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Real Life section maintenance (including NRLEP and LRLEO) (New Crowner 9/20/25)

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Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the staff to add the trope via this thread.

This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.

Common problems include:

Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.

If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.

If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.

Before adding to the crowner:

  • The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
  • There must be support from others in thread.
  • Any objections should be addressed.
  • Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.

When adding to the crowner:

  • Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
  • Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
  • An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).

In order for a crowner to pass:

  • Must have been up for a minimum of a week
  • There must be a 2:1 ratio
  • If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
  • Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP or LRLEO index
  • Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page

Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need a crowner vote.

As per Real Life Troping, we never trope unscripted real life sports — so sports tropes where RL examples would only apply to those scenarios don't need a crowner vote.

Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.

After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.

NRLEP tag:

%% Trope was declared Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

LRLEO tag:

%% Trope was declared Administrivia/LimitedRealLifeExamplesOnly via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%The following restrictions apply: [list restriction(s) here]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

Notes:
  • This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
  • Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
  • As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
  • The [[noreallife]] tag no longer works. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. Per word of admin as of 2025, any replacement for this system will not use markup, so these tags can be removed.
  • If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the staff to add the trope via this thread.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 3rd 2025 at 6:31:00 AM

nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#4301: Mar 26th 2015 at 5:43:54 PM

I dunno, college student government is still normally pretty powerless.

Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#4302: Mar 26th 2015 at 6:10:42 PM

Not really. It varies hugely as a matter of course, from one college to another. They almost always have control over the disbursement of student fees to the various student organizations (and that can be tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars each year), and many have representatives on the governing board of the college itself.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#4304: Mar 26th 2015 at 8:54:55 PM

The real life ones seem to be about the belief or real life superpowers trough enlightement, which is a running legend. So I think it's fine.

edited 26th Mar '15 8:55:22 PM by Gaon

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#4305: Mar 26th 2015 at 10:51:51 PM

Bit of shoehorning and generics, though. It's still impossible in real life, though. It might fit under a Religion folder, but I'm doubtful about that.

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#4306: Mar 27th 2015 at 2:55:54 AM

Should I take Absurdly Powerful Student Council to the repairshop? The only college examples on the page are in film (Revenge Of The Nerds and Animal House) and real life.

edited 27th Mar '15 2:59:23 AM by Memers

Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
#4307: Mar 27th 2015 at 5:29:40 AM

Is Death Amnesia still under active discussion? If not, it qualifies for NRLEP, but since I'm not sure about the discussion I'll hold off on that for now.

Other than that, calling:

Waiting a bit to call Absurdly Powerful Student Council to keep, as I just now added the 10th vote.

edited 27th Mar '15 5:30:18 AM by Nohbody

All your safe space are belong to Trump
Ripsaw These are the voyages... from The Belt Since: Jan, 2001
These are the voyages...
#4308: Mar 27th 2015 at 5:34:27 AM

I'd say that Student Council is more a candidate for TRS. It needs better definition, since the media versions seem to be more Middle School/High School, while the RL versions are more weighted towards college. I'd argue that college students (despite the questionable decisions they're prone to making tongue) are at least notionally adults and therefore being in a position of authority over other adults doesn't fit the definition of "absurd".

Wow, that's longer than most posts I make here. TL;DR version:

  • I think the trope should apply to MS/HS, not college/university
  • I do not think it should be NRLEP
  • I think it needs to be taken to the repair shop.

Be careful what you wish for, 'cause you might just get it all...
crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
#4309: Mar 27th 2015 at 6:35:30 AM

[up][up] I was discussing it, but I don't think I made anyone change their minds. Consensus looks to favour setting it No Real Life Examples Please (13:3)

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#4310: Mar 27th 2015 at 4:42:13 PM

I'll grant the flamebait potential of jerk, but wouldn't Ducktorate be narrative? I [lol] at the thought of evil ducks.

[nja]The student council one should probably stay.

edited 28th Mar '15 4:44:22 PM by ACW

Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
#4311: Mar 29th 2015 at 3:49:38 PM

Calling Death Amnesia: Added 23rd Mar '15 at 09:23:46 AM, 4.33:1 (16)


Enlightenment Superpowers has 8 votes at present, but so far it looks like there's not a lot of enthusiasm for making it NRLEP. Unless the next few votes are all "yes", it will probably keep its RL examples
Absurdly Powerful Student Council, however, has cleared all the minimums, and doesn't look like that's going to significantly change, so calling that to keep RL examples.

