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Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the staff to add the trope via this thread.

This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.

Common problems include:

Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.

If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.

If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.

Before adding to the crowner:

  • The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
  • There must be support from others in thread.
  • Any objections should be addressed.
  • Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.

When adding to the crowner:

  • Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
  • Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
  • An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).

In order for a crowner to pass:

  • Must have been up for a minimum of a week
  • There must be a 2:1 ratio
  • If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
  • Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP or LRLEO index
  • Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page

Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need a crowner vote.

As per Real Life Troping, we never trope unscripted real life sports — so sports tropes where RL examples would only apply to those scenarios don't need a crowner vote.

Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.

After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.

NRLEP tag:

%% Trope was declared Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

LRLEO tag:

%% Trope was declared Administrivia/LimitedRealLifeExamplesOnly via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%The following restrictions apply: [list restriction(s) here]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

Notes:
  • This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
  • Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
  • As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
  • The [[noreallife]] tag no longer works. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. Per word of admin as of 2025, any replacement for this system will not use markup, so these tags can be removed.
  • If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the staff to add the trope via this thread.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 3rd 2025 at 6:31:00 AM

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#4651: Jul 10th 2015 at 5:48:14 AM

So an example of a toy is okay, but not about a car, because the latter is placed on the Real Life page and the former on the Toys page? I don't see how a toy is any more or less real life than a car.

The issue isn't what type of real life example to allow. It's about what type of example counts as real life, since they're all about real life people's reactions about stuff that exists to them.

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#4652: Jul 10th 2015 at 6:22:04 AM

Toys and cars are consumer products and have associated memes, advertising... you can make a case that they qualify as "media" for purposes of being tropable. Plus, you aren't going to start a flame war. A natter war, however...

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phoenix Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#4653: Jul 10th 2015 at 9:50:05 AM

Would it be okay to go ahead and nuke all the nonexamples and see what that leaves us with? They seem to be some of the most overly long and natterific anyway.

SolipSchism Since: Jun, 2014
#4654: Jul 10th 2015 at 9:50:37 AM

I don't see why it wouldn't be okay to nuke nonexamples, honestly.

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#4655: Jul 10th 2015 at 9:52:17 AM

Yes, definitely. Killing them and cleaning natter will make it a lot clearer what we have to deal with.

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phoenix Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#4656: Jul 10th 2015 at 11:14:06 AM

Okay, it's been done. I left anything that has some element of derision, Old Shame, parody, etc., which wasn't much.

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#4657: Jul 10th 2015 at 11:34:46 AM

Looks much better. Good job!

Of what's left, I think PETA and KKK should be removed.

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#4658: Jul 10th 2015 at 11:49:21 AM

PETA is still very much in existence, so it can't qualify for the trope; the KKK is as well although that one kind of falls astray of the ROCEJ.

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phoenix Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#4659: Jul 10th 2015 at 12:22:15 PM

I agree on both PETA and the KKK, but previously left them for fear of cutting too much. I've cut them now, however, since others seem to agree.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#4660: Jul 11th 2015 at 2:16:35 AM

[up][up]Do we really WANT someone who would argue for the KKK though?

phoenix Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#4661: Jul 11th 2015 at 9:30:00 AM

What the Hell, Hero?, The Dreaded, and Freudian Excuse all have real life subpages. Freudian Excuse and What the Hell, Hero? could be a little Flame Bait-y (and are rather nattery) and The Dreaded is a villain trope. Should we add them?

Candi Sorcerer in training from Closer to rimward than hubward Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
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#4662: Jul 11th 2015 at 9:39:00 AM

Darth Wiki's WorseThanItsounds.Real Life was brought up in ATT. Among stated problems were (attempted) stealth insults. I believe it falls under gossiping about real people at the least.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#4663: Jul 11th 2015 at 10:40:46 AM

Added all four of them to the crowner.

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#4664: Jul 11th 2015 at 12:48:09 PM

What the Hell, Hero? says In-Universe Examples Only on the main page, and WhatTheHellHero.Real Life is neither linked nor indexed. Cutlist?

I don't think anything on Darth Wiki should allow real life examples. There might be exceptions, but Worse Than Itsounds isn't one of them.

Freudian Excuse is more about criminals than villains. However, there's still a fair painting of evil and natter on the page, so I wouldn't say it's being handled well.

The Dreaded isn't necessarily about morality as much as fear. It has multiple examples that would likely be considered heroic if they were fictional, so I don't buy the "morality trope" explanation. I'm a bit doubtful about the sports examples, though.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#4665: Jul 14th 2015 at 12:16:49 PM

Reality Warper is about altering reality around you with a thought. No possible in real life.

Psycho Psychologist is another evil-profession trope. It's seems pretty seeped in morality judging.

