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Real Life section maintenance (including NRLEP and LRLEO) (New Crowner 9/20/25)

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Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the staff to add the trope via this thread.

This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.

Common problems include:

Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.

If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.

If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.

Before adding to the crowner:

  • The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
  • There must be support from others in thread.
  • Any objections should be addressed.
  • Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.

When adding to the crowner:

  • Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
  • Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
  • An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).

In order for a crowner to pass:

  • Must have been up for a minimum of a week
  • There must be a 2:1 ratio
  • If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
  • Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP or LRLEO index
  • Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page

Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need a crowner vote.

As per Real Life Troping, we never trope unscripted real life sports — so sports tropes where RL examples would only apply to those scenarios don't need a crowner vote.

Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.

After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.

NRLEP tag:

%% Trope was declared Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

LRLEO tag:

%% Trope was declared Administrivia/LimitedRealLifeExamplesOnly via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%The following restrictions apply: [list restriction(s) here]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

Notes:
  • This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
  • Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
  • As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
  • The [[noreallife]] tag no longer works. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. Per word of admin as of 2025, any replacement for this system will not use markup, so these tags can be removed.
  • If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the staff to add the trope via this thread.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 3rd 2025 at 6:31:00 AM

Berrenta Bejeweled (she/her) (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Bejeweled (she/her)
#6726: Jul 3rd 2017 at 7:39:28 PM

Calling Beam Me Up, Scotty! in favor of keeping RL examples.

Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
#6727: Jul 4th 2017 at 12:21:57 PM

Yeah, I think it's pretty safe to say it doesn't qualify for NRLEP... grin

Added ‎28th ‎June ‎2017 11:50:39 AM, 1:13.

[edit] Also, calling it and adding to the keep page is fine, but it helps to strike through the crowner entry afterward, as I did a moment ago. smile

Nothing currently pending.

edited 4th Jul '17 12:24:03 PM by Nohbody

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WaterBlap Blapper of Water Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Blapper of Water
#6728: Jul 4th 2017 at 1:20:29 PM

Adding Mean Character, Nice Actor to the crowner for gossiping, being too common in RL, troping RL persons, and already being In Universe Examples Only.

edited 4th Jul '17 1:23:56 PM by WaterBlap

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PegasusKnightmare Since: Aug, 2016
#6729: Jul 6th 2017 at 12:32:22 PM

While the RL examples are entertaining, Poke the Poodle is a morality trope related to Kick the Dog, which is already NRLEP. Some of them probably also qualify as misuse. The trope is about trying to be evil and failing, so I don't think things like stealing lawn gnomes as a humorous prank or pirates who steal relatively mundane items qualify.

Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#6730: Jul 6th 2017 at 12:58:44 PM

I agree. Most of the Real Life examples on that page fail the "trying to be evil" part of the trope.

MrScout101 Since: Jan, 2015
#6731: Jul 6th 2017 at 8:54:52 PM

Despite the trope already being NRLEP, I nonetheless found a folder for such examples on Top-Heavy Guy. I'm requesting for it to be cut.

Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#6732: Jul 6th 2017 at 9:13:59 PM

Done. Is the [[norealife]] tag not working a new thing?

edited 6th Jul '17 9:14:11 PM by Madrugada

MrScout101 Since: Jan, 2015
#6733: Jul 6th 2017 at 9:55:31 PM

[up] Thanks. Also, how come More Dakka is NRLEP?

edited 6th Jul '17 9:57:21 PM by MrScout101

MrScout101 Since: Jan, 2015
#6734: Jul 6th 2017 at 9:56:20 PM

[up] Sorry, mean to put More Dakka in the above comment. (EDIT: Please ignore and delete this comment, as I found the edit tool to fix the typo.)

edited 6th Jul '17 9:58:13 PM by MrScout101

WaterBlap Blapper of Water Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Blapper of Water
#6735: Jul 6th 2017 at 10:12:02 PM

I don't think the "noreallife" markup has worked for a while now. I think there was an update somewhere explaining it'll eventually start working again with the next couple of updates to the software.

Actually, yes, it's in this post under "Wiki Editing." I don't remember why I read the announcement, but

edited 6th Jul '17 10:13:35 PM by WaterBlap

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Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#6736: Jul 6th 2017 at 10:18:13 PM

It's listed under "Attracts Natter and flamebait."

billybobfred Cosine! from renamed to wingedcatgirl Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#6737: Jul 7th 2017 at 1:36:27 PM

Hey question

if something is tagged No Real Life Examples Please, does that necessarily also imply In Universe Examples Only? I know there's a relationship between these two things but I don't recall anyone spelling it out in plain text.

