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Octo Prince of Dorne from Germany Since: Mar, 2011
Prince of Dorne
#326: Apr 24th 2012 at 8:09:59 PM

Yeah on that I agree with you. And that Breivik and people like him are human is what makes such crimes even more terrible. A real beast can't help itself but to act like a beast, but a human can be anything, can act anyway. Not always of course; sometimes there are psychological traumata and other damages. But it appears Breivik doesn't even have those!

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#328: Apr 24th 2012 at 8:29:27 PM

The point is that legal systems are not built for exception. You need to treat Breivik exactly the same, at least in procedure, as the guys who shoplift or serious injure someone in a barfight that went too far. Introducing exceptionalism is asking for arbitrary decisions and a subversion of civil rights and democracy down the road.

Yes it blows and yes it does give him a platform to spew his hate. But the alternative simply isn't worth the price.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Michael So that's what this does Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
So that's what this does
#330: Apr 25th 2012 at 3:01:31 AM

The point of these trials is people often confess in the hope that their confessions will be taken as 100% true later on and so they include false statements that they want people to believe. It's necessary to test which parts of his confession are true.

RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
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#331: Apr 25th 2012 at 3:38:59 AM

LJ and RI have got this. Sooner or later someone would have to make the decision as to who falls outside of the human box, and then it would all go horribly wrong.

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#332: Apr 25th 2012 at 4:32:02 AM

Yeah: either you treat everybody equally under the law, or you open a tin of venomous, eldritch worms.

LE0Night Since: Jul, 2011
#333: Apr 25th 2012 at 9:14:49 AM

He remains adamant on the Knights Templar, that it is an actual network and that he has described six actual people to the court, two of which still reside in Norway who are "going to commit new attacks of terror". Claims that the police know these people exist but won't admit this, as they "have failed to capture them and this would cause panic". Actual quote: "I'd hate to be the police spokesman when the next attacks occur".

edited 25th Apr '12 9:18:57 AM by LE0Night

TamH70 Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#334: Apr 25th 2012 at 9:26:39 AM

[up]Oh? In that case, he better watch his back. If such an organization does exist outside of his skull, I don't think that they will take too kindly to him blabbing on about them and naming names. It may end up terminal for him.

Natasel Since: Nov, 2010
#335: Apr 25th 2012 at 9:27:07 AM

  • If this is true, and the attacks happen, the Police look like fools.

  • If this is a lie and the attacks never happen, the Police look like fools.

Best case: Even if this is true but the attacks never happen because his big mouth tipped off the Police, then he looks like a (bigger) fool.

Qeise Professional Smartass from sqrt(-inf)/0 Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Waiting for you *wink*
Professional Smartass
#336: Apr 25th 2012 at 10:38:57 AM

That wouldn't be "best case" - it would mean his nuttiness is more widespread than a single person. Anyhow, I'm confident it's just an attempt to cause panic and paranoia. If it were really true he'd stay quiet about it so that his assosiates could cause as much damage as possible.

Laws are made to be broken. You're next, thermodynamics.
LE0Night Since: Jul, 2011
#337: Apr 26th 2012 at 3:48:40 AM

20/04: Anders Behring Breivik deride children’s song Children of the Rainbow as a "blatant example of Marxist propaganda and indoctrination in the Norwegian public school system".

26/04: 40.000+ people gather in front of the courthouse where his case is currently treated, even more in every single major Norwegian city.

Guess what they’re all singing?

Michael So that's what this does Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
So that's what this does
#338: Apr 26th 2012 at 4:48:01 AM

I don't suppose we know when Children of the Rainbow was written? It would just be perfect if it were older than Marx.

LE0Night Since: Jul, 2011
#339: Apr 26th 2012 at 4:49:50 AM

Seeing as the writer of said song was up front and center during the whole event, I'd wager it's younger.

Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#340: Apr 26th 2012 at 4:55:07 AM

Heh. Trolling the shit out of that guy, I see. Just the way I like it. Leave actual justice to professionals, but don't feel restricted when it comes to giving the guy a tasteful 'Fuck you!'

RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#342: Apr 26th 2012 at 12:18:06 PM

And, this one is up there in the top ten of tasteful stakes. Love it! Anybody want to bet it was taking up inside by others, as well? (Even if they were just humming it quietly, or face the judgement of court.) evil grin

[awesome] For Norwegians!

edited 26th Apr '12 12:19:37 PM by Euodiachloris

l3wt from Land of Hills and Fjords Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
#343: Apr 26th 2012 at 12:26:43 PM

Heheheh. Now that's a nice and classy fuck you if I ever heard one.

When in deadly danger, When beset by doubt, Run in little circles, Wave your arms and shout.
LE0Night Since: Jul, 2011
#344: Aug 24th 2012 at 12:32:21 AM

So the verdict is up in 30 minutes.

edit: aaand the court is unanimous in declaring him sane.

edited 24th Aug '12 1:09:52 AM by LE0Night

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#345: Aug 24th 2012 at 1:11:26 AM

[up]

The Telegraph has live coverage has live connection of the event, if anyone is interested.

EDIT: Oh god they brought up World of Warcraft.

edited 24th Aug '12 1:22:03 AM by DeviantBraeburn

Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016
DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#346: Aug 24th 2012 at 1:22:09 AM

THEY RULED HIM SANE AND ONLY GAVE HIM 21 YEARS!

Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016
LE0Night Since: Jul, 2011
#347: Aug 24th 2012 at 1:29:26 AM

Once again, he's not going to be in jail for just 21 years; when that sentence is up it will be prolonged indefinitely as long as he's still deemed a threat to the general public, i.e. forever.

edited 24th Aug '12 1:32:14 AM by LE0Night

Carciofus Is that cake frosting? from Alpha Tucanae I Since: May, 2010
Is that cake frosting?
#348: Aug 24th 2012 at 1:33:31 AM

Or he's going to repent, cease being a danger, be released (and kept under surveillance, obviously, and banned forever from owning anything even remotely weapon-like — mercy is not the same as stupidity, after all), and gradually fade into anonymity.

Hey, stranger things have happened. And a person can change quite a lot in 21 years.

But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas.
LE0Night Since: Jul, 2011
#349: Aug 24th 2012 at 2:01:17 AM

I'm just glad it's over so the papers will finally cease to cover this from every freaking angle they can wring out of it (the coverage of victims testimonies were fucking Nightmare Fuel Unleaded).

RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
scratching at .8, just hopin'
#350: Aug 24th 2012 at 6:25:42 AM

I wanna see the country that's waiting for him in 21 years. Bet it'll blow his mind.

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.

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