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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 3rd 2025 at 6:31:00 AM
Toys and cars are consumer products and have associated memes, advertising... you can make a case that they qualify as "media" for purposes of being tropable. Plus, you aren't going to start a flame war. A natter war, however...
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Yes, definitely. Killing them and cleaning natter will make it a lot clearer what we have to deal with.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Okay, it's been done. I left anything that has some element of derision, Old Shame, parody, etc., which wasn't much.
Looks much better. Good job!
Of what's left, I think PETA and KKK should be removed.
Check out my fanfiction!PETA is still very much in existence, so it can't qualify for the trope; the KKK is as well although that one kind of falls astray of the ROCEJ.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"What the Hell, Hero?, The Dreaded, and Freudian Excuse all have real life subpages. Freudian Excuse and What the Hell, Hero? could be a little Flame Bait-y (and are rather nattery) and The Dreaded is a villain trope. Should we add them?
Darth Wiki's WorseThanItsounds.Real Life was brought up in ATT. Among stated problems were (attempted) stealth insults. I believe it falls under gossiping about real people at the least.
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry PratchettWhat the Hell, Hero? says In-Universe Examples Only on the main page, and WhatTheHellHero.Real Life is neither linked nor indexed. Cutlist?
I don't think anything on Darth Wiki should allow real life examples. There might be exceptions, but Worse Than Itsounds isn't one of them.
Freudian Excuse is more about criminals than villains. However, there's still a fair painting of evil and natter on the page, so I wouldn't say it's being handled well.
The Dreaded isn't necessarily about morality as much as fear. It has multiple examples that would likely be considered heroic if they were fictional, so I don't buy the "morality trope" explanation. I'm a bit doubtful about the sports examples, though.
Check out my fanfiction!Reality Warper is about altering reality around you with a thought. No possible in real life.
Psycho Psychologist is another evil-profession trope. It's seems pretty seeped in morality judging.
Added both to the cronwer because I think the cases are rather open and shut.
Catching up...
Calling:
- Freudian Excuse: Added 11th Jul '15 at 10:38:53 AM, 2.75:1 (15)
- Those Two Bad Guys: Added 8th Jul '15 at 08:00:59 AM, 15:1 (16)
- Worse Than It Sounds: Added 11th Jul '15 at 10:38:53 AM, 6.5:1 (15)
Deader Than Disco: I'm putting this seperate from the called list because I'm not sure what the desired response is. Just nuke the RL page entirely, save a small amount of examples, or what?
What the Hell, Hero?: If it's already In Universe Examples Only, which I missed first time around, did it really need to go through the crowner anyway? It easily clears the requirements for being made NRLEP, but that seems a bit redundant in this case. Or should I just roll with it for the cutlist request explanation, since WhatTheHellHero.Real Life isn't actually connected anywhere?
edited 14th Jul '15 3:38:10 PM by Nohbody
All your safe space are belong to TrumpAlso, no more entries for this crowner, please. Save them for the next one once the active issues for this crowner have all been addressed.
All your safe space are belong to TrumpThe Dreaded is a Villain trope. I'm upvoting it, but if we end up voting to keep RL examples, then it doesn't belong on the Villains index.
If it's a villain trope it's heavily misused, because there are a lot of heroes in there.
Honestly, if you're just upvoting it because it's on the Villains index, you should probably actually read the tropes before voting, rather than voting on first impressions.
Villains is an index, not a supertrope. It means examples on tropes on that index can fall outside the scope of being villains.
edited 14th Jul '15 4:49:51 PM by AnotherDuck
Check out my fanfiction!That is not correct—the vast majority of indices are in fact tropes, and if you don't think "Villain" is a trope, then how do you explain The Protagonist? Take a second look at the indices Villains is on: Narrative Tropes. Morality Tropes. Evil Tropes.
"Villain" is very much a trope.
Several times I have argued, and been corrected, that a Sub-Trope may not be wholly encompassed by its Super-Trope, but short of Playing With Tropes in ways that render the distinction irrelevant, the fact is that they do. They must. A Sub-Trope is not a Sub-Trope unless it is an example of its Super-Trope.
By extension, any trope must be an example of all the Super Tropes that index it, and all the Super Tropes that index them, and so on.
Point: If Villains is not an Evil Trope or Morality Trope, then it doesn't belong on those indices.
Point: If The Dreaded is not an Evil Trope or a Morality Trope, then it doesn't belong on Villains. Likewise, if The Dreaded is not a Villain, then it doesn't belong on Villains.
I'm not arguing that it is an Evil or Morality or Villain trope. But if it's not, then it needs to be removed from those indices.
edited 14th Jul '15 5:16:31 PM by SolipSchism
It's a trope, yes, but just because a trope is on the Villains index doesn't mean that it is exclusively a villain trope.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"What I mean is that Villains is a trope. And since it's a trope, logically, it's also a Super-Trope to all those tropes it lists.
And since it is a Super-Trope to all those tropes it lists, then by the same logic that's been shown to me time and time again, all of those sub-tropes ought to be wholly encompassed as villains, otherwise the index is pointless.
If we really want to have an index of character tropes that "lend themselves" to villains or something like that, then the index should not be called "Villains", which is a clear, cut-and-dry name that plainly says "These tropes are all types of Villains."
Yes, a subtrope is always an example of the supertrope. A subtrope is a specific variant of the supertrope.
However, an index is not a supertrope to the tropes on the index. It doesn't preclude it from being a supertrope to a trope on the index, but it's not one by definition.
When I said Villains is an index and not a supertrope, I meant that that's what the page is. Villain as such is a trope (often mixed up with The Antagonist). However, the list of tropes on Villains are not subtropes to the trope Villain. They're tropes that fit on the index Villains. An Alpha Bitch or a Team Killer is not necessarily a villain, but can often be one. If they were subtropes, all examples on those tropes would be villains, which just isn't the case. Just as with The Dreaded. Many examples are villains, but not all.
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So an example of a toy is okay, but not about a car, because the latter is placed on the Real Life page and the former on the Toys page? I don't see how a toy is any more or less real life than a car.
The issue isn't what type of real life example to allow. It's about what type of example counts as real life, since they're all about real life people's reactions about stuff that exists to them.
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