Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
- Squicky content
- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
Before adding to the crowner:
- The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
- There must be support from others in thread.
- Any objections should be addressed.
- Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.
When adding to the crowner:
- Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
- Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
In order for a crowner to pass:
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- There must be a 2:1 ratio
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
- Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP index
- Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page
Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need crowner vote.
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Notes:
- This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
No-lifer
Then should i make it "Hero/Villain and Morality Tropes"?
Limpin' with the bizkit.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
I think just "Morality Tropes" is fine. Hero/Villain tropes are inherently about morality.
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"In distress", my ass.
I think the original "Morality Tropes" title was fine, as ![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
notes above.
Simply put, apply Occam's Razor to the section titles, and don't multiply entities unnecessarily. 
No-lifer
Last month, Cain and Abel and Seth was added to the list arbitrarily. (I deleted it not too long after it was added) I believe we should discuss it first.
Edited by FridgeGuy2016 on Aug 6th 2019 at 4:04:54 AM
Limpin' with the bizkit.
Cain and Abel and Seth has never had a RL section in the nearly 8 years it has existed, so there is no evidence of an actual need for it to be listed.
No-lifer
I decided to start working on ridding NightmareFuel.Other of stealth real life examples. Gonna do it one folder at a time.
To begin, I removed the whole "Abandoned Locations" folder since those were all inherently real life examples. Although I may need guidance on the rest of the folders.
Edited by FridgeGuy2016 on Aug 10th 2019 at 8:41:10 AM
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Sobriquet Sex Switch had one Truth in Television example that I moved to the description. Should it be a "no real life examples" trope?
No-lifer
Other than that one example, no problems are present. So no.
No-lifer
~Tropers/rjd1922 By the way, I removed those general examples from the RL section of Awful Truth.
Edited by FridgeGuy2016 on Aug 12th 2019 at 5:54:09 AM
Limpin' with the bizkit.
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Since transgender is NRLEP, shouldn't it apply to Sobriquet Sex Switch too?
Edited by Pichu-kun on Aug 12th 2019 at 7:01:04 AM
No-lifer
Just because a trope that isn't NRLEP is related to a NRLEP trope doesn't necessarily mean the former should be automatically made so. Unless there is good reason.
Edited by FridgeGuy2016 on Aug 12th 2019 at 10:40:22 AM
Limpin' with the bizkit.
Should we make Light Is Good a no real life example, I mean its dark example Dark Is Not Evil is listed as such.
Other tropes
- It Amused Me: Closely related to For the Evulz and Troll
- Sheep in Sheep's Clothing: for the same reasons as Jerk with a Heart of Jerk
No-lifer
We'll take a look at their real life sections (if they have one) first.
Limpin' with the bizkit.
I have a couple more tropes to add to the NRLEP list
Sorry if this is a long list but I feel it's been long overdue.
- '90s Anti-Hero
- Above Good and Evil
- Aesop Amnesia
- All-Loving Hero
- Always Lawful Good
- Ambiguous Innocence
- Anti-Hero
- Anti-Villain
- Bait the Dog
- Bastard Bastard
- Beauty Equals Goodness
- Being Good Sucks
- Bitch in Sheep's Clothing
- Cats Are Mean
- Chummy Commies
- Classical Anti-Hero
- Corrupt Bureaucrat
- Death Equals Redemption
- Deliver Us from Evil
- Evil Is Easy
- Evil Is Hammy
- Face–Monster Turn
- Freudian Excuse Is No Excuse
- Glory Hound
- Good Hair, Evil Hair
- Good Is Not Soft
- Greater-Scope Villain
- Greater-Scope Paragon
- Greed
- Hannibal Has a Point
- The Hedonist
- Hero Ball
- Hidden Heart of Gold
- Jerkass Ball
- Jerkass Realization
- Kick the Morality Pet
- Kindness Ball
- Makeup Is Evil
- The Mole
- Morality Pet
- No Sympathy
- Non-Action Big Bad
- Orphanage of Fear
- Pragmatic Hero
- Primary-Color Champion
- Punch-Clock Hero
- Ron the Death Eater
- Sadist
- Satanic Archetype
- Screw the Rules, I Have Money!
- Sealed Good in a Can
- Secondary Color Nemesis
- Slouch of Villainy
- Threw My Bike on the Roof
- To Create a Playground for Evil
- Too Good for This Sinful Earth
- Took a Level in Kindness
- Torture Technician
- Tragic Villain
- Treachery Is a Special Kind of Evil
- Unscrupulous Hero
- What Is Evil?
