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Real Life section maintenance (including NRLEP and LRLEO) (New Crowner 9/20/25)

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Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the staff to add the trope via this thread.

This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.

Common problems include:

Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.

If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.

If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.

Before adding to the crowner:

  • The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
  • There must be support from others in thread.
  • Any objections should be addressed.
  • Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.

When adding to the crowner:

  • Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
  • Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
  • An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).

In order for a crowner to pass:

  • Must have been up for a minimum of a week
  • There must be a 2:1 ratio
  • If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
  • Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP or LRLEO index
  • Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page

Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need a crowner vote.

As per Real Life Troping, we never trope unscripted real life sports — so sports tropes where RL examples would only apply to those scenarios don't need a crowner vote.

Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.

After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.

NRLEP tag:

%% Trope was declared Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

LRLEO tag:

%% Trope was declared Administrivia/LimitedRealLifeExamplesOnly via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%The following restrictions apply: [list restriction(s) here]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

Notes:
  • This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
  • Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
  • As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
  • The [[noreallife]] tag no longer works. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. Per word of admin as of 2025, any replacement for this system will not use markup, so these tags can be removed.
  • If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the staff to add the trope via this thread.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 3rd 2025 at 6:31:00 AM

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#6501: Apr 28th 2017 at 12:03:32 AM

Was the trope cleaned from troblesome entries when it was brought up last time?

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MitchellProductions Since: Jul, 2016
#6502: Apr 28th 2017 at 6:18:21 AM

No. I checked the page history for it, ranging after July 19, 2012.

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MitchellProductions Since: Jul, 2016
#6503: Apr 28th 2017 at 7:18:02 AM

I have some more suggestions: Fingerless Hands (artist-controlled trope, eliminating its real-life possibilities), Toxic Friend Influence (morality trope), Too Hungry to Be Polite (stereotyping), Wide-Eyed Idealist / Grumpy Bear (narratives and characterization).

All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, but all play and no work makes Jack a mere boy
Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#6504: Apr 28th 2017 at 7:34:57 AM

@Mitchell Productions, only one of those pages (Fingerless Hands) even has a Real Life section and that section has only one entry and that's not a problem. We really don't like pre-emptively adding pages to the NRLEP list, or adding it just because.

MitchellProductions Since: Jul, 2016
#6505: Apr 28th 2017 at 7:43:53 AM

I saw that example, and thought that it was a shoehorn. I mean "artist-controlled" as in Super-Deformed, Deranged Animation, and other tropes that were NRLEP for this reason.

All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, but all play and no work makes Jack a mere boy
WaterBlap Blapper of Water Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Blapper of Water
#6506: Apr 28th 2017 at 7:55:20 AM

Super-Deformed and Deranged Animation are both impossible in RL no matter how you color it. It isn't that they are "artist controlled" as much as they are literally impossible. The example in Fingerless Hands indicates that the trope is not literally impossible in RL (thanks to science), just not naturally possible for humans.

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Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#6507: Apr 28th 2017 at 7:57:40 AM

This is for pages that have Real Life sections that are a problem. One example, that may or may not be a shoehorn (because that device looks pretty much just like an animated mitten-hand, and if it's incorporated into medical prosthetics, will give people "Fingerless Hands") is not a problem.

We don't change pages just to change them.

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#6508: Apr 28th 2017 at 8:19:26 AM

That particular example is a specific example that's interesting and relevant to the trope. And it's an artificially created construct, so there has been some artistry involved in its making. It's a good case for why I would vote to keep Real Life examples if that was put in the crowner.

You can try to clean Witch Hunt if you want. I'm usually not that good when it comes to politically sensitive examples.

edited 28th Apr '17 8:22:00 AM by AnotherDuck

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Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#6509: Apr 28th 2017 at 8:50:34 AM

[up]I hedge-trimmered Witch Hunt. It might need a bit more trimming.

MitchellProductions Since: Jul, 2016
#6510: Apr 28th 2017 at 10:53:34 AM

With enough trimming, these tropes may not need a run through the crowner unless the trimmed-out violations are persistent. I only remember Asbestos-Free Cereal having that effect, while it was on the crowner for "complaining and natter".

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#6511: Apr 28th 2017 at 12:17:53 PM

[up][up]Looks a lot better. [tup]

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MitchellProductions Since: Jul, 2016
#6512: Apr 28th 2017 at 6:15:31 PM

Smiting Evil Feels Good is a component to the NRLEP Pay Evil unto Evil, which are both about calling people heroes. Should it have a run through the crowner?

