Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
- Squicky content
- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
Before adding to the crowner:
- The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
- There must be support from others in thread.
- Any objections should be addressed.
- Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.
When adding to the crowner:
- Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
- Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
In order for a crowner to pass:
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- There must be a 2:1 ratio
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
- Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP index
- Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page
Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need a crowner vote.
As per Real Life Troping, we never trope unscripted real life sports — so sports tropes where RL examples would only apply to those scenarios don't need a crowner vote.
Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.
After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.
NRLEP tag:
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LRLEO tag:
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Notes:
- This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by Mrph1 on May 13th 2024 at 9:30:24 AM
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
This thread isn't working, mods, maybe should just be shut down. It's supposed to be a process to develop consensus on RL folders, but if we're not going to bother to establish consensus, I don't see why we should waste time going through the motions.
edited 21st Sep '14 8:46:40 AM by HersheleOstropoler
The child is father to the man —Oedipus
Zzzzzzzzzz
Bad examples (whether shoehorned, generic, or ZCE) do not need consensus to be removed. That's basic wiki maintenance.
The purpose of this thread isn't to evaluate individual examples, it's to determine whether to put the NRLEP tag on the page and ban any Real Life examples at all. In that light I fail to see how it "isn't working"
edited 21st Sep '14 9:20:00 AM by Madrugada
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
If the purpose of this thread isn't to evaluate the RL sections of pages, what is it for?
The child is father to the man —Oedipus
She just told you. It's to determine whether to put the NRLEP tag on the page and ban any Real Life examples at all.
No, the other one.
And evaluating the RL sections of pages is one method we use to reach a conclusion. It's a means, not an end.
Check out my fanfiction!
"In distress", my ass.
Calling Condescending Compassion: 19th Sep '14 at 04:37:17 PM, 11:1 (12)
All your safe space are belong to Trump
Am I a weirdo?
I know we're sort of between crowners right now, and I'll add this to the new crowner when it's made, but I thought I should mention this right now in case I forget. In my opinion, Internet Counterattack should be limited to in-universe examples only. In its present state, I think the page technically violates our rules on importing drama, and it's really tangential to the mission of the wiki anyway.
Bigotry will NEVER be welcome on TV Tropes.
That looks like an idea, but for the Trope Repair Shop.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Am I a weirdo?
I suppose I'll bring it up there then.
Bigotry will NEVER be welcome on TV Tropes.
At this rate, we just might deadlock on N-Word Privileges. Shall I get the cleanup thread ready in the meantime?
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Don't NRLEP N-word privileges, but keep an eye on it.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
ACW, which examples would you keep? As the person who nominated it, I obviously feel it needs to go. The vast majority of the examples are crappy examples, full of natter, shoehorning and other nonsense. Looking at the other sections, this seems to be an issue specifically with the RL section, NOT the trope.
"In distress", my ass.
As N-Word Privileges hasn't moved much (it was 1.67:1, now 1.57:1 as of this post) over the past roughly two days and doesn't clear the 2:1 ratio, I think we can count it as keep the RL examples, and swap in the new crowner I made up here.
edited 23rd Sep '14 5:44:48 AM by Nohbody
All your safe space are belong to Trump
Zzzzzzzzzz
Crowner swapped, thread title amended to reflect that.
What items do we have already for it?
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Just wondering, what's the typical percentage of NRLEP'd tropes in any given crowner?
edited 23rd Sep '14 4:44:29 PM by ryanasaurus0077
It varies, but it's generally most of them. Things generally get brought up in discussion first is and if the overall response is "I'm not seeing an issue" it probably won't make it to the crowner.
"In distress", my ass.
In general it's come down some since early in this project, but as Terrie mentions it varies.
This is pure speculation on my part, but I think that it's come down is at least in part due to getting a better handle on potential problem children as experience accumulates.
I could, of course, just be talking out my ass, too. 
Sorcerer in training
Certain tropes being NRLEP right out of YKTTW probably helps, too. Cuts down on the ones that need issues addressed eventually.
I've noticed there's a lot more debate on how to handle RL sections later on in the thread. A chunk of the early ones were 'get out the flamethrowers', while later ones are 'cut or prune'.
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Oh come on, you can't tell me all the Comedic Sociopathy ones are generic. And I'm not sure all the Ghetto Name ones are natter (and then what about Preppy Name?).
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
"In distress", my ass.
^ Check the article history for Comedic Sociopathy. The entire folder was explicitty generic examples.
As for Ghetto Name and Preppy Name, for starters the latter hasn't attracted any RL examples so it's not an immediate concern. As for the former, a section doesn't need to be nothing but Natter for it to be considered nattery, and even if it did the derogatory comments certainly aren't giving much of a reason to look kindly on the section, even before remembering that RL sections in general only exist on sufferance.
All your safe space are belong to Trump
Nor did I ever say that ALL the entries were natter. "The real life section attracts natter at a disproportionate rate such that we would be better off cutting the whole thing rather than attempting to clean it up and maintain it" is overly wordy for the crowner.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Preppy Name does have Real Life examples.
Sorcerer in training
I see them. The section is alphabetized instead of at the end. (Chrome, Ctrl+F, search "life".)
I'm not awake enough at the moment to evaluate their quality.
Edit: As proof of lack of caffeine, used they're instead of their.
edited 24th Sep '14 6:08:15 AM by Candi
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Crown Description:
Vote up to either forbid all real life examples (No Real Life Examples Please) or forbid real life examples for specific subjects (Limited Real Life Examples Only); vote down to Keep Real Life Examples. To add a trope to a No Real Life Examples Please index or the Limited Real Life Examples Only index, its crowner option must meet the following criteria:- Stable 2:1 ratio needed for NRLEP or LRLEO
- The item have been on the crowne for a minimum of a week
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple of extra days to see if more votes come in.
An example that talks about a whole genre or medium rather than a specific work. As How to Write an Example notes, these don't belong in an example list; if anywhere they can be mentioned in the trope description.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman