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Real Life section maintenance (including NRLEP and LRLEO) (New Crowner 9/20/25)

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Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the staff to add the trope via this thread.

This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.

Common problems include:

Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.

If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.

If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.

Before adding to the crowner:

  • The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
  • There must be support from others in thread.
  • Any objections should be addressed.
  • Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.

When adding to the crowner:

  • Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
  • Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
  • An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).

In order for a crowner to pass:

  • Must have been up for a minimum of a week
  • There must be a 2:1 ratio
  • If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
  • Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP or LRLEO index
  • Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page

Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need a crowner vote.

As per Real Life Troping, we never trope unscripted real life sports — so sports tropes where RL examples would only apply to those scenarios don't need a crowner vote.

Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.

After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.

NRLEP tag:

%% Trope was declared Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

LRLEO tag:

%% Trope was declared Administrivia/LimitedRealLifeExamplesOnly via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%The following restrictions apply: [list restriction(s) here]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

Notes:
  • This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
  • Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
  • As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
  • The [[noreallife]] tag no longer works. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. Per word of admin as of 2025, any replacement for this system will not use markup, so these tags can be removed.
  • If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the staff to add the trope via this thread.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 3rd 2025 at 6:31:00 AM

FridgeGuy2016 No-lifer from United States Since: Feb, 2016
No-lifer
#7576: Jul 1st 2019 at 11:39:14 PM

Can i try again for Amusing Injuries or do I have to wait a certain amount of time? I just feel like it needs to be NRLEP because any real life examples would be misuse.

Limpin' with the bizkit.
rjd1922 Best robot boy | he/him | Image Pickin' regular, from the United States Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
Best robot boy | he/him | Image Pickin' regular,
#7577: Jul 2nd 2019 at 3:52:16 PM

[up]I don't think you should immediately repost it after it was voted down; if the page gets bad real-life examples, you can bring it up again.

Keet cleanup
Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
#7578: Jul 2nd 2019 at 5:45:27 PM

The general guideline is that if something is put on the list to keep RL examples after an unsuccessful NRLEP crowner vote, it should only be brought up again for a vote if there has been a cleaning but the problems continue.

(In the past there have been some brought up multiple times, but that was primarily just forgetting to check the "keep" list before nominating a trope that's already been addressed. This whole NRLEP maintenance thing has been going on for over seven years now, so it's easy to forget something has already been addressed.)

Edited by Nohbody on Jul 2nd 2019 at 8:46:53 AM

All your safe space are belong to Trump
rjd1922 Best robot boy | he/him | Image Pickin' regular, from the United States Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
Best robot boy | he/him | Image Pickin' regular,
#7579: Jul 3rd 2019 at 8:27:21 AM

The real life section of Awful Truth is full of general examples.

Keet cleanup
FridgeGuy2016 No-lifer from United States Since: Feb, 2016
No-lifer
#7580: Jul 3rd 2019 at 11:10:32 AM

We should add Depending on the Writer. It doesn't have a Real Life section, but as i said before, it is a characterization trope, and real life doesn't have a writer, aside from certain things like Uncle Sam.

[up] As for Awful Truth, unless we can replace those general examples with specific ones, maybe it should be made NRLEP due to being too common.

Limpin' with the bizkit.
Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
#7581: Jul 4th 2019 at 10:32:18 PM

(Now if we could get a staffer to pay attention to hollering for the new crowner... tongue )

All your safe space are belong to Trump
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#7582: Jul 4th 2019 at 10:43:07 PM

(That's done now)

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
#7583: Jul 5th 2019 at 7:37:17 AM

Regarding Depending on the Writer, while it is a narrative/plot trope it doesn't look like it's a problem at the moment, though the "Other" folder could use a bit of tweaking.

Specifically, I was thinking:

and I have no idea on the Uncle Sam or Disney Parks examples (though isn't there a "Theme Parks" category?).

Edited by Nohbody on Jul 5th 2019 at 3:56:12 PM

All your safe space are belong to Trump
WaterBlap Blapper of Water Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Blapper of Water
#7584: Jul 5th 2019 at 10:06:23 AM

The Uncle Sam example doesn't seem to fit the trope. It's about the audience's interpretation rather than different artists portraying him in different ways.

And we do have a Theme Parks category, for those works in Theme Parks and Ride/.

Edited by WaterBlap on Jul 5th 2019 at 10:07:49 AM

Look at all that shiny stuff ain't they pretty
FridgeGuy2016 No-lifer from United States Since: Feb, 2016
No-lifer
#7585: Jul 5th 2019 at 6:05:55 PM

I mean, it would be a good idea to NRLEP a trope that isn't possible in real life before it gets a RL section full of shoehorned examples.

Also, there currently is an error on the crowner date. It should be 2019, not 2018.

Limpin' with the bizkit.
rjd1922 Best robot boy | he/him | Image Pickin' regular, from the United States Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
Best robot boy | he/him | Image Pickin' regular,
#7586: Jul 5th 2019 at 7:41:42 PM

[up]But immediately suggesting it be made NRLEP after the crowner voted not to would just be repeatedly trying to get what you want contrary to consensus. Just let it go for now.

