Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
- Squicky content
- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
Before adding to the crowner:
- The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
- There must be support from others in thread.
- Any objections should be addressed.
- Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.
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- Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
In order for a crowner to pass:
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- There must be a 2:1 ratio
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
- Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP index
- Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page
Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need crowner vote.
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NRLEP tag:
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Notes:
- This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
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It doesn't require scripting, but still, it's a very similar trope to Wham Episode, and discussed in very similar ways.
Straight Gay also seems to attract comments, like X Gay person played football, or has bad fashion. In real life that is without meaning. Are there any examples there worth saving?
In uffish thought
In real life, it's a trope that can be invoked, lampshaded, subverted, defied, exaggerated, etc.; it does have meaning some of the time. However, it also can just be the way someone is with no intent on their part (ditto for Camp Gay); in those cases, it isn't a trope and has no meaning. How I would trim the example section based on no information other than what's in the bullets:
- Leslie Cheung: Cut
- Freddie Mercury: Cut
- Chuck Palahniuk: Cut
- William S Burroughs: Keep
- Rick Mercer: Cut
- Rob Halford: Cut
- Benjamin Britten: Keep
- Ronnie Kray: Cut?
- Cam Clarke: Keep???
- Bob Mould: Cut
- Neil Patrick Harris: Cut
- George Michael: Keep
- Ian Mc Kellen: Cut
- Long John Baldry: Cut
- Matthew Bomer: Keep?
- Robert Gant: Cut?
- Alan Turing: Keep
- Stephen Fry: Cut
- George Takei: Keep
- Roddy Bottum: Cut
- John Glover: Cut
- Dave Chappelle: Cut
- Adam Lambert: Keep
- Will Young: Cut
- Neil Tennant: Cut
- Lee Daniels: Cut
- Ricky Martin: Cut?
- Walt Whitman: Cut
- James Randi: Cut
- Richard Chamberlain: Keep
- [German politicians]: Cut
- Clive Barker: Cut
- Bryan Fuller: Cut
- James Robert Baker: Cut???
- Dan "Bulldog" Butler: Cut
- Roland Emmerich: Cut
- Rock Hudson: Cut
- Michael Stipe: Cut
- David Yost: Keep?
- [More government officials]: Cut
- John Barrowman: Keep
- Paul Zaloom Cut
- Steve Hughes: Should be in a media folder.
- Elton John: Keep
- George Michael: Cut
- Dave Holmes: Cut
- Robert Reed: Cut?
- Cesar Romero: Cut
- Jonathan "Jon" Knight: Cut
- Russel Tovey: Cut
- Lance Bass: Cut
- Reichen Lehmkuhl: Cut
- Chip Arndt: Cut
- Ted Allen: Keep?
- Derren Brown: Keep???
- Jonathan Groff: Cut
- Zachary Quinto: Cut
- Dan Kloeffler: Cut
- Frank Kameny: Keep?
- Alan Bennett: Cut
- Alan Bates: Keep
- Paul Staffelbach: Keep
- Dirk Bogarde: Keep?
- Dan Savage: Cut
- Harvey Levin: Cut
- Dave Rubin: Keep?
- Anthony Perkins: Keep
- Todd Glass: Cut
- Allan Bloom: Keep???
- Gorden Kaye: Cut
- Douglas P.: Keep
- Glenn Greenwald: Cut
- Anderson Cooper: Cut
- Sally Ride: Cut
That still leaves some good examples. (I also underestimated the list size!)
That was the amazing part. Things just keep going.
Obviously Evil, Wham Episode, and White-Haired Pretty Girl look ready to call.
The crowner requirements are unclear to me, so I don't know if Big Good is also ready. Do they need 10+ votes total, or a 10+ positive margin?
edited 7th Aug '12 10:40:17 AM by ArcadesSabboth
Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
Also, why does Elemental Powers have a Real Life section? Isn't this a fantasy superpowers trope? The description... I don't know.
Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
I'm thinking about the possibility of cleaning up Straight Gay. However ATM the consensus seems to be towards the chainsaw. Hmm.
"In distress", my ass.
Arcade, the cut criteria is ten votes total (plus and minus combined), and a margin of 2:1 or better yes:no. Tweaked the crowner description with the "total" bit.
All your safe space are belong to Trump
Then everything down to and including Straight Gay is ready to call now, I think.
EDIT: Yes, 2 minutes past. I wish I could make T Vtropes display in my timezone.
edited 7th Aug '12 5:37:50 PM by ArcadesSabboth
Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
Can we get a consensus on where No Real Life Examples Please tags go on a page? On the page or in the source? Because it's leading to problems
edited 25th Aug '12 2:38:38 PM by SeptimusHeap
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Lost in Space
I don't know why Eddie insists on taking these notes off. Bah, we'll ask him.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
I think it's because they are only for editors (ignoring the off-page wicks issue) and we are only 1% of the readership, which doesn't care about our rules.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
TV Tropes' Sonic Wiki Curator
In that case, wouldn't it have been easier to just comment it out so that only the editors would see it?
I don't know. All I know is that FE has a habit of applying the most radical solutions to any problems.
All my worry here is that the lack of a visible tag would allow wicking from other pages.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
I really wonder how likely it is that our casual editors are going to notice notes that are invisible until you hit the "edit" button. Most people don't carefully review every line in the source code before adding something to a page. They just scroll as quick as they can to the section they want to edit.
The published page is for readers. The source is for editors. 99% of people who use the wiki are readers. I'll try to get to the multiple-message natterfy button.
Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
So is it OK to put the NRLEP notes in editor-only comments?
Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
Hurler of Swine
Four Eyes, Zero Soul has a Real Life section. I don't think this is appropriate because 1) it falls under the "calling real people evil" clause for No Real Life Examples Please qualification, and 2) because Real Life does not in fact have an author, it is by definition putting the cart before the horse.
The trope is about an author using a character's glasses as an alignment-related visual cue (i.e., the trope is about characters whose design includes glasses because they're evil, not Nazis and serial killers who happened to need glasses), so it having a Real Life example section implies that people with glasses in real life are more likely to be evil than people without glasses, which is obviously not true.
Mods, can we please have some clarity on whether we're allowed to have anything to mark that they should have no real life examples? It's hard to do this consistently or even call those that need calling if nobody knows what to do with them.
Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
A tag of [[noreallife]] anywhere in a page's source will now put a big message on the editing screen saying "No Real Life Examples, Please."
edited 9th Aug '12 6:18:03 PM by FastEddie
Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
Okay, thanks for that!
I see the Awesomeness.
Thanks Eddie.
Fight smart, not fair.
It works! Thank you.
Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
Calling Obviously Evil and Evil Albino.
edited 9th Aug '12 9:54:48 PM by videogmer314
Crown Description:
Vote up to either forbid all real life examples (No Real Life Examples Please) or forbid real life examples for specific subjects (Limited Real Life Examples Only); vote down to Keep Real Life Examples. To add a trope to a No Real Life Examples Please index or the Limited Real Life Examples Only index, its crowner option must meet the following criteria:- Stable 2:1 ratio needed for NRLEP or LRLEO
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple of extra days to see if more votes come in.
I didn't know that Mood Whiplash required scripting.
Straight Gay has misuse, but its section shouldn't be cut; it's possible (as a trope, not just a thing) in real life and isn't insulting or otherwise problematic.
That was the amazing part. Things just keep going.