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Real Life section maintenance (including NRLEP and LRLEO) (New Crowner 9/20/25)

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Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the staff to add the trope via this thread.

This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.

Common problems include:

Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.

If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.

If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.

Before adding to the crowner:

  • The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
  • There must be support from others in thread.
  • Any objections should be addressed.
  • Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.

When adding to the crowner:

  • Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
  • Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
  • An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).

In order for a crowner to pass:

  • Must have been up for a minimum of a week
  • There must be a 2:1 ratio
  • If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
  • Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP or LRLEO index
  • Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page

Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need a crowner vote.

As per Real Life Troping, we never trope unscripted real life sports — so sports tropes where RL examples would only apply to those scenarios don't need a crowner vote.

Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.

After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.

NRLEP tag:

%% Trope was declared Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

LRLEO tag:

%% Trope was declared Administrivia/LimitedRealLifeExamplesOnly via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%The following restrictions apply: [list restriction(s) here]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

Notes:
  • This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
  • Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
  • As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
  • The [[noreallife]] tag no longer works. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. Per word of admin as of 2025, any replacement for this system will not use markup, so these tags can be removed.
  • If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the staff to add the trope via this thread.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 3rd 2025 at 6:31:00 AM

DoctorCooper Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#5026: Nov 3rd 2015 at 6:18:20 PM

Crushing the populace is applicable to real life, but it is a delicate topic.

Candi Sorcerer in training from Closer to rimward than hubward Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Sorcerer in training
#5027: Nov 5th 2015 at 9:13:55 PM

RealLife.Mean Character Nice Actor was reported in ATT for massive messy problems. It needs some serious cleanup. I don't currently see it as a NRLEP candidate, but opinions may differ. tongue

Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#5028: Nov 5th 2015 at 11:35:20 PM

I say it should be NRLEP because it's a gush magnet and still technically judging people.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#5029: Nov 5th 2015 at 11:55:14 PM

I don't think that makes it a good cut candidate. I am somewhat concerned about this thread approving cuts in a way too routine and rubber stamp fashion, there.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#5030: Nov 6th 2015 at 7:43:44 AM

[up] Seconded. And keep MCNA Real Life (especially if it's its own page).

Candi Sorcerer in training from Closer to rimward than hubward Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Sorcerer in training
#5031: Nov 6th 2015 at 9:21:37 PM

Scrubbing it sounds good for now.

Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
DoctorCooper Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#5032: Nov 10th 2015 at 8:25:02 PM

Face of an Angel, Mind of a Demon has the [noreallife] tag.I won't add it to the crowner, because it is overdosed.

Morgenthaler Since: Feb, 2016
#5033: Nov 11th 2015 at 2:18:38 AM

Apparently we have TakeThat.Real Life and TakeThat.Other, which document real occasions of people insulting other people. I can't find anything worthwile on these pages, excepting some specific medium categories on the latter page (Theatre, Tabletop Games, etc.).

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DoctorCooper Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#5034: Nov 11th 2015 at 8:01:33 AM

For me, that requires more of a cleanup.

YasminPerry Since: May, 2015
#5035: Nov 11th 2015 at 8:04:54 AM

Is it just me, or is the recent trend in Real Life examples is to slowly chip away at them until there's nothing left?

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#5036: Nov 11th 2015 at 8:09:59 AM

This thread is mainly for real life examples that prove too problematic to keep around, for various reasons we have outlines on the No Real Life Examples Please page.

Ripsaw These are the voyages... from The Belt Since: Jan, 2001
These are the voyages...
#5037: Nov 11th 2015 at 8:11:56 AM

[up][up]IMHO, since we're a wiki about Tropes used in media, Real Life bits might be useful color or commentary to help folks understand the trope better, but they're not essential by any stretch.

Be careful what you wish for, 'cause you might just get it all...
Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#5038: Nov 11th 2015 at 10:05:43 AM

[up]x3 Fighteer said it best: Real Life examples are tolerated. If they become an issue they get removed.

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#5039: Nov 11th 2015 at 10:56:27 AM

[up][up][up][up]It's probably not just you; there are probably others who're similarly mistaken.

It's basically a slippery slope perception. It's also ignoring that there are plenty of tropes which are voted to keep Real Life examples, and plenty that simply aren't a problem, so they're never brought up in the first place.

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Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#5040: Nov 11th 2015 at 10:58:42 AM

Japanese Christian was brought up in Ask The Tropers as a potential issue.

edited 11th Nov '15 10:58:54 AM by Karxrida

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#5041: Nov 11th 2015 at 11:09:27 AM

I feel that it's gossip when applied to real people, plus you occasionally get some nut deleting examples over theological conflicts.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#5042: Nov 11th 2015 at 11:14:00 AM

Making it a useful note would probably be for the best, since it can serve as interesting trivia.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#5043: Nov 11th 2015 at 11:24:10 AM

It's a trope, a trivia item, or a useful note. It can't be all three at once.

A useful note would mean that it describes the phenomenon of Japanese Christianity so that creators can depict it accurately and readers can spot bad depictions.

A trope would mean that it is relevant in some way to the story, setting, medium, presentation, or characterization within or of a work.

A trivia item would mean that we simply note the cases of it occurring, both in-universe and out.

edited 11th Nov '15 11:24:53 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#5044: Nov 11th 2015 at 11:26:01 AM

I didn't mean make it a Trivia Trope, I just used some words I thought would convey my meaning better.

DoctorCooper Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
hamza678 Red Like Santa from Christmas Beacon. Since: Apr, 2013
Red Like Santa
#5047: Nov 13th 2015 at 6:17:14 PM

I wonder if we can make a guide for writing real life examples, and when to make it no real life examples...

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Candi Sorcerer in training from Closer to rimward than hubward Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Sorcerer in training
#5048: Nov 13th 2015 at 8:20:57 PM

There's already rules for real-life examples, the same as for any example, plus a couple.

How To Write An Example covers most of it. No general examples, must be completely written out, no Sinkholes, and so on.

There's no gossiping about, bashing, or troping real life people.

Real Life examples get cut when they're trouble. Some people launch their YKTTW default NRLEP because it could be trouble. Sex and Rape tropes are default NRLEP because RL examples are almost always trouble. They're tangential to the wiki's mission of documenting tropes in fiction, so they're allowed on sufferance, but not considered necessary.

Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
DoctorCooper Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#5049: Nov 14th 2015 at 5:47:11 PM

Pretty much any real life example would be troping of real life people. tongue

TheUnsquished Filthy Casual from A youngun between two oldies Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Filthy Casual
#5050: Nov 15th 2015 at 7:18:27 AM

Should Apathetic Citizens have a Real Life section?

(Annoyed grunt)

Projects: Long Term/Perpetual: Real Life Section Maintenance
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Crown Description:

Vote UP to cut real life examples; vote DOWN to keep.

Anything marked DONE has been resolved.

In order for a crowner to pass:

  • Must have been up for a minimum of a week
  • There must be a 2:1 ratio
  • If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
  • Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP or LRLEO index
  • Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page

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