Edited by rjd1922 on Jul 5th 2019 at 9:42:26 AM

Keet cleanup
Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
#7587: Jul 5th 2019 at 10:12:35 PM

[up] Fridge is talking about Depending on the Writer, not Amusing Injuries.

[up][up] That's not how this thread is supposed to work, though admittedly in the past "supposed to work" and "actually works" has on occasion differed significantly [edit: and I'm not entirely innocent of contributing to it myself].

Listing a trope as NRLEP is supposed to be a "last resort" kind of action, after lesser options (like cleaning out problem entries) have failed.

Edited by Nohbody on Jul 6th 2019 at 11:50:03 AM

All your safe space are belong to Trump
Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
#7588: Jul 6th 2019 at 8:59:49 AM

Made the changes to Depending on the Writer discussed above, with a post on the discussion page describing them in detail.

All your safe space are belong to Trump
WhirlRX Since: Jan, 2015
#7589: Jul 17th 2019 at 5:08:25 PM

From YMMV.Galaxy Quest.

Harsher in Hindsight: Tim Allen saving a group of refugees from a genocidal dictator plays rather differently after his notorious Insane Troll Logic comparison of Republicans in Hollywood to Jews in Nazi Germany.

Not very appropriate.

RallyBot2 (Elder Troper) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
#7590: Jul 17th 2019 at 6:54:27 PM

[up]Easy cut. I took care of it.

Zuxtron Berserk Button: misusing Nightmare Fuel from Node 03 (On A Trope Odyssey)
#7591: Jul 25th 2019 at 7:21:15 PM

This ATT query brings up that Badass Longcoat's real life section has some examples that are in poor taste, such as listing the Columbine shooters and Nazi SS as examples of the trope. Should it even have a real life section, or is there some kind of narrative intent required that makes it only possible in fiction?

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#7592: Jul 25th 2019 at 7:24:38 PM

As I said on ATT, I think the Real Life section is misuse. Badass Tropes are often misused, and they definitely need some narrative context.

Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
Brainulator9 Short-Term Projects herald from US Since: Aug, 2018 Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
Short-Term Projects herald
#7593: Jul 25th 2019 at 7:45:58 PM

I say make Badass Longcoat NRLEP for requiring narrative intent.

Contains 20% less fat than the leading value brand!
CryptidProductions Since: Mar, 2019
#7594: Jul 25th 2019 at 11:55:11 PM

Against.

It should be kept guided by ROCEJ but examples from things like uniforms or historical figures should be allowed.

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#7595: Jul 26th 2019 at 12:09:42 AM

[up] Maybe, if the trope was "cool longcoat", not "longcoats used as clothing for an action hero, used for a dramatic affect similar to capes."

That said, the description doesn't help, I feel much of it can be moved to an Analysis or Useful Notes?

Edited by WarJay77 on Jul 26th 2019 at 3:14:59 PM

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CryptidProductions Since: Mar, 2019
#7596: Jul 26th 2019 at 2:44:22 PM

I'd argue people like old-school Texas Rangers or Soliders from the era trench coats were still parts of combat uniforms are as close to action heroes as real life gets.

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000)
#7597: Jul 26th 2019 at 2:45:32 PM

Close to, not are. Being an Action Hero requires an Action story, a narrative, a purpose.

Working on: Author Appeal | Sandbox | Troper Wall
FridgeGuy2016 No-lifer from United States Since: Feb, 2016
No-lifer
#7598: Jul 26th 2019 at 4:26:15 PM

Badass tropes are often NRLEP, usually because they are either too common in real life, or that they require a specific role that isn't possible IRL. That being said, we should fix RL examples from Badass Longcoat because it seems it could attract gushing.

Limpin' with the bizkit.
Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
#7599: Jul 28th 2019 at 5:24:38 AM

At a glance the RL examples all seem to fall afoul of the issue mentioned above about there being no narrative purpose to the coat. However, I'd say first clean it up and see where it goes, as discussed a while back, saving NRLEP for if it goes in the toilet once again.

(And not relevant to this thread, but I think that trope description is kind of long, going into fine details that don't really matter beyond tropers wanting to show off how smart they are. tongue )

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FridgeGuy2016 No-lifer from United States Since: Feb, 2016
No-lifer
#7600: Aug 2nd 2019 at 11:20:26 PM

And I probably should have brought this up here: I renamed the "Morality Tropes" folder to "Villain and Morality Tropes" since it seems to hold just about all villain tropes on the index.

Limpin' with the bizkit.

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Crown Description:

Vote UP to cut real life examples; vote DOWN to keep.

Anything marked DONE has been resolved.

In order for a crowner to pass:

  • Must have been up for a minimum of a week
  • There must be a 2:1 ratio
  • If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
  • Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP or LRLEO index
  • Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page

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