All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, but all play and no work makes Jack a mere boy
Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#6513: Apr 28th 2017 at 7:41:36 PM

It isn't necessary. There was only one example, a generic one, so I deleted that which left the folder empty, so I deleted that as well.

We only need to add the tag to pages that have problems that cleaning doesn't solve.

MitchellProductions Since: Jul, 2016
#6514: Apr 28th 2017 at 7:48:33 PM

What are some types of tropes do you think should be promptly run through the crowner?

edited 28th Apr '17 7:48:47 PM by MitchellProductions

All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, but all play and no work makes Jack a mere boy
Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#6515: Apr 28th 2017 at 8:26:03 PM

Not ''Types". Individual tropes, which have a Real Life section that is problematic. We are not trying to see how many pages we can put this tag on. This project has been going on for 5 years and 51 crowners ( that's 500+ tropes voted on at a minimum, assuming 10 items per crowner.) We've probably got most of them by now, especially since the tag is now added to newly made tropes that fall into a category that has already been tagged.

edited 28th Apr '17 8:28:48 PM by Madrugada

MitchellProductions Since: Jul, 2016
#6516: Apr 30th 2017 at 7:14:15 AM

I have an idea: Innocent Bigot, for being a bigotry trope, which several of them were banned from having real life examples, such as Boomerang and Tragic Bigot, Some of My Best Friends Are X, etc..

edited 30th Apr '17 7:14:28 AM by MitchellProductions

All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, but all play and no work makes Jack a mere boy
WaterBlap Blapper of Water Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Blapper of Water
#6517: Apr 30th 2017 at 12:34:58 PM

There is no RL folder on Innocent Bigot. Has Innocent Bigot been used on works pages, creator pages, or trope pages in such a way as to necessitate it being brought up to this thread? Serious question.

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#6518: Apr 30th 2017 at 3:32:33 PM

No reason to vote to remove something that doesn't exist.

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MitchellProductions Since: Jul, 2016
#6519: Apr 30th 2017 at 6:27:41 PM

When I saw other tropes like these on the crowners, their reasons simply said "calling people bigots", which these tropes in question may or may not have had real life sections.

All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, but all play and no work makes Jack a mere boy
MitchellProductions Since: Jul, 2016
#6520: May 1st 2017 at 5:37:46 AM

Even though Made Out to Be a Jerkass only has a few real life examples, it still is a political tinderbox, especially by the first and third examples. Should it go through the crowner again, or will it go horribly wrong like last time?

edited 1st May '17 5:54:06 AM by MitchellProductions

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Erin582 Everything is Everything from I live among the creatures of the night Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Everything is Everything
#6521: May 1st 2017 at 6:05:20 AM

I want to suggest Formerly Fit. As its been mentioned plenty of times before, this isn't a gossip column/tabloid and even if it were, fat-shaming isn't cool. Plus, many of the RL examples on the page are of older celebrities which I find to be pretty unfair, as factors like age and illness are common.

Are you adding to the discussion on this site, or just taking away from someone else's contributions?
WaterBlap Blapper of Water Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Blapper of Water
#6522: May 1st 2017 at 6:15:20 AM

Formerly Fit does have general examples (which I believe indicates that it's "too common"). It also is just logically very common.

Alongside that, Formerly Fat seems to have a ZCE problem, and it is likewise very common.

edited 1st May '17 8:39:45 AM by WaterBlap

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MitchellProductions Since: Jul, 2016
#6523: May 1st 2017 at 6:22:43 AM

Should we add these two to the crowner?

edited 1st May '17 6:23:01 AM by MitchellProductions

All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, but all play and no work makes Jack a mere boy
MitchellProductions Since: Jul, 2016
#6524: May 1st 2017 at 6:44:11 PM

[Deleted.]

edited 2nd May '17 9:02:45 AM by MitchellProductions

All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, but all play and no work makes Jack a mere boy
AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#6525: May 2nd 2017 at 12:11:59 PM

Cleaned out the non-examples from Made Out to Be a Jerkass. Turns out all of them were generic "examples", so the whole folder got axed.

If someone calls something a political tinderbox without showing any flames, I'm calling nothing to see there.

Formerly Fit is gossip, and what's there is gossip and generic "examples". There's not much there, but I also think it's plainly pointless to note it for real people, considering how common it is with age and illness. Wouldn't object to adding that to the crowner.

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Crown Description:

Vote UP to cut real life examples; vote DOWN to keep.

Anything marked DONE has been resolved.

In order for a crowner to pass:

  • Must have been up for a minimum of a week
  • There must be a 2:1 ratio
  • If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
  • Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP or LRLEO index
  • Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page

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