- White-and-Grey Morality
Edited by nendroid on Aug 15th 2019 at 4:28:55 AM
Stating that Scandinavia and southern US are the happiest places on earth is a bit tacky, even if its statistically accurate.
Dumping such a long list without giving any justification for why you want any of the tropes to be NRLEP is likely to get you ignored completely. People are going to want to discuss your points and having 63 discussions at the same time is borderline impossible.
It is my understanding that we do not make tropes NRLEP preemptively. The following pages are the only ones you listed that have Real life examples (some of them somewhat hidden):
Aesop Amnesia, Good Hair, Evil Hair, Sealed Good in a Can
Above Good and Evil, All-Loving Hero, Beauty Equals Goodness, Dirty Cop, Evil Is Easy, Makeup Is Evil, The Mole, No Sympathy, Primary-Color Champion, Screw the Rules, I Have Money!, Torture Technician, Treachery Is a Special Kind of Evil and Being Good Sucks
Il start the discussion by stating I think the first three should be NRLEP or at least have all current RL examples cut. And I find no problem with any of the examples in Being Good Sucks.
We might discuss the other ones later if we have the time. Some are certainly more problematic than others.
No-lifer
Sealed Good in a Can: The Nelson Mandela example seems rather... questionable:
- Anti-apartheid activist Nelson Mandela was imprisoned for twenty-seven years for his activism, mainly due to the ANC's usage of bombings and plans for guerilla warfare under his leadership after the 1960 Sharpeville Massacre.
And isn't potholing to NRLEP tropes from Real Life sections forbidden?
The rest of the examples in the RL section are general examples.
Edited by FridgeGuy2016 on Aug 16th 2019 at 7:47:06 AM
Limpin' with the bizkit.
Lost in Space
Yeah, murder that one with fire. The other examples are even worse.
Edited by Fighteer on Aug 16th 2019 at 10:54:09 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Short-Term Projects herald
Kill the Real Life section. I'll support NRLEP for that page as a morality trope.
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No-lifer
Added Sealed Good in a Can to the crowner.
Limpin' with the bizkit.
Sorry for the long list, so we'll start off with the A tropes (including '90s Anti-Hero) for discussion
'90s Anti-Hero: This one is a hero trope
Above Good and Evil: Character considers good and evil irrelevant in relation to his goals.
Aesop Amnesia: Character learns a moral but then forgets it immediately to maintain the status quo. It can go hand in hand with Chronic Villainy (Villain attempts to reform but keeps going back to being a villain)
All-Loving Hero: Hero trope and therefore a morality trope. It also contrasts with Lack of Empathy, which is also listed there.
Always Lawful Good: For the same reasons as Always Chaotic Evil. If that one is about a race where everyone is evil, then this is about that a race where everyone is good.
Ambiguous Innocence: Basically an (at least) neutral trope of Ambiguously Evil. If that trope is a villain who can't be pinned down as clearly evil, then this trope is about a (relatively speaking) innocent character who lack of moral understanding thus making their actions seem strange or uncomfortable by common moral standards.
Anti-Hero: Hero trope
Anti-Villain: Villain trope
Edited by nendroid on Aug 16th 2019 at 10:00:42 AM
No-lifer
Aesop Amnesia is more about lessons of a story, not a character who becomes good but keeps going back to evil. So it would fit better under Narrative Tropes.
Limpin' with the bizkit.
Short-Term Projects herald
I personally feel that all the tropes within that long list should be NRLEP except the following:
- The Mole: "Enemy disguising as an ally via infiltration" happens in Real Life, though this trope is about villain-to-hero infiltrations. Maybe if Reverse Mole was merged into The Mole, I'd change my mind, but I'm not so sure about it as written now.
- Threw My Bike on the Roof: An opaquely-named The Same, but More Specific version of Kick the Dog to begin with. I'd rather take it to the Trope Repair Shop for discussion.
No-lifer
oh, and Greed was already on the list. as well as The Hedonist. (They were both in the Flamebait category)
Edited by FridgeGuy2016 on Aug 16th 2019 at 1:25:56 AM
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Crown Description:
Vote up to either forbid all real life examples (No Real Life Examples Please) or forbid real life examples for specific subjects (Limited Real Life Examples Only); vote down to Keep Real Life Examples. To add a trope to a No Real Life Examples Please index or the Limited Real Life Examples Only index, its crowner option must meet the following criteria:- Stable 2:1 ratio needed for NRLEP or LRLEO
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple of extra days to see if more votes come in.
Aren't all villainy tropes also morality tropes? I believe hero tropes are also in that list for the same reason.
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