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Real Life section maintenance (including NRLEP and LRLEO) (New Crowner 9/20/25)

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Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the staff to add the trope via this thread.

This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.

Common problems include:

Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.

If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.

If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.

Before adding to the crowner:

  • The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
  • There must be support from others in thread.
  • Any objections should be addressed.
  • Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.

When adding to the crowner:

  • Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
  • Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
  • An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).

In order for a crowner to pass:

  • Must have been up for a minimum of a week
  • There must be a 2:1 ratio
  • If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
  • Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP or LRLEO index
  • Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page

Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need a crowner vote.

As per Real Life Troping, we never trope unscripted real life sports — so sports tropes where RL examples would only apply to those scenarios don't need a crowner vote.

Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.

After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.

NRLEP tag:

%% Trope was declared Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

LRLEO tag:

%% Trope was declared Administrivia/LimitedRealLifeExamplesOnly via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%The following restrictions apply: [list restriction(s) here]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

Notes:
  • This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
  • Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
  • As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
  • The [[noreallife]] tag no longer works. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. Per word of admin as of 2025, any replacement for this system will not use markup, so these tags can be removed.
  • If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the staff to add the trope via this thread.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 3rd 2025 at 6:31:00 AM

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#4226: Mar 18th 2015 at 11:15:11 AM

Yeah it seems like allowing Antagonist RL examples would just open the flood gates for some Opinion Myopia and the hatedoms to vent/flame on their the targets of their hate.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#4227: Mar 19th 2015 at 2:01:02 AM

Maybe replace antagonist with rival?

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#4228: Mar 19th 2015 at 2:08:06 AM

[up]A Rival has its own set of tropes of its own and so does The Underdog and others. A RL example would have to be in one of those but not for Tropes with a Protagonist or Antagonist requirement.

Though going with the debate that started this, I still maintain though that The Globetrotters vs The Generals is not a Real Life thing its a performance art type show that shouldn't be in the Real Life section.

Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
#4229: Mar 20th 2015 at 6:49:40 AM

So are there any more new comments on Team Rocket Wins? Because it's been holding at 2.4:1 for about a day now, I believe.

edited 20th Mar '15 6:51:32 AM by Nohbody

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#4230: Mar 20th 2015 at 6:59:01 AM

I've got nothing new to add.

desdendelle Hooded Crow from Land of Milk and Honey (Sergeant) Relationship Status: Hiding
SolipSchism Since: Jun, 2014
#4232: Mar 20th 2015 at 9:34:34 AM

I forgot to vote, but I've now added a Yes to it.

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#4233: Mar 20th 2015 at 12:26:51 PM

If you're talking about The Antagonist, you need a narrative. If you're just talking about someone who's acting in an antagonistic manner in relation to someone else, then you don't need a narrative, but you do need that comparison.

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TVRulezAgain Since: Sep, 2011
#4234: Mar 20th 2015 at 4:03:31 PM

We have a problem. People are trying to bypass NRLEP by adding real life examples to the quote pages.

I just removed a real life folder from the quote page for Even Evil Has Standards. I checked and several NRLEP tropes have real life folders on their quote pages.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#4235: Mar 20th 2015 at 4:05:07 PM

Which tropers are doing this?

Also, I suspect that happens because the flag has a far too narrow range. It only shows up on the trope edit page and doesn't propagate anywhere.

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HersheleOstropoler You gotta get yourself some marble columns from BK.NY.US Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Less than three
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
#4236: Mar 20th 2015 at 4:05:30 PM

I think those are relevant quotes from real-life sources, not real-life examples.

The child is father to the man —Oedipus
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#4237: Mar 20th 2015 at 4:07:58 PM

Yeah I believe it'd help if we saw the actual quotes you deleted.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
TVRulezAgain Since: Sep, 2011
#4238: Mar 20th 2015 at 4:16:13 PM

Well, Even Evil Has Standards included:

->The Ku Klux Klan, LLC. has not or EVER will have ANY connection with The "Westboro Baptist Church." We absolutely repudiate their tactics. —>— Press release from the Ku Klux Klan's website, circa September 2003

A few months ago this was on Dumb Blonde:

->“I get to go to overseas places, like Canada. —>—Britney Spears

And Affably Evil has these:

