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Real Life section maintenance (including NRLEP and LRLEO) (New Crowner 9/20/25)

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Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the staff to add the trope via this thread.

This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.

Common problems include:

Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.

If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.

If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.

Before adding to the crowner:

  • The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
  • There must be support from others in thread.
  • Any objections should be addressed.
  • Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.

When adding to the crowner:

  • Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
  • Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
  • An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).

In order for a crowner to pass:

  • Must have been up for a minimum of a week
  • There must be a 2:1 ratio
  • If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
  • Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP or LRLEO index
  • Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page

Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need a crowner vote.

As per Real Life Troping, we never trope unscripted real life sports — so sports tropes where RL examples would only apply to those scenarios don't need a crowner vote.

Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.

After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.

NRLEP tag:

%% Trope was declared Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

LRLEO tag:

%% Trope was declared Administrivia/LimitedRealLifeExamplesOnly via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%The following restrictions apply: [list restriction(s) here]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

Notes:
  • This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
  • Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
  • As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
  • The [[noreallife]] tag no longer works. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. Per word of admin as of 2025, any replacement for this system will not use markup, so these tags can be removed.
  • If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the staff to add the trope via this thread.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 3rd 2025 at 6:31:00 AM

SWFMax Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#3151: Aug 28th 2014 at 12:09:29 PM

Passed in Their Sleep was recently launched, and it doesn't allow real life examples. Can a mod add it to the No Real Life Examples Please page?

Terrie Since: Apr, 2011
#3153: Aug 31st 2014 at 7:16:44 AM

Should Town with a Dark Secret fall under the villains/evil rule, considering one of its redirects is "Small Towns Are Evil"?

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#3154: Aug 31st 2014 at 7:28:10 AM

Not quite sure about judging a trope based on a redirect. However, most of the examples were shoehorns, speculations, or generic examples, so I cleaned those. Something like CIA having a secret base somewhere isn't the trope, since that's a secret for the CIA, not for the town, as presumably people not involved with the CIA aren't in the know, whether they live in the town or not. I also moved one example to Literature.

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#3155: Aug 31st 2014 at 11:30:54 AM

[up][up] I think that everybody in the town having the same secret and working in concert to conceal it, as per the description, is highly improbable IRL. Watching the page for shoehorning and similar things might be a good idea.

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#3156: Aug 31st 2014 at 10:46:44 PM

Does Befriending the Enemy really require a villain? Two people can be on opposite sides of an issue, or even of most issues, and be friends, with neither being a villain.

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#3157: Sep 1st 2014 at 5:09:26 AM

As it's written, yes, it requires a villain or antagonist. I'm not sure that's strictly necessary for what the trope means and how it's used, but that would probably be a TRS issue to redefine it.

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Terrie Since: Apr, 2011
#3158: Sep 1st 2014 at 11:40:12 AM

General question: If we're NRLE Ping evil/villain tropes on the grounds of not making moral judgments about real people, what about hero tropes? Not saying we should or should not go either way, just wondering what other people think.

Candi Sorcerer in training from Closer to rimward than hubward Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
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#3159: Sep 1st 2014 at 7:06:58 PM

Usually people take positive comments a lot better than negative ones. tongue

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#3160: Sep 1st 2014 at 7:42:27 PM

Also, "being a hero" isn't always about fighting an evil person. It's also about helping people and saving their lives. If I rescue a little girl who is trapped in a burning house, I'll be called a hero.

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#3161: Sep 1st 2014 at 7:44:16 PM

It's on a case-by-case basis. I think we do have some villain-like tropes with real life examples, such as relating to criminals. But due to the above-mentioned greater acceptance of positive things, people have it easier to consider the details of it without immediately finding it offensive, so it's much easier to do such things for hero tropes. If that makes any sense at all.

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Terrie Since: Apr, 2011
#3162: Sep 2nd 2014 at 4:20:25 AM

Kinda what I figured, but I wanted to throw it out there as I've been doing some RL cleanup on some hero-related tropes (the ever present natter and generalizations pretending to be examples), and it struck me that some of the designated "heros" have the potential to be controversial depending on which side of an issue a person falls on.

