, but if you go into edit mode, you'll find a [[noreallife]] tag between the description and examples line.

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nendroid Since: Mar, 2013
#7681: Sep 26th 2019 at 8:59:22 AM

[up]It is

Edited by nendroid on Sep 26th 2019 at 9:01:23 AM

Brainulator9 Short-Term Projects herald from US Since: Aug, 2018 Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
Short-Term Projects herald
#7682: Sep 26th 2019 at 9:27:50 AM

It's on both indexes.

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SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#7683: Sep 26th 2019 at 12:54:38 PM

Can someone please acknowledge my post regarding my concerns towards Real Life EDH examples?

FridgeGuy2016 No-lifer from United States Since: Feb, 2016
No-lifer
#7684: Sep 26th 2019 at 2:40:31 PM

I meant was Light Is Not Good NRLEP before last month?

Found out that it indeed was not on the index before mid-August. So I deleted it from the list.

Edited by FridgeGuy2016 on Sep 27th 2019 at 4:42:24 AM

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FridgeGuy2016 No-lifer from United States Since: Feb, 2016
No-lifer
#7685: Sep 27th 2019 at 1:39:00 PM

[up][up] And I do agree that politicians should not be allowed as examples of Ensemble Dark Horse due to how controversial they get.

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Brainulator9 Short-Term Projects herald from US Since: Aug, 2018 Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
Short-Term Projects herald
#7686: Sep 27th 2019 at 3:13:03 PM

Isn't Ensemble Dark Horse a narrative thing, anyway?

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FridgeGuy2016 No-lifer from United States Since: Feb, 2016
No-lifer
#7687: Sep 27th 2019 at 4:45:47 PM

Yes. The definition, in short, is "a minor but extremely popular character to the audience." I don't know what else to say except that nobody is a "minor" character in Real Life.

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FridgeGuy2016 No-lifer from United States Since: Feb, 2016
No-lifer
#7688: Sep 28th 2019 at 10:11:44 PM

As for other problems with that page, the Politics sections looks like a natter festival.

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WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#7689: Sep 28th 2019 at 10:13:39 PM

I already said on the Ensemble Dark Horse thread that I agree with making it NRLEP...

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FridgeGuy2016 No-lifer from United States Since: Feb, 2016
No-lifer
#7690: Sep 29th 2019 at 12:40:46 PM

Suppose it's time to add it to the crowner?

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SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#7691: Oct 2nd 2019 at 5:53:37 AM

Bumping for help with the crowner.

Zyffyr from Portland, Oregon Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
FridgeGuy2016 No-lifer from United States Since: Feb, 2016
No-lifer
#7693: Oct 4th 2019 at 3:49:43 PM

Is there any reason Awful British Sex Comedy is on the list? It doesn't list any examples of the tropeon its main page, just tropes featured in the genre.

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Brainulator9 Short-Term Projects herald from US Since: Aug, 2018 Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
Short-Term Projects herald
#7694: Oct 4th 2019 at 5:00:45 PM

Given some of these scores, I'm a bit worried that some of those tropes are not being made NRLEP for no good reason. I have yet to see a counterargument for many of these, and I worry some of these are being kept on the grounds of "I like it".

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FridgeGuy2016 No-lifer from United States Since: Feb, 2016
No-lifer
#7695: Oct 4th 2019 at 7:18:18 PM

I know adding tropes to the list without discussion is not allowed, but can exceptions be made if a trope is launched with a "no real life examples" message?

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RallyBot2 (Elder Troper) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
#7696: Oct 4th 2019 at 7:52:14 PM

Obviously if it's launched as NRLEP (with consensus) it can be added.

FridgeGuy2016 No-lifer from United States Since: Feb, 2016
No-lifer
#7697: Oct 4th 2019 at 9:07:32 PM

I've read some YKTTW archives where there was a "no real life examples" warning, and nobody talked about it in TLP

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Zyffyr from Portland, Oregon Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#7698: Oct 4th 2019 at 10:21:12 PM

Well, the rules such as they are do allow TLP to launch things as NRLEP, so unless there were objections raised it keeps it.

RE: Awful British Sex Comedy, it has been on the page since it was moved from the Main namespace in 2013. At the time, each item had its own note as to why. The note from it was : "Would be Complaining About Shows You Dont Like". How long it was on the page before that and who added it is lost to time since someone decided to cut the Main redirect, thereby making the old history unaccessable.

Since it is just defining a 'genre', there really couldn't be any RL examples anyway making the whole issue pointless.

Edited by Zyffyr on Oct 4th 2019 at 10:33:42 AM

FridgeGuy2016 No-lifer from United States Since: Feb, 2016
No-lifer
#7699: Oct 4th 2019 at 10:54:02 PM

So remove it from the list?

[up] Also, the Wayback Machine is your friend.

Edited by FridgeGuy2016 on Oct 4th 2019 at 10:59:09 AM

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SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#7700: Oct 7th 2019 at 10:14:59 AM

Has any consensus been reached on Ensemble Dark Horse?

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Crown Description:

Vote UP to cut real life examples; vote DOWN to keep.

Anything marked DONE has been resolved.

In order for a crowner to pass:

  • Must have been up for a minimum of a week
  • There must be a 2:1 ratio
  • If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
  • Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP or LRLEO index
  • Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page

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