Added both to the cronwer because I think the cases are rather open and shut.

Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
#4666: Jul 14th 2015 at 3:34:43 PM

Catching up...

Calling:

Deader Than Disco: I'm putting this seperate from the called list because I'm not sure what the desired response is. Just nuke the RL page entirely, save a small amount of examples, or what?

What the Hell, Hero?: If it's already In Universe Examples Only, which I missed first time around, did it really need to go through the crowner anyway? It easily clears the requirements for being made NRLEP, but that seems a bit redundant in this case. Or should I just roll with it for the cutlist request explanation, since WhatTheHellHero.Real Life isn't actually connected anywhere?

edited 14th Jul '15 3:38:10 PM by Nohbody

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Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
#4667: Jul 14th 2015 at 3:44:16 PM

Also, no more entries for this crowner, please. Save them for the next one once the active issues for this crowner have all been addressed.

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SolipSchism Since: Jun, 2014
#4668: Jul 14th 2015 at 3:44:57 PM

The Dreaded is a Villain trope. I'm upvoting it, but if we end up voting to keep RL examples, then it doesn't belong on the Villains index.

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#4669: Jul 14th 2015 at 4:46:28 PM

If it's a villain trope it's heavily misused, because there are a lot of heroes in there.

Honestly, if you're just upvoting it because it's on the Villains index, you should probably actually read the tropes before voting, rather than voting on first impressions.

Villains is an index, not a supertrope. It means examples on tropes on that index can fall outside the scope of being villains.

edited 14th Jul '15 4:49:51 PM by AnotherDuck

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SolipSchism Since: Jun, 2014
#4670: Jul 14th 2015 at 5:16:00 PM

That is not correct—the vast majority of indices are in fact tropes, and if you don't think "Villain" is a trope, then how do you explain The Protagonist? Take a second look at the indices Villains is on: Narrative Tropes. Morality Tropes. Evil Tropes.

"Villain" is very much a trope.

Several times I have argued, and been corrected, that a Sub-Trope may not be wholly encompassed by its Super-Trope, but short of Playing With Tropes in ways that render the distinction irrelevant, the fact is that they do. They must. A Sub-Trope is not a Sub-Trope unless it is an example of its Super-Trope.

By extension, any trope must be an example of all the Super Tropes that index it, and all the Super Tropes that index them, and so on.

Point: If Villains is not an Evil Trope or Morality Trope, then it doesn't belong on those indices.

Point: If The Dreaded is not an Evil Trope or a Morality Trope, then it doesn't belong on Villains. Likewise, if The Dreaded is not a Villain, then it doesn't belong on Villains.

I'm not arguing that it is an Evil or Morality or Villain trope. But if it's not, then it needs to be removed from those indices.

edited 14th Jul '15 5:16:31 PM by SolipSchism

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#4671: Jul 14th 2015 at 5:17:28 PM

It's a trope, yes, but just because a trope is on the Villains index doesn't mean that it is exclusively a villain trope.

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SolipSchism Since: Jun, 2014
#4672: Jul 14th 2015 at 5:27:06 PM

What I mean is that Villains is a trope. And since it's a trope, logically, it's also a Super-Trope to all those tropes it lists.

And since it is a Super-Trope to all those tropes it lists, then by the same logic that's been shown to me time and time again, all of those sub-tropes ought to be wholly encompassed as villains, otherwise the index is pointless.

If we really want to have an index of character tropes that "lend themselves" to villains or something like that, then the index should not be called "Villains", which is a clear, cut-and-dry name that plainly says "These tropes are all types of Villains."

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#4673: Jul 14th 2015 at 6:02:39 PM

Yes, a subtrope is always an example of the supertrope. A subtrope is a specific variant of the supertrope.

However, an index is not a supertrope to the tropes on the index. It doesn't preclude it from being a supertrope to a trope on the index, but it's not one by definition.

When I said Villains is an index and not a supertrope, I meant that that's what the page is. Villain as such is a trope (often mixed up with The Antagonist). However, the list of tropes on Villains are not subtropes to the trope Villain. They're tropes that fit on the index Villains. An Alpha Bitch or a Team Killer is not necessarily a villain, but can often be one. If they were subtropes, all examples on those tropes would be villains, which just isn't the case. Just as with The Dreaded. Many examples are villains, but not all.

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#4674: Jul 14th 2015 at 6:07:21 PM

Again—then we ought to have two Villain pages. One for the actual Villain trope and its subtropes, and one for "Villain Tropes".

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#4675: Jul 15th 2015 at 1:03:16 AM

For Freudian Excuse, could we remove the natter and flamebait?

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In order for a crowner to pass:

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  • There must be a 2:1 ratio
  • If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
  • Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP or LRLEO index
  • Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page

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