(In case anyone's wondering, I'm thinking of Oh, Crap! here and how people keep potholing it to mean "I had an Oh, Crap! reaction while experiencing this work".)

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Zyffyr from Portland, Oregon Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#6738: Jul 7th 2017 at 1:52:48 PM

RE: More Dakka - its made it on the list in a somewhat questionable manner, imho. Though having read through what was deleted I would probably vote to keep it gone.

In Feb 2012 there was a TRS cleanup effort : https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1327804766076785100

That was 2 months before the creation of this thread, so NRLEP decisions were done in TRS.

In that thread there was NO discussion at all of making it NRLEP. The person who did the example cleanup (Martello) took it upon himself to nuke the folder.

On 9 Apr 2012, user Lachann restored it. Less than an hour later shimaspawn took it back out, added the No Real Life Examples tag, and added it to the No Real Life page, declaring that it was a TRS decision.

DoctorCooper Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#6739: Jul 7th 2017 at 8:51:51 PM

Not necessarily, for there are some YMMV tropes (and audience reactions) listed here.

edited 7th Jul '17 8:52:09 PM by DoctorCooper

WaterBlap Blapper of Water Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Blapper of Water
#6740: Jul 7th 2017 at 10:08:00 PM

I think Cultural Cringe should be made NRLEP. There's this ridiculously large section about "Cultural Cringe by country." It all seems to just be speculation and plainly off-mission. That's the stuff that seems better suited for Wikipedia.

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#6741: Jul 8th 2017 at 12:22:30 AM

Those sections are at best generic "examples" and should be cut for that reason. "People in general have this opinion" is not an example.

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DoctorCooper Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
WaterBlap Blapper of Water Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Blapper of Water
#6743: Jul 9th 2017 at 3:52:04 PM

Deal with the Devil has two aspects to its trope. The first is impossible in real life, while the other one is calling RL people evil. As it so happens, the RL section has a general examples problem. I think it could at least go on the crowner.

[down] I meant that the first aspect is "literally makes deal with a magical demon creature." But I guess for our purposes the distinction's moot since they're both the trope anyway.

edited 9th Jul '17 10:04:36 PM by WaterBlap

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#6744: Jul 9th 2017 at 6:33:32 PM

I agree with that. Any way you spin it seems to be problematic. It's actually possible in real life, though, since it can be with currupt people. But then, calling people corrupt isn't something we should do either.

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GnomeTitan Oversized Garden Ornament Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Oversized Garden Ornament
#6745: Jul 10th 2017 at 1:48:24 AM

EDITED: Never mind, I was misreading the trope description.

edited 10th Jul '17 3:35:44 AM by GnomeTitan

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#6746: Jul 10th 2017 at 3:09:18 AM

"This trope includes both literal Magically Binding Contracts with a literal devil, and crooked deals between any corrupt exploiter (the Mephistopheles role) and a desperate pawn (the Faust role)."

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GnomeTitan Oversized Garden Ornament Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#6747: Jul 10th 2017 at 3:35:22 AM

Oops, sorry, missed that. I stand corrected.

DoctorCooper Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#6748: Jul 10th 2017 at 11:15:00 AM

I call RealLife.Mean Character Nice Actor (8, 6).

edited 10th Jul '17 11:17:14 AM by DoctorCooper

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#6749: Jul 10th 2017 at 11:46:08 AM

Does that mean we should then cut all examples that don't fit the description? Mainly:

"Many performers will actively cultivate a Jerkass persona, feeling this makes them more marketable."

"This page is not for listing actors just because they've played both villains and nice guys."

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PegasusKnightmare Since: Aug, 2016
#6750: Jul 10th 2017 at 3:04:56 PM

I Did What I Had to Do has a pretty lengthy RL section. I'm surprised this one isn't already NRLEP due to it being a morality trope and inviting ROCEJ violations.

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Crown Description:

Vote UP to cut real life examples; vote DOWN to keep.

Anything marked DONE has been resolved.

In order for a crowner to pass:

  • Must have been up for a minimum of a week
  • There must be a 2:1 ratio
  • If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
  • Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP or LRLEO index
  • Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page

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