All your safe space are belong to Trump
TropeLicious Since: Dec, 2012
#4312: Mar 29th 2015 at 5:32:40 PM

I think What An Idiot should allow Real Life Examples. Specifically sports fails and warfare fails (like the Battle of Isandlwana and Little Bighorn) that we can learn from to avoid mistakes.

Candi Sorcerer in training from Closer to rimward than hubward Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Sorcerer in training
#4313: Mar 29th 2015 at 7:09:07 PM

Those can be troped from books or movies they appear in, or put in a historical examples folder.

Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
#4314: Mar 29th 2015 at 7:22:22 PM

^^ The wiki isn't for life lessons or teaching moments. It's also not for invitations to arguing about what's "idiotic" or not, which is why it was made NRLEP in the first place.

edited 29th Mar '15 7:22:36 PM by Nohbody

All your safe space are belong to Trump
TropeLicious Since: Dec, 2012
#4315: Mar 29th 2015 at 9:13:44 PM

So what should we call the Historical equivalent to What An Idiot? "Historical Logic Failure"?

Terrie Since: Apr, 2011
#4316: Mar 30th 2015 at 4:37:55 AM

[up]Why would we call it anything? Seems like you're trying to find a loophole on the NRLEP issue.

In other news, Better the Devil You Know is a villain trope with a RL section.

crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
#4317: Mar 30th 2015 at 6:10:16 AM

Why would we call it anything? Seems like you're trying to find a loophole on the NRLEP issue.
That's ~Candi's fault, really, for suggesting it. "Historical Examples" belong in the "Real Life" medium, and if a page is NRLEP, then we are not allowed to put Real Life examples, even if they're from 10,000 years ago.

Fictional portrayals of historical events are allowed.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
TropeLicious Since: Dec, 2012
#4318: Mar 30th 2015 at 3:30:47 PM

[up]But we should change What An Idiot to allow some real life events outside of historical fiction.

edited 30th Mar '15 3:31:27 PM by TropeLicious

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SolipSchism Since: Jun, 2014
#4320: Mar 30th 2015 at 3:41:28 PM

[up] This.

What An Idiot is an Audience Reaction to a character doing something that seems unjustifiably stupid.

Applying it to real life situations is basically using it as an excuse to call someone an idiot. Which violates at least three TVT policies that I can think of without even trying.

Candi Sorcerer in training from Closer to rimward than hubward Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Sorcerer in training
#4321: Mar 30th 2015 at 3:52:38 PM

Ahhh, got it.

Note to self: Doublecheck assumptions when doped up on prescription cold and bronchitis meds.

edited 30th Mar '15 4:58:18 PM by Candi

Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#4322: Mar 31st 2015 at 2:55:22 AM

Even 10000 years ago could be flamebait? Alrighty then.
Is Better the Devil You Know really a villain trope?
BTW, why was Bread and Circuses made NRLEP again?

edited 31st Mar '15 2:55:56 AM by ACW

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Ripsaw These are the voyages... from The Belt Since: Jan, 2001
These are the voyages...
#4324: Mar 31st 2015 at 6:34:13 AM

Single-Target Sexuality isn't a sex trope, at least not directly and not as described. It's a "Gender and Sexuality" trope, which isn't the same thing.

I'd argue that the trope is more about romantic attachments than sex, TBH.

Be careful what you wish for, 'cause you might just get it all...
Ripsaw These are the voyages... from The Belt Since: Jan, 2001
These are the voyages...
#4325: Mar 31st 2015 at 6:37:53 AM

Also disagree with Forgot About His Powers - the RL examples listed don't seem to be blatant shoehorns, and it's been proven that unused skills "rust" with time.

[up][up][up] @ACW - I'm guessing Bread and Circuses was defined as Flame Bait, but I don't really know and don't feel like searching the backlog :)

Be careful what you wish for, 'cause you might just get it all...

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20th Sep '25 9:57:50 AM

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Vote UP to cut real life examples; vote DOWN to keep.

Anything marked DONE has been resolved.

In order for a crowner to pass:

  • Must have been up for a minimum of a week
  • There must be a 2:1 ratio
  • If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
  • Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP or LRLEO index
  • Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page

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