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Real Life section maintenance (including NRLEP and LRLEO) (New Crowner 9/20/25)

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Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the staff to add the trope via this thread.

This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.

Common problems include:

Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.

If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.

If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.

Before adding to the crowner:

  • The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
  • There must be support from others in thread.
  • Any objections should be addressed.
  • Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.

When adding to the crowner:

  • Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
  • Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
  • An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).

In order for a crowner to pass:

  • Must have been up for a minimum of a week
  • There must be a 2:1 ratio
  • If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
  • Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP or LRLEO index
  • Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page

Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need a crowner vote.

As per Real Life Troping, we never trope unscripted real life sports — so sports tropes where RL examples would only apply to those scenarios don't need a crowner vote.

Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.

After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.

NRLEP tag:

%% Trope was declared Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

LRLEO tag:

%% Trope was declared Administrivia/LimitedRealLifeExamplesOnly via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%The following restrictions apply: [list restriction(s) here]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

Notes:
  • This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
  • Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
  • As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
  • The [[noreallife]] tag no longer works. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. Per word of admin as of 2025, any replacement for this system will not use markup, so these tags can be removed.
  • If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the staff to add the trope via this thread.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 3rd 2025 at 6:31:00 AM

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#3001: Jul 23rd 2014 at 3:37:51 AM

The examples are just "eyes of a colour". Given the misuse patterns for such tropes, I've added that to the crowner.

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#3002: Jul 23rd 2014 at 6:30:34 AM

Yeah, Kaleidoscope Eyes doesn't really exist in Real Life. The closest is probably the jaundice example, since that at least reflects a change in the person, in this case being sick. But it's not a character trait.

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#3004: Jul 23rd 2014 at 12:35:32 PM

Eyes can change color roughly to match emotions if they have a different tone close to the pupil than at the rim, causing the iris to appear a different color depending on how dilated the eyes are, something that can be triggered by emotions.

Every other eye color changing phenomenon has nothing to do with the trope, and that example is stretching it more than a touch.

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#3005: Jul 23rd 2014 at 6:46:17 PM

My son's eyes shift color according to emotion, and I wouldn't consider that fitting that trope's description and use in fiction.

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m8e from Sweden Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
#3006: Jul 24th 2014 at 9:21:38 AM

I don't really see the need to make Kaleidoscope Eyes NRLE, if no real life examples exist any examples can be removed due to not being examples, if real life examples exist the tag is just wrong.

For example arctic reindeer change their eye color depending on season (winter/summer). There might be some animal out there that change the color according to mood, or during the mating season when they are horny or whatever.

So I 'vote' remove all the current real life examples due to not being examples, but skip the tag.

There is a difference between don't exist and can't exist.

[up][up]That might actually be close enough for an example if we can find an actual example happen(ie a real life person or something) instead of a general example of "this could happen in this case".

edited 24th Jul '14 9:39:49 AM by m8e

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#3007: Jul 24th 2014 at 9:26:17 AM

There might be some animal out there that change the color according to mood, or during the mating season when they are horny or whatever.

Evidence, please.

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#3008: Jul 24th 2014 at 9:28:39 AM

There wouldn't seem to be a reason to ban RL examples from that trope, but all examples that don't fit should be removed. If that means a de facto NRLEP, so be it.

edited 24th Jul '14 9:28:46 AM by Fighteer

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m8e from Sweden Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
#3009: Jul 24th 2014 at 9:37:21 AM

[up][up]Well, I think it the other way around. If examples are banned because they don't exist they have to be proven to not exist instead of 7(?) people just assume that they don't.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#3010: Jul 24th 2014 at 9:40:31 AM

We've got enough problems with all the appearance tropes (including that one) being misused for mere appearances that I am not inclined to leave a Real Life section standing until I see evidence that non-misused entries exist.

Also, as a far-reading biology student I am not aware of anything like that happening.

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#3011: Jul 24th 2014 at 10:57:28 AM

The reasoning for a NRLEP seems too nipticky, if you ask me.

135 -> 180 -> 273 -> 191 -> 188 -> 230 -> 300 -> 311
rexpensive Since: Feb, 2014
#3012: Jul 25th 2014 at 8:47:28 AM

3006: I agree, we should purge the examples that exist now for not being examples/ being too general, but leave it open in case someone comes up with a specific and valid example somehow.

Terrie Since: Apr, 2011
#3013: Jul 25th 2014 at 4:47:24 PM

If it were just a couple examples, I'd say clean up and leave it, but given the high number of bad examples, I say NRLEP it. If a real example existed, it would be there by now.

HersheleOstropoler You gotta get yourself some marble columns from BK.NY.US Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Less than three
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
#3014: Aug 3rd 2014 at 6:52:08 PM

In general, if no real-life examples exist, I'm disinclined to fix something that isn't broken ... but if no real-life examples exist and yet someone adds purported real-life examples, that's broken.

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#3015: Aug 3rd 2014 at 10:34:39 PM

Not necessarily an NRLEP issue, but am I the only one seeing problems with how large the RL section of Sacred Hospitality is?

(And I'm not even getting into the wiki formatting issues like Example Indentation, which isn't addressed by this thread.)

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#3016: Aug 3rd 2014 at 11:39:15 PM

It's only the third largest section on the page. Are the examples bad?

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Terrie Since: Apr, 2011
#3017: Aug 4th 2014 at 5:00:18 AM

Seem like Cloud Cuckoolander and its related tropes ought to be NRLEP. Speculating and gossiping about real people's mental health doesn't seem like good practice.

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#3018: Aug 4th 2014 at 5:26:08 AM

It's not about mental health. It's about being particularly quirky.

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You gotta get yourself some marble columns
#3019: Aug 4th 2014 at 8:14:00 AM

3015/3016: Looks good to me, aside from the indentation issue.

3018: Agreed, the trope is about the behavior, which is documented in most of the RL examples where that is feasible, not about the reasons behind it.

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Terrie Since: Apr, 2011
#3020: Aug 4th 2014 at 3:30:08 PM

In that case, the description should be changed, since it compares the behavior to that of Schizotypal personality disorder and thought disorders.

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#3021: Aug 4th 2014 at 5:26:59 PM

I think the description rambles on too much. It's not that complicated of a trope. It also says that "When they are given a specific disorder..." which implies it's not something that always happens, or is necessarily true for all cases.

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#3022: Aug 5th 2014 at 11:42:44 AM

I think Too Spicy for Yog-Sothoth ought to be NRLEP. As far as we know, there are no real monsters or Eldritch Abominations, so the trope can't have examples IRL. All the current RL examples look like they would fit better under Everyone Has Standards or O.O.C. Is Serious Business.

edited 5th Aug '14 11:50:09 AM by ading

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#3023: Aug 5th 2014 at 11:44:39 AM

Most of the examples are not about monsters anyhow or even eating.

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ading Since: Jan, 2011
#3024: Aug 5th 2014 at 11:46:56 AM

^Are you referring specifically to the RL section or the page as a whole?

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#3025: Aug 5th 2014 at 11:47:38 AM

RL section. I didn't elaborate because I was doing something else as well.

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20th Sep '25 9:57:50 AM

Crown Description:

Vote UP to cut real life examples; vote DOWN to keep.

Anything marked DONE has been resolved.

In order for a crowner to pass:

  • Must have been up for a minimum of a week
  • There must be a 2:1 ratio
  • If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
  • Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP or LRLEO index
  • Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page

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