->The Master said, "Fine words and an insinuating appearance are seldom associated with virtue." —>— Confucius

->When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite. —>— Winston Churchill

->I have to say, that I quite liked the man. I am ashamed to say such a thing. But had I not been able to see what was happening outside the window I would have said he was very civilised. Odd, isn't it? —>— Carl Giles on Josef Kramer, commandant of the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp

edited 20th Mar '15 4:16:46 PM by TVRulezAgain

Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#4239: Mar 20th 2015 at 4:29:57 PM

I don't see those or the others from Even Evil Has Standards as being an attempt to end-run the NRLEP limitations, the way they are intended. For instance, the KKK is fully aware that to many people, they are an evil organization.

edited 20th Mar '15 4:31:40 PM by Madrugada

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#4240: Mar 20th 2015 at 4:32:27 PM

The Confucius and Churchill are probably okay (although the latter is a little much broader than the trope). Basically general statements about the trope. The others are basically saying that the people are examples of the tropes, or implying as much. I'd say those are deletable.

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#4241: Mar 20th 2015 at 5:55:16 PM

I seem as fine quotes that could be kept. But the first one was debatable, Churchill and Confucius are 100% fine.

edited 20th Mar '15 5:55:57 PM by Gaon

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Adept (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#4242: Mar 21st 2015 at 5:37:00 AM

The Confucius and Churchill quotes are merely discussing the trope and is not ousting any specific groups or individuals as either evil/dumb, so I'm okay with keeping those. The other three quotes? Not so.

[up][up][up]Well, perhaps not with the KKK, but that quote rather clearly paints the Westboro Baptist Church, which is also a RL organization, a "darker shade of black" than the former, and therefore evil.

edited 22nd Mar '15 5:27:34 AM by Adept

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#4243: Mar 22nd 2015 at 5:26:47 AM

OK, so this wiki forbids the labelling of RL people as "evil". Does it share the same view on "Jerkass" labels? Because that seems to be what's happening in the RL section of We Want Our Jerk Back! (of the entries that aren't obvious shoehorning anyway).

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#4244: Mar 22nd 2015 at 8:12:39 AM

As usual, shoehorns and generics (removed). But other than that, yes, we don't call real people jerks. I would make exceptions for when they call themselves jerks, but in these cases it's about two people, and both of them don't call themselves jerks.

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Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
#4245: Mar 22nd 2015 at 12:10:24 PM

"Jerks" falls under the flame bait category, as one person's "jerk" is another's "righteous person".


Team Rocket Wins has been holding steady at 2.8:1 for the past few days, so calling it. Added 13th Mar '15 at 10:07:52 AM, 19 total votes.

Now, of course, comes the fun bit: what category of NRLEP to apply. It was initially added to the crowner as a villain trope, but later discussion brought up the issue whether or not there are antagonists in real life.

I may have just missed it, but I don't think there was a definitive decision as to which applies. So which folder on NRLEP should it be listed under?

Once that's straightened out, I'll holler to hook Crowner 30 to this thread, as TRW was the last pending issue.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#4247: Mar 22nd 2015 at 10:28:56 PM

[up][up] The lone RL example is misplaced for that trope, it should probably be in an 'other' folder. It's a show.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#4248: Mar 23rd 2015 at 2:26:38 AM

"'Jerks' falls under the flame bait category, as one person's 'jerk' is another's 'righteous person'."
Don't think I've heard THAT ONE before [lol]

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#4249: Mar 23rd 2015 at 3:27:10 AM

[up] More like everyone has different opinions of what a 'jerk' is in real life, in fiction the tone is quite clearly portrayed and those that are ambiguous we can state that.

Adept (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#4250: Mar 23rd 2015 at 5:21:00 AM

So do I add the option to this crowner, or do I wait for a new one? This one looks kinda crowded already.

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20th Sep '25 9:57:50 AM

Crown Description:

Vote UP to cut real life examples; vote DOWN to keep.

Anything marked DONE has been resolved.

In order for a crowner to pass:

  • Must have been up for a minimum of a week
  • There must be a 2:1 ratio
  • If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
  • Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP or LRLEO index
  • Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page

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