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#3163: Sep 2nd 2014 at 4:55:30 AM

A large part of it falls under Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgment. Probably the primary reason for the policy in the first place, I'd guess.

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#3164: Sep 2nd 2014 at 1:18:19 PM

Should Implausible Deniability keep it's real life section?

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captainmarkle Limited Patients from Behind you Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#3165: Sep 2nd 2014 at 2:22:27 PM

I'm here for the same reasons as Ultimatum. I raised an issue with the specific example of the woman hitting the migrants and then denying it instantly afterwards, although that was mainly because it was badly worded. A user called DracMonster sent me here from Ask the Tropers.

For the trope itself being RL or NRLEP, I'm on the fence.

edited 2nd Sep '14 2:24:15 PM by captainmarkle

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DracMonster Since: Jan, 2001
#3166: Sep 2nd 2014 at 3:21:18 PM

You gots to add it for us to vote on it. :) (At the bottom hidden by the "show/hide options" button.)

Anyway, I went ahead and put it up, so cast your vote. I'm in favor of cutting it as there's some things on there about Real Life people (like sexual orientation) that really isn't appropriate.

edited 2nd Sep '14 3:24:16 PM by DracMonster

captainmarkle Limited Patients from Behind you Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#3167: Sep 2nd 2014 at 3:33:30 PM

I'm not in favour of the examples about sexual orientation. However, the parts of the article that deal with psychopaths and their habit of Implausible Deniability, plus one or two examples such as the woman hitting a migrant and then having the gall to deny she hit him in the exact same breath, are motivating me to vote no.

Thanks for the hint for next time, all the same. grin

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Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#3168: Sep 2nd 2014 at 4:04:56 PM

I don't see a reason to make it NRLEP completely. The section does need to be cleaned u, though, and kept an eye on to see if bad examples and complaining examples are added back in.

Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
#3169: Sep 2nd 2014 at 8:08:05 PM

It may be that I need sleep (I do, but that's beside the point tongue ), but if Implausible Deniability is already In-Universe Examples Only, isn't NRLEP redundant?

Or am I getting tripped up by my shoddy memory again?

(And yeah, back.)

edited 2nd Sep '14 8:08:34 PM by Nohbody

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#3170: Sep 2nd 2014 at 8:09:31 PM

Implausible Deniability is on the In-Universe Examples Only index, so I think NRLEP is redundant.

edited 2nd Sep '14 8:10:04 PM by VeryMelon

Terrie Since: Apr, 2011
#3171: Sep 3rd 2014 at 3:53:39 AM

If not NRLEP, it needs a massive cleanup to remove the generalizations pretending to be examples.

captainmarkle Limited Patients from Behind you Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#3172: Sep 3rd 2014 at 4:00:01 AM

I'm definitely in favour of a cleanup, possibly even splitting it into its own subpage and locking it, but that might be for elsewhere.

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Acebrock He/Him from So-Cal Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: My elf kissing days are over
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#3173: Sep 3rd 2014 at 6:12:53 PM

Since I don't see any mention here, I'd just like to note that Sunflower put Bury Your Gays on the crowner (which I'm kinda for making NRLEP, I admit), and, immediately afterwards, added No Real Life Example Please to the page, while deleting the real life section. I think the edits to that page are somewhat premature.

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nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#3174: Sep 3rd 2014 at 6:17:46 PM

Yeah, that's not good. I'm all for NRLEPing Bury Your Gays (troublesome and probably impossible), but you don't add something onto a crowner and then act without waiting to see the results.

Candi Sorcerer in training from Closer to rimward than hubward Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
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#3175: Sep 3rd 2014 at 7:00:17 PM

I don't think anyone's ever been suspended just for jumping the NRLEP gun, but it has brought a 'don't do that till the votes are in' tap from the mods and their apprentice wizard.

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Crown Description:

Vote UP to cut real life examples; vote DOWN to keep.

Anything marked DONE has been resolved.

In order for a crowner to pass:

  • Must have been up for a minimum of a week
  • There must be a 2:1 ratio
  • If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
  • Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP or LRLEO index
  • Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page

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